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Topic Started: Dec 2 2009, 03:44 AM (1,650 Views)
dybbuk
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drewst18
Dec 2 2009, 02:43 PM
Well I know that both me and Jeff have a very strict training regiment that if not monitored will cause problems...I am all for it if someone wants to make sure my guys don't get tired :P
You guys are working your guys too hard imo then. Way too hard. I tone my guys down in Jan/Feb and that's the only time I ever change my practices. It could be monitored if that's all that is holding you back though.
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Why not redo shit but go slow, 7/10 day sims?
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Cream
Dec 2 2009, 02:44 PM
swiftwin
Dec 2 2009, 02:32 PM
Theres alot more to it than just development. In an ideal world, C may be a nice option. But in reality, its like people think were gonna get the same, or similar results to the season if we resim everything. I HIGHLY doubt that. The standings at the end of the year are going to be drastically different, especially if nobody can manage their teams. Some people are better at managing their teams through the season, with option C, we throw that out the window. On top of that, some people made trades based on the fact that they were/werent making the playoffs, some people made trades based off injuries, etc. Option C is just bad from so many angles. And even worse, I can't think of any positives out of it. I mean, if you want, we can just award the cup to Atlanta, make it official, in the forums and everything, then restart. Just don't think of it as restarting all over, and think of it as moving on to the next season, except its 2007 again, and some atts/rosters will be slightly different.

Option C:
Pros:
-We move to 2008-09 season faster

Cons:
-The standings/results will be drastically different
-Circumstances will be different, and people will be forced to make trades they would not make in these new circumstances
-People can't properly setup practice for their players, possibly affecting development
-People don't get a proper feel for their players to see what works, what doesn't


May I suggest option D?

We take the saved game, input all the free agent signings and the trades up to the begining of the season. After that, sim as usual (like opt.A), or quicker (opt.B). Its a bit better as most team changes happened in the offseason.


The standings don't matter as it's already been stated the sim will be done so Atlanta wins the cup and the draft order will be the same.


As for trades, those trades were already made, so re-doing the season like in option C puts you in the same place it would have if the file wasn't corrupt.
What I don't understand is why we have to resim everything to make it so Atlanta wins the cup. We already know they won it fair and square. We don't need the game to tell us that.

Make it so:
2007-08A: Atlanta Thrashers
2007-08B: Whoever wins next time.

There are just way too many negatives for us to resim just so the game can tell us something we already know.
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swiftwin
Dec 2 2009, 02:52 PM
Cream
Dec 2 2009, 02:44 PM
swiftwin
Dec 2 2009, 02:32 PM
Theres alot more to it than just development. In an ideal world, C may be a nice option. But in reality, its like people think were gonna get the same, or similar results to the season if we resim everything. I HIGHLY doubt that. The standings at the end of the year are going to be drastically different, especially if nobody can manage their teams. Some people are better at managing their teams through the season, with option C, we throw that out the window. On top of that, some people made trades based on the fact that they were/werent making the playoffs, some people made trades based off injuries, etc. Option C is just bad from so many angles. And even worse, I can't think of any positives out of it. I mean, if you want, we can just award the cup to Atlanta, make it official, in the forums and everything, then restart. Just don't think of it as restarting all over, and think of it as moving on to the next season, except its 2007 again, and some atts/rosters will be slightly different.

Option C:
Pros:
-We move to 2008-09 season faster

Cons:
-The standings/results will be drastically different
-Circumstances will be different, and people will be forced to make trades they would not make in these new circumstances
-People can't properly setup practice for their players, possibly affecting development
-People don't get a proper feel for their players to see what works, what doesn't


May I suggest option D?

We take the saved game, input all the free agent signings and the trades up to the begining of the season. After that, sim as usual (like opt.A), or quicker (opt.B). Its a bit better as most team changes happened in the offseason.


The standings don't matter as it's already been stated the sim will be done so Atlanta wins the cup and the draft order will be the same.


As for trades, those trades were already made, so re-doing the season like in option C puts you in the same place it would have if the file wasn't corrupt.
What I don't understand is why we have to resim everything to make it so Atlanta wins the cup. We already know they won it fair and square. We don't need the game to tell us that.

Make it so:
2007-08A: Atlanta Thrashers
2007-08B: Whoever wins next time.

There are just way too many negatives for us to resim just so the game can tell us something we already know.
Like I said, I'm fine with you're option D as long as we use the draft order that was supposed to be this years draft. I'm not trying to be a dick here to anybody, seriously, but I'm about to possibly lose 2 top 10 (including a 1st overall) draft picks.

Edit: Just realised I edited my previous post before you got a chance to quote it. Just wanted to reference that.
Edited by Cream, Dec 2 2009, 02:56 PM.
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Dec 2 2009, 02:52 PM
What I don't understand is why we have to resim everything to make it so Atlanta wins the cup. We already know they won it fair and square. We don't need the game to tell us that.

Make it so:
2007-08A: Atlanta Thrashers
2007-08B: Whoever wins next time.

There are just way too many negatives for us to resim just so the game can tell us something we already know.
I dont care about the game saying I won the cup. I would like to keep the players I've acquired during the season.
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jevandloo
Dec 2 2009, 01:45 PM
Its not the same for everyone as far as development goes. Someone who can develope a guy better then another loses alot more through the course of a season then another.
EXACTLY
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Cream
Dec 2 2009, 01:54 PM
jevandloo
Dec 2 2009, 01:45 PM
Its not the same for everyone as far as development goes. Someone who can develope a guy better then another loses alot more through the course of a season then another.
I have no doubt that this is the case, I know a lot of people are better at developing players then I am, question is, how much of a real difference one season will make.
HUGE difference.
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dybbuk
Dec 2 2009, 02:32 PM
danoj22
Dec 2 2009, 12:26 PM
I agree with Drew on that last part. I think we need to give Riz ample time to respond. I would rather wait a few days and postpone the draft just to have the chance to save what we have.

Dano
SI has replied to me. Riz is going to look into it this weekend.

I'm for option C.

I would like to think I'm one of the better trainers in the league right now. I know any training I do for my guys isn't so stressful on them that they fall apart mid season or anything so guys shouldn't be getting so tired it's hurting development. The practice training is also temporary good or bad. Long term I don't think any prospect would lose very much if he was only trained half decent for a season instead of being maintained day-by-day. I'm not sure what part of C guys are hating in regards being forced to redo deals. If we go with option C I won the cup so all those trades wont help you if the player gets injured or not. And if we flip the draft picks so the draft order stays the same that's that. The biggest issue is contracts, but, I do believe that could be fixed with the save game editor.
Saved game editor doesn't allow you to alter contracts. The only things that can be altered are a player's age, CA, PA and atts.
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What about the guys losing player transactions? You can retrain a player, but you wont be able to redo the deals that you made unless the other party agrees. As for me, I'm not trading for Brindamour or Blake again cause I didn't win with them before (if we do A or B).
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J-Hole
Dec 2 2009, 03:17 PM
What about the guys losing player transactions? You can retrain a player, but you wont be able to redo the deals that you made unless the other party agrees. As for me, I'm not trading for Brindamour or Blake again cause I didn't win with them before (if we do A or B).
You can't retrain a player though. If we go with option C, Kessel's not going to be good enough in 08-09 to use him in the role I have been developing him to play. In 09-10 he will be, but option C forces me to have to make a move to fill the role I already developed Kessel to play.

Option C screws over people who have strict, effective training programs, whereas options A and B don't screw over anyone at all.
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