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| J-Hole | Sep 18 2009, 11:02 PM Post #11 |
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I know that I only put two options for times to vote on, but is there a compromise time that might work better for more people? 2PM? 3PM? 7PM? |
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| drewst18 | Sep 19 2009, 12:05 AM Post #12 |
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I would love any of those...I work til 2:30, but I could race home, and hopefully make it back for some of it, anything but 11 Whatever works best for everyone though, if it happens to be 11...so be it
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| jevandloo | Sep 19 2009, 02:57 AM Post #13 |
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earlier would be better for me. but thats just me |
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| getzlaf15 | Sep 19 2009, 08:55 AM Post #14 |
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cherry77
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Do i get a vote, seen although i'm out of the playoffs... I'll be around for some of it i guess, maybe not in game but i'll be rooting for someone in Convo's we have
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| dybbuk | Sep 19 2009, 09:35 AM Post #15 |
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11 is best for me, but, if nobody else can make it I wouldn't mind pushing it back. |
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| TommyOvrebo | Sep 19 2009, 09:54 AM Post #16 |
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Everything works for me.....go hawks pew pew |
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| The Stampy | Sep 19 2009, 02:29 PM Post #17 |
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Hmm, it seems a few things need to be cleared up, theres a numerous amount of misconceptions here: 1) With John hosting the DM, and Jason hosting the NB, it would be pretty hard to manage a team in the corresponding league (unless you have 2 computers, hosts of previous leagues can relate to his I am sure). To my knowledge though, each host only uses one (so they would have to take the game down to log in, which of course creates a hassle for when they can do so, and for everyone else involved in both leagues as well. I am not quite sure how each of them not being in the corresponding league creates a different level of competition though. The timeframe where both leagues are at, certainly does of course (as in the DM you need to rely on your scouting much more heavily without the name and reputation familarity of players, while familarity is relied upon in the NB). In essence though, I like that. You have two different brands for GMs to choose from. Personally, I love scouting, but also familiarity. Presents one with two different challenges to manage a team. Hence, it's more about preference and choice, not really competition (elaborate below) 2) Variety - It's actually a good thing we see only a few GMs in both leagues, as it means we are seeing new people join. It's provides variety, and once again, choice. 3) Background about the TBL partnership - The main purpose to foster the partnership was to raise awareness of EHM online, especially for 2005, AS A WHOLE. It was not tailored to be "DM branded" at all. The whole point of the partnership is to educate folks who have played offline on what EHM 05 online is all about and how it works, basically to clear myths and misconceptions about online gaming (i.e. that is takes too much, that everyone has to be online at the sametime to name a few). This leads into the next point.. 4) EHM Online; Brought to you by DM - It is not 100% designed for the DM at all (nor was its purpose to be as such). It is however 100% designed for EHM 05 Online play where interested TBL members/non-members may seek information about how online play works (again to clear up misconceptions). The reason for the "Brought to you by DM" part, is due to the correspondence between John and I with Colin, a main admin of TBL. John brought back the discussion of online play (after it had gone cold for about a year), and told the folks of TBL what EHM 05 online was all about. As a result, that changed the perspective of a few TBL members (including Brian Stinson who joined us at DM, and heh of course, Getzlaf (heh not trying to single ya out there buddy by the way hehe) who has joined the NB - and as such, direct proof that the forum is not "DM designed" but once again, "EHM online" designed). Due to this change in perspective, we were approached by TBL to create a guide so to speak on online gaming, which further lead to the proposal of an online board created solely for EHM 05 online gaming (also TBL is currently in the process of re-designing their entire forums, and this was one of the initiatives to begin that process), to offer more to the EHM community. As such, it was/has never been about appeasing both leagues, but about awareness of EHM online. Moreover... 5) Partnership - TBL is always looking for improvement to improve the forums, and as such, we can make suggestions/changes simply be telling Colin what we would like. Also, at the time of the partnership's fruition, the NB had not be established yet (discussions began early in the summer, thus the title of the forum resulted as such). Now if the reason for a "perceive competition" by NB is due to name recogntion, a simple suggestion can change the title of the forum called "EHM Online; Brought to you by DM" to "EHM Online; Brought to you by DM/NB." Pretty easy Or, what we could do is to create a thread in the forum specifically related to NB (where rules, history, whichever aspects the NB would like to talk about). In addition, if we say, expanded the partnership at TBL to officially include NB, then we would need a representative from NB (i.e. an admin) to make sure news/updates regarding the NB are posted on the forum (naturally this means there will be a mod from NB on the forums). Thus, if a representative from NB is interested (and we hope you are, after all, we are trying to make the game grow together here :)), please email asap so that I may began to get things rolling wih John and Colin to obtain approval. If not, at the very least I will create a thread in the forum specifically for NB news/history/updates, and brief introduction to what the league is all about (in fact I will do that today to get things rolling). I cannot promise that will update it on a regular basis, but I will do my best :). 