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BLOCK DEVIL OFFERS ART ADVICE; AND POSSIBLY EVEN ART TUTORIALS!!
Topic Started: Mar 8 2012, 06:04 AM (3,376 Views)
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Recently I went through Mr ZEX's art thread and provided a bit of feedback on his art. He seemed really eager to improve and this sort of sparked a fire in me, so I went through and gave him some in depth advice.

And, it felt pretty good.

So I'm starting this thread in which you can either post a drawing you would like critique on or just let me know if you have some trouble in drawing something in particular (hands, feet, faces, hair, ass, titties, etc.) and I'll see what I can do to help you guys out.

Now for the sake of me actually being able to go through each of your drawings and sorting things out with y'all I'm gonna ask that you post only 1 drawing for a certain period of time. I want to spend good time with my input so please understand. Unless of course, things get slow and I find the time to help.

The way the general tutorials may work is that if there is a consensus on a topic in general, I'll go into more detail. If it's a really specific subject then not so much. (for example, a lot of people may post that they need help with drawing panties, I will try to go in depth with that. But if only one person has trouble drawing noses, then it's just simple advice.)

Also, keep in mind that I'm gonna be honest in my opinion and I may say things that you won't like. Post at your own risk, but c'mon don't be shy. LET ME EAT YOUR HOPES AND DREea-err let me help you.

And I am being completely serious about this, feel free to ask me about anything in general but please let's keep things in good taste and in context. Don't ask me for help in drawing Sonic the Hedgehog's blue penis or something.

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B-mage
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Edited by Block Devil, May 4 2012, 05:21 AM.
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How does muffin?
Perfect!
Rather than dig up my old thread for critique I can just use this
Link to my image because it's too HYOOGE to direct post
I know the arms need work, I've been pushing to do more uper arm fat and it's not quite coming off as I wanted. I also need work on the knees.
However my major flaw is still the repition of that 3/4 pose, I need to break out of it but I'm still not great at other angles as my warms up show.
when you're done tearing me a new one and provided there isn't a line forming to get chewed out I'll try to post something a little more ambitious
Edited by B-mage, Mar 10 2012, 04:09 PM.
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Does the chili dog have something to do with the Sonic thing, Block was babbling on about?
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Mar 10 2012, 04:18 PM
Does the chili dog have something to do with the Sonic thing, Block was babbling on about?
Yes and I need him to tell me where it would be best to place a big blue cock

actually I drew this before I checked the thread
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Back of the knee.

Are you psychic?
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Alright B-mage, you are a brave one indeed. Let's get this started.

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To be honest, I think this is a good drawing. Good choice of colors, solid linework and shading. I like the boots and her hair. Not a big fan of the caption, but I was never a caption guy. Here's a few things I'd like to talk about:

So you think the arms need some work then? Alright let's start there

Continuing on the arm subject

Shading notes

Important note

DEM LEGS

And finally, something about the button-up shirt

Some advice for avoiding 3/4 habits

WHEW! That's really all I have to say about this at the moment. Another thing I'd like to point out is that her ear is too low on her head. Usually a person's ears will be parallel to their eyes, so you may wanna keep that in mind next time, although in the case of your style it doesn't really bother me much. Again, the drawing looks nice. You certainly have a style going on. I think you have good potential.
Edited by Block Devil, Mar 12 2012, 04:12 AM.
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BONUS!!!

In all seriousness, feel free to let me know if any of this and the previous stuff made any sense. This took me a lot longer to put together than I thought, but I'm glad I can be of some help.
Edited by Block Devil, Mar 12 2012, 04:11 AM.
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Reeeeeeeeesponse!
First off thank you very much for going through all of this to make such a thorough and detailed run down of these short comings. It does help a lot to have it spelled out with examples.

For starters the arm:
I don't know why I fuss and fret so much over the elbows and how the fat lump up at the bend. Your corrections make a lot of sense and I probably could land something closer to that if I didn't second guess myself so much and change the lines around that fat 10-15 times before over compensating and drawing very bulbous and gravity defying fat because I've worked myself into thinking it looks flat without it.

Shading:
My shading has a long way to go no question, nuff said

Legs are similar to the arms in that I set my mind on certain aspects having certain qualities and then proceed to draw them over and over and over slowly moving away from whats realistic because I want to accent those aspects and I over compensate to hell and disrupt the effect. Here I was really adamant that she have very thick thigh fat built up in front and back of her legs so that the fat in front of her legs would be pushing out almost as much as her belly. As for knees, it's just going to be a lot of practice before I start getting them down pat.

