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Martial Law
Topic Started: Mar 22 2009, 08:32 AM (284 Views)
YesterdaysDreams
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Martial Law

Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.

Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.

Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.

Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.

Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.

Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.

Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."

Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.

Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.

Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.

Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.



~So I am simply asking for opinions here.~
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Okay. I agree with the necessity (take that Ivy:P) to control all things left and right in times of CRISIS. Only CRISISISISISISIIS. Not because granny smith ran out of cookies. Its like when a little kid is playing with fire, you smack the shit out of him. Its for his own good. I disagree with it simply because I hate to be controlled, I hate being told what to do, and I hate listening to other people. I'll refine this later. Anyone takes a swipe at me and i'll clean there shitbox with my fucking fist. I'm drunk. Leave me be.
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I pretty much agree with ShiloFish. But I'd like to add that I don't think everything you mentioned is really a crisis. How is no electricity a "crisis"? Given, if you live in a place where everyone has it, it'd take a lot of getting use to, but that's not a crisis! There are a lot of people even in the U. S. who do not have electricity, I'm just going to use tight religious communities such as the Amish as an example here.

and what does the stock market crash have to do with a crisis? Yes, not only those who actually put money into it will be affected. Anyone with a bank account WILL BE AFFECTED. But what does that have to do with law and order? What? Are people only able to act civil as long as they can have a comfortable living? There are a lot of other countries in the world where people aren't near as fortunate as most Americans are, and I think they can handle keeping law and order on their own...

I mainly oppose martial law because I associate it with dictatorships, and as bad as it can be in this country at times, I'd like to think we're above that... Sometimes, we just have to swallow our worries and make the best of how things are, just go with the flow and stay calm...

That's my two cents anyway.
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the above post was something I found and pasted here, I did not write it but let me explain how no power can be a crisis. In the winter of 99 an icestorm hit NY there was so much ice built up on EVERYTHING that trees, phone and electric poles snapped in half. The northern part of the state was without power for over a month very close to two months. Most people do not have fireplaces and everything is ran off from electricity. My house for example is heated by a furnace that is ran off electricity, the same with my fridge, lights and stove. This storm was termed a crisis simply because there was not enough places to house people for the duration of the storm and repair. There was an phenomanal amount of damage, peoples houses had trees on them, I remember a restuarant had one of those signs on a long pole crashed into it. Street lights were out ... complete and total chaos. I really dont think it was to a degree of having martial law come in but the national guard was involved. I believe that a stock market crash was the cause of the great depression dont quote me I suck with remembering history. For those that lived through the depression and had to stand in breadlines I am pretty sure they thought it was a crisis. I do not believe that money causes people to be civil, complacent maybe. Honestly if electricity isnt a big deal them why would Martial law use it? The public at large rely on it almost entirely, there are very few I know that have the ability to go about a normal day without it. As far as Martial law goes I completely oppose its use. I will admit that there may be a cause for it in very extreme cases. To me Martial law is essentially a way to force submission in a country that was build on the ideal of freedom.
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Thanks for explaining that to me, Kimmie. That makes more sense now!

You see, I've never lived in a big city before, I've always either lived in a small town, or like now, in a little community. I'm not saying that I wouldn't miss electricity, I use it everyday, how could I not miss it? But all the same, I could do without it. In fact, I did without it for quite an extended period once. I forget how long it was, I think it was for like 2 months. And this was during the winter... No, I was not without heat as a lot of people who would be living in the city would have been, but... Think about what that means! We cooked things on a little gas stove! Yeah, it was a hard time. I was like 13 at the time, and we did the best we could until we got another place to live. But quite honestly, I think that was the best time of my life! I can still remember staying up at night reading a Harry Potter or a comic book by the light of an oil lamp... I'd have to say that I wish everyone could experience such a thing at least once in their life. I think it is very freeing to be able to go without electricity, to not spend the whole day in front of the TV or the computer (I didn't have a computer at the time though).

Yes, I believe you are right about the Great Depression, that sounds right to me! But I don't know much about history either, there may have been some other stuff involved... The reason I said what I did was that I don't use banks, and I don't put money in the stock market, and I'd like to think that there are enough people in the world like me that a stock market crash wouldn't be the end of the world, there'd still be enough money out there to keep the economy in good shape. I'm probably wrong about that, but I'd just like to think that. I'd like to think that the dangers aren't so high, but I suppose they really are...

Anyway, thanks for the reply, Kimmie. :)
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So much for "Democracy".
Hello Republic, which the US actually is.
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That it definately is.
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My parents were extremely unconventional or they became that way. When I was 16 my parents bought 27 acres of land in Maury county, Kentucky. This land was extreme country there was no available power source because there the electric companies did not own the right of way to place electric poles on others land. In order for someone to get electricity they had to buy the right of way from the owner or get their permission and then pay for the poles needed to traverse the distance from the closest source. My parents knew this and decided they were going to buy the land and build a house partially in a huge hill on a spot of the property and install solar panels. While they were doing this we lived completely without power. We had running water though not hot water so you can imagine how fun that was for bathing. We also cooked on one of those old wood stoves and at night used oil lamps. I can say that the experience was both frustrating and in a odd way simplistic. There was no watching television, you read for entertainment, took walks and enjoyed some of the things that most people simply dont take the time to admire. Even though at the time I was cursing the seemingly neverending amount of work that stems from not having electricity I look back now and realize that its a part of my life I wouldnt give up if given the chance to do again. I often wonder why my father was so stubborn about not using a generator or anything to that effect and can only deduce he was proving that he could live that way. Figuring out his motives for anything was like walking into a labyrinth, you will most likely get lost in the maze.
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Yes, I remember that I didn't particularly like it when I was experiencing it either! I got use to it, though. I remember when I first moved to this house that I now live in (we never got electricity back at that house, we just moved here) I got up during the night once because I was hungry (I believe this was the first night I spent here), so I made this sandwich... By the light of a flashlight! Yeah, I could have just turned the switch on the wall, but I forgot that I had the convenience of an electric light like that...

It can be frustrating not having electricity, but I think it should be a necessary experience in every person's life. I can't say that I think anyone can truly appreciate any of the important stuff in life without completely abandoning their comfortable ways of life. Without electrical forms of entertainment such as computers and televisions, nature becomes a lot more appealing, doesn't it?

I actually live in Kentucky, by the way. :)
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