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Tanking Rule Suggestion.
Topic Started: Feb 17 2010, 11:26 AM (1,040 Views)
drewst18

There is a difference between tanking cause you need to build, hoping to lose, and then tanking cause you couldn't get a top 10 pick through trade even if you have a top 5 team.

Teams tank irl, no doubt. I find it hard to belive that the Isle could actually be that bad last year. However I am not opposed to a nonplayoff team looking to get the best bang for his buck. I have finished 9th place in the SSHL a few times, and its not fun. You don't make playoffs and you have a shitty pick. However a team that could contend for the cup should not need to tank, its pathetic.

Also putting in a "drop in standings" clause also helps label a person whos tanking. It is entirely too hard to label someone as tanking who has never made the playoffs.
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Cream

drewst18
Feb 17 2010, 05:35 PM
There is a difference between tanking cause you need to build, hoping to lose, and then tanking cause you couldn't get a top 10 pick through trade even if you have a top 5 team.

Teams tank irl, no doubt. I find it hard to belive that the Isle could actually be that bad last year. However I am not opposed to a nonplayoff team looking to get the best bang for his buck. I have finished 9th place in the SSHL a few times, and its not fun. You don't make playoffs and you have a shitty pick. However a team that could contend for the cup should not need to tank, its pathetic.

Also putting in a "drop in standings" clause also helps label a person whos tanking. It is entirely too hard to label someone as tanking who has never made the playoffs.
I completely disagree with you on this. Anybody who openly admits to tanking, which is what happened in two cases this season, should have the same rules applied to them. They are OPENLY admitting to tanking. As for NHL teams that do it, I don't think they do but even if they do, they don't openly say it and jump for joy at a GM meeting (live sim) because they know they are gonna get a high pick.

Struggling to make a good team or needing to rebuild yes, but you don't purposely tank. Teams who need to do this have week management imo.

It's like you said, somebody who is legitimately at that spot, or somebody who drops maybe one spot, yeah, maybe. Nobody openly admits it though, IMHO if people are going to tank like this, keep your mouth closed. I'd rather see people tank and not talk about it then openly admit to it. Simply admitting to trying to tank should be an automatic loss of a team in my opinion.
Edited by Cream, Feb 17 2010, 05:56 PM.
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it's true haha

at the end, in every sim you were praying for losses, openly :P

hahahaha

tanking or not. It's not like Kisle would want to do that this year. he'd be giving mordy another franchise pick.
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drewst18

The Isle never did anything but hoped to lose. He didn't actually "tank"
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Tran

I believe the term is "Tank Fag"

My advice, if the league determines that tanking is a bad thing, is to define it, but leave it open to some subjectivity on the commissioner's part.

If someone complains to J about a tanker, and then J decides said Tank Fag is hurting the league, J can say "Shape up or get out."

Or, if J doesn't like that, you can come up with a bunch of rules.
And let me tell you with rules, the second one is written, someone is trying to find around them.

Airtight rules are nearly impossible to create and they are a pain in the ass to implement and enforce.

If someone is going against the spirit of the league, let the commissioner(s) deal with it.
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Edited by Tran, Feb 17 2010, 06:42 PM.
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Jake
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Tran
Feb 17 2010, 06:38 PM
I believe the term is "Tank Fag"

My advice, if the league determines that tanking is a bad thing, is to define it, but leave it open to some subjectivity on the commissioner's part.

If someone complains to J about a tanker, and then J decides said Tank Fag is hurting the league, J can say "Shape up or get out."

Or, if J doesn't like that, you can come up with a bunch of rules.
And let me tell you with rules, the second one is written, someone is trying to find around them.

Airtight rules are nearly impossible to create and they are a pain in the ass to implement and enforce.

If someone is going against the spirit of the league, let the commissioner(s) deal with it.
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Tran makes a good point. JHole told me "no more tanking for you" and that's just that. If I tank, I assume he'd kick me out. He didn't need to come up with a set of parameters, he just said that I'm not allowed to tank. I think that would work the same with everyone else.

