• D-Rank Hench, E-Rank Stats, Gotten by C-Rank MN, 1/4 Companion Slot
  
• C-Rank Hench, D-Rank Stats, Gotten by B-Rank MN, 1/2 Companion Slot
  
• B-Rank Hench, C-Rank Stats, Gotten by A-Rank MN, 1 Companion Slot
  
• A-Rank Hench, B-Rank Stats, Gotten by S-Rank MN, 2 Companion Slots

• E-Rank Hench, E-Rank Stats, Gotten by D-Rank MN, 1/4 Companion Slot
  
• D-Rank Hench, D-Rank Stats, Gotten by C-Rank MN, 1/2 Companion Slot
  
• C-Rank Hench, C-Rank Stats, Gotten by B-Rank MN, 1 Companion Slots
  
• B-Rank Hench, B-Rank Stats, Gotten by A-Rank MN, 2 Companion Slots
  
• A-Rank Hench, A-Rank Stats, Gotten by S-Rank MN, 4 Companion Slots

• Get a Ninja pal to walk around with you
  
• Don't cost chakra
  
• Can have bloodlines/abilities

• Henchmen are, in essence, two ranks lower than you
  
• Have less abilities than a normal character
  
• Start out with less jutsu (Sort of a Con because now you have to work for more, but not a big deal)
  
• Lower stats than a character of their rank (Links to first)
  
• Must be rank lower than your character (Links to first)
  
• Only get one element

• Get a Ninja pal to walk around with you
  
• Don't cost chakra
  
• Can have bloodlines/abilities
  
• D-Ranks can now get a henchman
  
• Your henchmen are now only one rank lower than you, much like pets
  
• Henchmen now make sense, their stats equaling their rank
  
• A-Rank Stated Henchmen now exist
  
• S-Rank Henchmen, which would have had A-Ranked stats under the previous system, don't exist and there is no way for Henches to train infinitely

• Henchmen must be a lower rank than you
  
• Have less abilities than a normal character
  
• Start out with less jutsu (Sort of a Con because now you have to work for more, but not a big deal)
  
• Only get one element
  
• Stats can be trained to a lower maximum (C-Rank Stats on a B-Rank Hench still allowed for training to a B-Rank Maximum. With C-Rank Stats on a C-Rank Hench, the maximum is now that of a C-Rank.)
  
• Rank titled shinobi now cost more (Though an E-Rank Stated Hench is now an E-Rank Hench, a D-Rank named Hench now costs 1/2 a companion slot instead of a previous 1/4)

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Currently every Hench has the stats of a rank lower than it, doesn't make sense really, and if we added an S-Rank Hench it would have A-Rank stats.

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Second of all, even if it has A-Rank stats, an S-Rank Shinobi/Hench, by definition, would be able to stat train infinite times, meaning you could end up with a Hench having 15 in everything if you put a lot of effort into it.

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So, here is my proposal. Why not kill a few birds with a single stone, first of all, drop the ranks on all our current henchmen, instead of having a D-Rank henchman with E-Rank stats, make it an E-Rank henchman with E-Rank stats, same with C with D, B with C, A with B, and so on and so forth.

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Next, add an A-Rank Henchman with A-Rank stats, this brings in that "S-Rank" Hench that everyone wanted, but instead of being an S-Rank where it doesn't make sense for it to be a henchman, and instead of having a henchman able to have infinite stat trainings, you now have an A-Rank Henchman for S-Ranks to use as they wish.

Xanatos

Nov 23 2011, 03:26 AM

Also already explained. But let me go in depth a little. If we were to have a henchmen that had A-rank stats, they'd essentially be a jounin right? Jounin, by definition are elite ninja. They are the best, sans bannin (who are legendary), extraodinary ninja with something that sets them apart from the norm. Why then, would a ninja like that be following someone else?

Characteristically, it doesn't make sense. Henchmen, by definition, are weaker, un-trained shinobi working under the protection of a stronger ninja for the benefit of said ninja. This is why henchmen get less jutsu at start up, less ability slots, less affinities, etc. Henchmen ARE NOT exemplary ninja. They are below average, untrained, shitty ass shinobi that need protection. By putting them on par with jounin, you are getting rid of that.

We do not want people running about with an S-rank, and a jounin under their command. Imagine two S-rank twin mn. With 2 A-rank henchmen. By engaging in a battle with that person, you're automatically on an S-rank mission....against one person...with characters that could be close to their rawest form.

Keep in mind that the point of the henchmen system is to start a legacy, NOT to start little mini armies. By time a henchman is at that "S-ranked" level, they should be taking over for the S-rank ninja, not continuing to be their bitch. Why? Because that doesn't make sense.

S-rank Henchmen were left out of the system, and will never be a part of the henchmen system. That's just not how we designed it.

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I'm glad to see that the whole henchmen had to be first thing got fixed. And I thought that twins took up all companion slots, not just the first four. That aside, while I'd be the first to jump at a chance to improve chances for HM, the proposed system does not cater to the staff's goal for the site. They'd rather have groups of RPers rp together, instead of having someone becoming a juggarnaut on their own. I agree with this idea, and think that an A-rank henchman should not be able to stand toe to toe with an RPC by themself. This, if I understand correctly, is the reason that MN have the stats that they have. This being the case, I might make a counter suggestion saying that instead of thinking of them as D/A-ranked henchmen, make them Henchmen for a D-ranked ninja.

What I mean is that the system should make it so that a D-rank MN can get a D-rank henchman. Whether its by debt or fear of their leader, all the henchmen on the site wouldn't challenge their leader in power, even when with the way some are built, they would be able to target their leader's weaknesses because they're meant to cover them. Like Haku was for Zabuza ( which is what I was trying to say earlier, no thanks to auto-correct), Even if they somehow became stronger, a henchmen would not try something either because of genuine loyalty or fear that their master's still stronger.

That said, I think that henchmen should almost be treated like summons, in the way that a summon can rank up to the level of the user. Considering that even if the ninja were on the same rank as their leader, they would still be weaker, the only reason that it would not work is because the system would not allow it. So I'm gonna change it up and instead of goin "STAFF SUCK, MN NEED MORE STUFF" I'll ask why it is that the system would not allow for my suggestion. hopefully this will keep the discusion on topic and people from getting defensive.

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Minor problems with Chi's post.

Summons may be almost like mini henchmen but now cost chakra to bring and hold. <- They always have.

Summons also cannot do clan based stuff, though some may do supers <- No, they can't use supers. Supers take two element slots, which companions don't have.

I'm not really seeing any real reason why this would be over powered except for extreme examples and misinformed examples from Wright. <- - Maybe you should read then. Henchmen are already stronger than others types of companions. To balance this out, we make them weaker. That's one thing that I've said. Another is that henchmen, by defintion, are supposed to be weaker than the leader. This is to show that they are actually henchmen. That's one thing that Onu's said. Additionally, henchmen aren't supposed to be capable of taking out someone that's the same rank (PC vs Hench), which is why they're lower. This is another thing that Onu's said.