6) Competition - Four words... It has never worked. We have seen time and time again what happens when say three leagues are on the go; one ends up collapsing every time. The UF, IF, SS, HU, and LS. Naturally, others were due to different circumstances (like IF, SS), but others collapsed due to a lack of activity or wanning interest (HU, IF, LS) in the presence of active/stable leagues. Now it seems we are in a fine balance with two leagues, catering to different interest. Let's not wreck that, we have a really good thing going on right now, so let's keep it as such :). We have also seen that new GMs which have joined online gaming, are either in one league or another, but not both. Furthermore, we see that both leagues are pretty much full (DM has one opening though, I am not sure how many are in the NB at the moment). I think if there was a "competition" for new GMs, we would see a GM dropping one league for another, or one league seeing a numerous amount of GMs less than the other. We seem however to be adding new GMs catering to different likings. This is a reason why at DM we try to schedule sim times (especially for the playoffs, the schedule was posted well in advance) and draft times (hence why we polled the date of the draft early, and picked a date and time of the draft well in advance (announced on September 12th, 7 days ago). We do so as a courtesy/etiquette out of respect, knowing that the NB playoffs would be occuring a week or so down the road. From our perspective thus, we are operating on the purpose on doing whats best for the EHM online community, not on our own self-interest (hence I am not sure what the "this seems to be trend lately" statement is referring to?). Thus, at least from our standpoint, we are not operating on a competition basis (nor have we the passed four years). We want a healthy community, not two opposing sides of it by being proactive rather than reactive. As such, we have never believed or mandated to operate on the basis of competition (thought has never even crossed by mind lol, thus I am a bit surprised by this revelation from the NB's standpoint). Thus ideally, we would like that courtesy to be reciprocated if possible (because the goal here, is not to make something best for the league, but for the entire EH community) :). Having such a conflict may make one have to choose this or that, or deal with the hassle to jump from one server to another (which can cause a playoff sim delay, a GM not being able to watch a playoff game if coming into the server too late, or miss making a pick or draft delay). It just does not work, it's been tried. We have seen it time and time again from the past four years. Let's learn our mistakes and move on, not redo them lol. It just does not make sense to foster that hassle. As such, we will continue to schedule sims/events well in advance as a courtesy (as it's in everyone's best interest). If not, well we understand the notion that somtimes, a league has to do what it has to do and that sometimes, NB does state some sim times a couple of days or a day in advance, due to simmer availability and their associated schedules. Thus sometimes, its unavoidable. In this particular case though, it seems avoidable (due to the discussion going on about the sim time tomorrow), plus there was ample time in advance of the draft date and time. That's why we make the effort folks of advance notice, so we would like such an effort reciprocated as well if possible to please avoid the conflict (again, not for the league's sake, but for GMs sake).Heh so I guess that's it :). I hope that clears up a few things. I must admit (and I know this was not done on purpose fellas :), don't get me wrong), that I am a bit disappointed/surprised reading this revelation (I hope though that is because of not knowing all the facts and not being done deliberately, as we did provide ample advance, which in that case I retract my previous statement/amazement :)). However, if NB is operating on a competition standard officially, well then, let us know I guess? lol. At the time of NB's inception, I was never given that impression (I was always under the assumption it was a partnership), thus it would be appreciated if ya guys could let us know at least a change in NB's operation/mandate eh as I will need to inform John of the change (just to be considerate so that he does not have to spend the time/effort to accomodate well in advance, he's a busy guy as well, like all of us :)). If not, then lets see if we can get the ball rolling on the TBL front (I will begin the process of making the thread today, please contact me on who will be the TBL representative). I prefer by email so that I may forward a record of the correspondence if necessary, thanks :). And yes, I know that was WAY TOO LONG :P, but I feel a lot needed to be said :). Edited by The Stampy, Sep 19 2009, 04:34 PM.
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| Randy Selurn | Sep 19 2009, 02:54 PM Post #18 |
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Here! Here! Jolly times, all around ye, thou arst in the midst of wonder and awe. |
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| The Stampy | Sep 19 2009, 03:06 PM Post #19 |
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High five brothra! :p So say, I created the thread here: http://www.ehmtheblueline.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=79633#79633. Let me know what you guys think and what I can add/fix accordingly (or please feel free to post as well, ideally the person who is chosen as the NB representative), thanks :). Edited by The Stampy, Sep 19 2009, 03:07 PM.
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| Randy Selurn | Sep 19 2009, 03:47 PM Post #20 |
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let's get an answer. I am stalling about plans for tomorrow |
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Whatever works best for everyone though, if it happens to be 11...so be it
I'll be around for some of it i guess, maybe not in game but i'll be rooting for someone in Convo's we have

10:41 AM Jul 11