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jevandloo
Dec 2 2009, 01:45 PM
Its not the same for everyone as far as development goes. Someone who can develope a guy better then another loses alot more through the course of a season then another.
I have no doubt that this is the case, I know a lot of people are better at developing players then I am, question is, how much of a real difference one season will make.
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i think the answer is ALOT.
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Cream

Well if it really is THAT much of a difference, and multiple people think it makes that much of a difference then maybe it's not an option.

Drew said it though, one option is going to be unfair to some people, the other option will be unfair to the other people. The only situation which will allow for full player development, which seems to be the biggest concern, while ensuring people's success/draft positions are still satisfied too, is if the save file gets fixed.
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danoj22
Dec 2 2009, 12:26 PM
I agree with Drew on that last part. I think we need to give Riz ample time to respond. I would rather wait a few days and postpone the draft just to have the chance to save what we have.

Dano
SI has replied to me. Riz is going to look into it this weekend.

I'm for option C.

I would like to think I'm one of the better trainers in the league right now. I know any training I do for my guys isn't so stressful on them that they fall apart mid season or anything so guys shouldn't be getting so tired it's hurting development. The practice training is also temporary good or bad. Long term I don't think any prospect would lose very much if he was only trained half decent for a season instead of being maintained day-by-day. I'm not sure what part of C guys are hating in regards being forced to redo deals. If we go with option C I won the cup so all those trades wont help you if the player gets injured or not. And if we flip the draft picks so the draft order stays the same that's that. The biggest issue is contracts, but, I do believe that could be fixed with the save game editor.
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Theres alot more to it than just development. In an ideal world, C may be a nice option. But in reality, its like people think were gonna get the same, or similar results to the season if we resim everything. I HIGHLY doubt that. The standings at the end of the year are going to be drastically different, especially if nobody can manage their teams. Some people are better at managing their teams through the season, with option C, we throw that out the window. On top of that, some people made trades based on the fact that they were/werent making the playoffs, some people made trades based off injuries, etc. Option C is just bad from so many angles. And even worse, I can't think of any positives out of it. I mean, if you want, we can just award the cup to Atlanta, make it official, in the forums and everything, then restart. Just don't think of it as restarting all over, and think of it as moving on to the next season, except its 2007 again, and some atts/rosters will be slightly different.

Option C:
Pros:
-We move to 2008-09 season faster

Cons:
-The standings/results will be drastically different
-Circumstances will be different, and people will be forced to make trades they would not make in these new circumstances
-People can't properly setup practice for their players, possibly affecting development
-People don't get a proper feel for their players to see what works, what doesn't


May I suggest option D?

We take the saved game, input all the free agent signings and the trades up to the begining of the season. After that, sim as usual (like opt.A), or quicker (opt.B). Its a bit better as most team changes happened in the offseason.
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dybbuk
Dec 2 2009, 02:32 PM
danoj22
Dec 2 2009, 12:26 PM
I agree with Drew on that last part. I think we need to give Riz ample time to respond. I would rather wait a few days and postpone the draft just to have the chance to save what we have.

Dano
SI has replied to me. Riz is going to look into it this weekend.

I'm for option C.

I would like to think I'm one of the better trainers in the league right now. I know any training I do for my guys isn't so stressful on them that they fall apart mid season or anything so guys shouldn't be getting so tired it's hurting development. The practice training is also temporary good or bad. Long term I don't think any prospect would lose very much if he was only trained half decent for a season instead of being maintained day-by-day. I'm not sure what part of C guys are hating in regards being forced to redo deals. If we go with option C I won the cup so all those trades wont help you if the player gets injured or not. And if we flip the draft picks so the draft order stays the same that's that. The biggest issue is contracts, but, I do believe that could be fixed with the save game editor.
If that's the case, then C it should be imo. I know it's a lot of work, and am willing to help with whatever I can, but it restores the league back to as close to original as possible without being unfair to one group compared to the other.
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drewst18

Well I know that both me and Jeff have a very strict training regiment that if not monitored will cause problems...I am all for it if someone wants to make sure my guys don't get tired :P
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swiftwin
Dec 2 2009, 02:32 PM
Theres alot more to it than just development. In an ideal world, C may be a nice option. But in reality, its like people think were gonna get the same, or similar results to the season if we resim everything. I HIGHLY doubt that. The standings at the end of the year are going to be drastically different, especially if nobody can manage their teams. Some people are better at managing their teams through the season, with option C, we throw that out the window. On top of that, some people made trades based on the fact that they were/werent making the playoffs, some people made trades based off injuries, etc. Option C is just bad from so many angles. And even worse, I can't think of any positives out of it. I mean, if you want, we can just award the cup to Atlanta, make it official, in the forums and everything, then restart. Just don't think of it as restarting all over, and think of it as moving on to the next season, except its 2007 again, and some atts/rosters will be slightly different.

Option C:
Pros:
-We move to 2008-09 season faster

Cons:
-The standings/results will be drastically different
-Circumstances will be different, and people will be forced to make trades they would not make in these new circumstances
-People can't properly setup practice for their players, possibly affecting development
-People don't get a proper feel for their players to see what works, what doesn't


May I suggest option D?

We take the saved game, input all the free agent signings and the trades up to the begining of the season. After that, sim as usual (like opt.A), or quicker (opt.B). Its a bit better as most team changes happened in the offseason.


The standings don't matter as it's already been stated the sim will be done so Atlanta wins the cup and the draft order will be the same.


As for trades, those trades were already made, so re-doing the season like in option C puts you in the same place it would have if the file wasn't corrupt.

As for option D, I'm fine with that as long as the Draft Order stays the same.
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drewst18

pat you sly devil you...thats not a half bad idea!
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swiftwin
Dec 2 2009, 02:40 PM
Option C:
Pros:
-We move to 2008-09 season faster

Cons:
-The standings/results will be drastically different
-Circumstances will be different, and people will be forced to make trades they would not make in these new circumstances
-People can't properly setup practice for their players, possibly affecting development
-People don't get a proper feel for their players to see what works, what doesn't


May I suggest option D?

We take the saved game, input all the free agent signings and the trades up to the begining of the season. After that, sim as usual (like opt.A), or quicker (opt.B). Its a bit better as most team changes happened in the offseason.
Pro:
that isn't even a pro in mind, I dont care about what season it is. It's about maintaining my team.

Cons:
-Standings/results dont matter because the playoffs have already been decided.
-The circumstances dont matter because we already know what happens, no revisionism here, it is what you thought would work at the time.
-I dont think practice needs to be monitored day-by-day
-You can't remember what you did for the season? You made the trades you should know what worked and what didn't.
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