Shirt:
Another problem in my art is compartmentalizing the lines. There is the line for the shirt from her shoulders, then the part cresting her bust, then the lines for the button under that, none of it was taken to be one item of clothing and I faulted over this break down of the shirt.

I like your version, so cuddly chubby looking. I know the focus can be pulled in like that to focus on the subject matter, I only push myself for the full body art because I know I need the practice and to cut off the legs to avoid drawing them will not help me improve at all. Of course this is not to say I'm required to show the entire page, for the sake of the framing I can easily crop off the lower half to make the piece work. That will simply require me to get over one of my other short comings which is a sort of vanity because I feel like I'm cutting off one of my arms when I have to hide something I drew from the viewer's perspective. This issue has caused me to draw some funky poses in the past because I was too stuborn to draw an arm blocking the side of a charcter or cut down a frame for better emphasis.
As for the ear, thats where the ear is on her standard design and I was aiming for the piece to look like she does in the show, blame Genndy Tartakovsky :P
Same forthe caption, it could have been better but it is in relation to her crusade for a healthier lunch menu (course that was because the school lunches are unidentifiable slop) I was musing more on Ilana discovering earth junk food and being very taken by it

I will definitaly take all this in and do my best to improve
Thank you again
If no one else is posting in the next day or so I may draw something else tonight to seek help on
Edited by B-mage, Mar 12 2012, 05:07 PM.
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this looks really neat O:

image link because of size
I'm trying to go with some worm's eye view lower angle, but usually the face and head get lost in translation, and sometimes take the proportions with them D:
I'm not sure how the gut would go about it in this angle either from lack of reference to that angle at size. I didn't add the rest of legs because it was too tortuous in the end for me.
Edited by pewpew, Mar 12 2012, 08:27 PM.
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Alright then pewpew, sorry for making you wait. Let's kick shell.

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If I didn't know you were trying to go for a worm's eye angle, I'd think this was pretty much done and good. Decent anatomy and good choice on color hues. I especially enjoy how her expression really comes through as an excellent mix of disappointment, concern and embarrassment. Nicely done!

Now before I touch on worm's eye view subject, I got a few notes for you.

I know you said you didn't want to finish the legs... but...

Notes on Tifa's Right Side

Avoid Floaty Spherical Boobies!!!

Next up, her hair

And now...

WORM'S EYE!

BONUS!!! Here's some good reference that you might wanna take a look at for that gut. It's NSFW, but it's great ref.

That's all I have for you now. Again, It's a good drawing, just a shame you couldn't get the angle right. I hope I did not intimidate you with the whole perspective stuff. Just practice every once in a while and it will soon start to make sense. Most importantly though, have fun with it.

FIGHT ON!

EDIT: OH AND B-MAGE, You're welcome. It has been my pleasure.
Edited by Block Devil, Mar 16 2012, 05:12 AM.
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*o* ohgosh thank you



it's not really that I didn't want to work on the legs, it's that I couldn't for sake of stress xD

The leg part you did helped, though c:
I had been working on that armpad for half an hour.
I couldn't get it to work in terms of the perspective :B


Most of all, the perspective part was the best as it was the central problem I had and covered it well enough to help me :3

umm,
I'm not really used to replying to something like this, so I just uploaded the edit.
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You're welcome~ Nicely done man!
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http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Full-of-Wisdom-55281680
http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Cinnamon-Rolls-69345578
http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Too-Many-Deku-Nuts-142657428
http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Pudgy-Prom-Date-153412973
http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Pudgy-Jasmine-168524890
http://archangeldreadnought.deviantart.com/art/Pudgy-Princesses-210228463

Have at whichever one you want.
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Oooohhh... This is tempting.
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Interesting. I might draw something just for this.
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Mar 20 2012, 08:03 PM
Oooohhh... This is tempting.
I know right?
I kinda want to go again but I feel greedy with this getting popular
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you got some work to do BD get going
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Something I did just recently. It's actually a re-edit of an old pic I did last year. Wanted to see how the changes look and what can improved on the newer image.

NSFW, of course, or two people having sex.