I mean, in all honesty, if JHole said "no tanking", there's really nothing you can do about it. If it looks like you're tanking and he says you are, if you bitch about it, you're violating the "no bullshit" clause anyway.

But the one thing I learned in law school is that laws are just a set of obstacles to be worked around and overcome. Even in Drew's elaborate set of rules, there's still a lot of wiggle room and plausible deniability. With what JHole did with me, there is no wiggle room. If JHole thinks I'm tanking, that's all that matters and if he thinks I'm tanking, I'm fucked. I trust his judgment, and so should everyone else.
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Jake
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drewst18
Feb 17 2010, 05:35 PM
However a team that could contend for the cup should not need to tank, its pathetic.
Four things.

1. You don't need to toss around insults to make your point.
2. While I don't think tanking should be allowed, there shouldn't be a rule forbidding someone from blowing up their team and starting over. CHL teams do it all the time, and it's an enjoyable process for the GM. I know I finally had the opportunity to rid myself of the players that drove me nuts the first three seasons and I'm loving every minute of the process.
3. "Could contend for the Cup" is subjective at best. The team I had built was not good enough to beat the Sharks or Flames. I knew I didn't have the horses to win it all, so why should I be forced to stick with those guys for the long haul or make minor tweaks? Not everyone enjoys making fifteen trades a day or turn over their roster eight times a season.
4. I didn't "need" to tank. Neither did Kisle. Neither did Mordy. I wanted to. If you look at all three of our systems, we weren't hurting for prospects. It was just a good strategic move.
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drewst18

Tran
Feb 17 2010, 06:38 PM
I believe the term is "Tank Fag"

My advice, if the league determines that tanking is a bad thing, is to define it, but leave it open to some subjectivity on the commissioner's part.

If someone complains to J about a tanker, and then J decides said Tank Fag is hurting the league, J can say "Shape up or get out."

Or, if J doesn't like that, you can come up with a bunch of rules.
And let me tell you with rules, the second one is written, someone is trying to find around them.

Airtight rules are nearly impossible to create and they are a pain in the ass to implement and enforce.

If someone is going against the spirit of the league, let the commissioner(s) deal with it.
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Tanking is a bad thing...

The goal of this thread would be to take the bullshit out of J's hands. Tanking should not be a topic of discussion.

I am telling you we will have tankers this year, next year every freaking year and people won't like it. It will cause problems. J won't wanna hear about all the tankers or hear from the people bitching about the tankers...trust me I know. We all know how the game works, you know when a team is tanking and when they aren't. Having a team win the division 3 years in a row and all of sudden can't win a game?

EVERYONE who has posted is against tanking (I think cept Tran) There has to be someway to police it amongst ourselves before it gets out of control. I don't care really what the rule is, black, white, shades of grey, if we can agree that there shouldn't be tanking we should be able to come up with some sort of rule to stop it.
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drewst18

If your exciuse for tanking is you want to blow up a team...switch teams! Rebuild a team that needs it.
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drewst18

Jake
Feb 17 2010, 07:52 PM

2. While I don't think tanking should be allowed, there shouldn't be a rule forbidding someone from blowing up their team and starting over. CHL teams do it all the time, and it's an enjoyable process for the GM. I know I finally had the opportunity to rid myself of the players that drove me nuts the first three seasons and I'm loving every minute of the process.
3. "Could contend for the Cup" is subjective at best. The team I had built was not good enough to beat the Sharks or Flames. I knew I didn't have the horses to win it all, so why should I be forced to stick with those guys for the long haul or make minor tweaks? Not everyone enjoys making fifteen trades a day or turn over their roster eight times a season.
CHL teams also lose players in 3-4 years, sooner if the team is good enough. And I don't recall the last time I saw the London Knights need to tank. The good teams with good managers know how to win without tanking... I don't suspect the Spits will "rebuild"

"Contend for a cup" is subjective, that is why I proposed a standings drop to clear it up similar to the firing rule.
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