Spoiler: click to toggle
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DoWhatNow please do me a favor and wait your turn. I think it should go without saying that until I finish one critique no one should post any drawings. Or like I said before...
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Now for the sake of me actually being able to go through each of your drawings and sorting things out with y'all I'm gonna ask that you post only 1 drawing for a certain period of time.
Thank you.

I apologize for taking so long, these things take time to make so I appreciate your patience. Hopefully I'll have ArchangelDreadnought's critique ready later tonight.
Edited by Block Devil, Mar 23 2012, 01:13 AM.
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Whoops, sorry. I just took from what you said as that we only submit one drawing at a time and just wait it out until you get to it.
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No worries DWN, just slow down a bit. Can't be taking on everyone at once.

Anyway, let's get this over with

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For Mr.ArcangelDreadnought I decided to dissect this particular piece. Why did I pick this one? Because honestly, there are too many things that aren't exactly working for this picture. I'll address as many as I can.

Right off the bat I noticed one thing...

Inconsistent Angles

Neck Fat??

Excessive Wrinkles
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Had to split my reply in two since apparently there is a limit to how many images I can link...

Shading Notes

BONUS!!! Here's my take on the linework for you to look over at your leisure

Alright then, I really hope that proves as useful to you as I want it to be (It's almost 3 a.m. right now and I'm wondering if any of that made any sense)... In the future, why not let me take a look at something more recent? preferably a drawing in progress that might be giving you trouble? It's always good to know your weak points and target them early on. Until then, try improvising less and using more reference in sticky situations, my advice to you.

Good Luck!
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P.S. DoWhatNow, since you uploaded an image before waiting for others I'm gonna ask that you wait until someone else posts their picture first (someone who isn't B-mage, pewpew or ArchangelDreadnought). When I am done with that entry i'll go ahead and review yours. Is that ok?
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-ignore-
Edited by doubleyou-tee-eff, Mar 23 2012, 06:00 PM.
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no code here!
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Don't you think that's a lot to make him wade through for something that'll already be time-consuming for him?
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You know what;

you're right.

Sorry about that.
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no code here!
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Ah, well, I just meant maybe you should narrow it down to a single pic to help him save some time. Maybe secifically one you feel there might be an issue with you'd like assistance in getting resolved.
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very well

I'd like to see what you'd have to say on this part:

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of this thing:

http://fav.me/d4t7phv

about 3 quarters of the way down I think? I don't have much experience with back lighting so I could use a few tips there
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P.S. DoWhatNow, since you uploaded an image before waiting for others I'm gonna ask that you wait until someone else posts their picture first

hoo boy I'll--
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(someone who isn't B-mage, pewpew or ArchangelDreadnought)

Aw...
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someone who isn't B-mage, pewpew or ArchangelDreadnought? AWW YEA
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Wow just read through this and I love it! We really need more help and tutorials in the BBW drawing community. I remember when I was younger always looking them up and I think I've only ever found like two. Well anyway this is fantastic that you are helping! While others are going I'll be sure to make something new of my own. Seriously it is an honor that you guys are so willing to be honest and helpful, it's something that the community really can benefit from.
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Ok then, sorry about the long wait everyone. I meant to do this Thursday night but certain circumstances prohibited me from such a task. Now let's get cracking.

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Alright doubleyou-tee-eff, judging from your overall work it seems like you already have a decent understanding about basic shading techniques so I'll try to at least point you in the right direction. Before we go into that though, here's a few things I'd like to point out.

THIS FILE SIZE IS TOO DAMN HIGH

Easy on the saturation...

Notes on Anatomy

With that out of the way...

Light and Shadow

And that's all the time I have for today. I feel like I left some things out, but I tried to focus on the important stuff. Keep going at it buddy, your work maybe be a bit bizarre for my tastes, but I like your style. I think you can definitely go far.
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BY THE WAY GUYS, NEXT UP IS DoWhatNow. KEEP YOUR FUCKING PANTS ON 'TIL I AM DONE WITH HIS DRAWING
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FUK U I DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH MY PANTS UNTIL THEN!!

hey i want to take a ticket to get in line for this btw
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FUK U I DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH MY PANTS UNTIL THEN!!

hey i want to take a ticket to get in line for this btw
Gotta beat me to the punch first!
...Beh, who am I kidding, I ain't finishing shit.
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