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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 14 2009, 07:52 PM (1,207 Views) | |
| Masquerading Doll | Mar 22 2009, 04:04 PM Post #51 |
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Alright. Let me put it like this. I took nothing personal in this thread until you told me to shut up. I'm done wasting my time on this shit. Really. It's old. I was never insulting you. I asked you to look at what he was saying. Instead of looking at what any of the rest of us were saying, you simply kept throwing your own opinions at us. I never told you you were wrong. Get it right. Don't accuse me of shit. Don't try to put it all on me. I'm willing to admit. I've been quite rowdy in this discussion. Take it or leave it. But. You aren't much of a man if you can't take your own blame. Whatever. Your problem. Not mine. I'm done here. |
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| The Poetic Prince | Mar 22 2009, 04:39 PM Post #52 |
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alright, given that, you shouldn't have been so rude about it then. when i wrote out a reply to you, explaining my view that we should agree to disagree, you just said, "ugh, never mind". no, i was NOT "throwing my opinion" at anyone! i was discussing the topic (i was under the impression that that was the point of this forum: to discuss things) and i was defending my views because everyone else was telling me i was wrong because i saw it differently. no, i can take my blame. but i don't like that ALL of it is being placed upon me! you accused me of not being able to see the other side, did you even bother to look at my point before you told me that i only have opinions and michael is right because he has facts? yeah, you remember saying that? you DID tell me that i was wrong! so, you're a liar! but it isn't about right and wrong, it's about opinions. i tried to explain that to you, that we all have our opinions, and we'll all think differently. and you had no respect for that. you didn't want to hear, "we just have to agree to disagree", you wanted to cut my views down because they are different. the only reason i told you to shut up is because you were being so bossy! be nice, and i'll be nice. be rude, and you've seen what the consequences of that is... but i don't really care now. i see how hostile this forum can be, and there are too many people on here that i dislike, so i'm leaving. bye, everyone! |
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| BlenderCat | Mar 22 2009, 04:48 PM Post #53 |
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*yawn* |
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| The Poetic Prince | Mar 22 2009, 05:29 PM Post #54 |
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okay, scratch that "you're a liar" part. i'm sorry i offended you, ivy. if it wasn't for me, of course, this wouldn't have went very far. in fact, the vast majority of the blame is mine with no doubt. i was just particularly pissed off about your involvement in it, that's why i gave you so much shit about it. no, i'm not trying to justify my actions, i know i was wrong to do that, and i'm sincerely sorry for it. but try and look at it from my point of view: i was not throwing my opinion in anyone's face, i realize that it may have appeared so. but i was merely defending my point of view because i felt like it was being attacked. i'm all up for discussing it openly, but i didn't like how you and todd were flaunting michael's education at me, like him being in law school means that his opinion is more valid than mine... i mean, come on! you went as far as to elevate his opinions to facts! how is that not disrespectful to me? you told me that i have my opinion, but michael has facts! if you want to discuss it, then just state your opinion, don't say anything that makes it appear that you look down on my opinion. i respect other views, i don't always agree with what someone says, but so long as their opinion isn't disrespectful toward me or any of my friends in anyway, i try to give all respect that is due. i responded badly, yes. i could have just walked away, but that's not what i do... anyway, i agree with you that this is getting old. if you're still angry with me, after you've cooled down, i'm all for discussing the situation with you. or we can move on and pretend that it never happened. either way, i probably won't be around here much longer. this one bad experience is enough for me, i don't want a repeat of this, and i realize that there are some people that i just can't get along with. i hope you don't think badly of me because of the way i've acted on this thread. i'm not usually like this... |
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| Wiseowl | Mar 29 2009, 11:59 AM Post #55 |
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I'd agree with the death penalty not because of just "eye for an eye" or any other minor thing such as that philosophy. My view is because if you kill enough people - they start to figure it out that no matter what they might do from that one instance that they will notice. Then again, there are some that will still do the actions nevertheless... and it just means you'll be able to clean up quite a bit of the low lives in the world. I know we wouldn't be able to get all of them but I believe that a stiff, iron ruling of using this kind of punishment will be able to crack down a ton of law breakers. I mean hell - look at some of the other countries - I cannot remember off top hand which country this one is, but there's next to crime because even the smallest of misdemeanors have heavy consequences (ex - if you steal anything, no matter what it was - you lose a finger.) Bit extreme, I understand, but I've found that if you want a place to have little or no crime - use the heavy consequences and no one will dare try to break the law. |
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| The Poetic Prince | Mar 29 2009, 06:12 PM Post #56 |
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I actually mentioned that earlier in this thread. It's Saudi Arabia to which you are referring to, I believe. That's the difference between fear and respect... |
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| Wiseowl | Mar 30 2009, 05:24 PM Post #57 |
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*thinks for a moment* sounds right. but that's the thing I found that works. I mean hell - how often do you hear about Saudi Arabia having a problem in terms of law breakers? May lose a few innocents to heavy punishment but it works like a charm. |
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| The Poetic Prince | Mar 30 2009, 11:03 PM Post #58 |
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Yes, perhaps you are right. It's quite interesting, really, I suppose. I actually remember hearing a story that a teacher of mine told me back when I was in high school about Saudi Arabia. I'm not sure if this was supposed to be a true story, or just an example of the kind of thing that happens in Saudi Arabia (for all I know, that teacher could know someone who had actually visited Saudi Arabia). Anyway, the story goes like this: there was this man who dropped his wallet, another man was walking close behind him, the other man picked the wallet up and started running toward the man who had dropped it, yelling after him! The reason? Because he was afraid that he'd be accused of theft! Of course, one may argue that the law cannot be respected, that the only way to enforce legal control is to bring about fear in the heart of the people. But that's an entirely separate topic, I suppose... Of course, you are right about Saudi Arabia. But I'd suggest you do some research into that nation before you praise anything about it. They have bigger problems to worry about. But according to my research, it's no where near as bad as some places in Africa... |
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| Wiseowl | Mar 31 2009, 03:30 PM Post #59 |
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true, I'll need to do more homework about it... but I'd rather have people scared of doing something wrong then have people not even second guess about taking someone's wallet. |
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| ShiloFish | Mar 31 2009, 03:57 PM Post #60 |
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Well, I am just speaking for myself. What you are talking about is basically tyranny. What society leads us to belive is that rulers like Dong Zhou, Lu Bu, the many rulers of Rome, and various other people, who slaughtered their own people, people that were their personal responsibility to protect, are evil. People who steal from the people they should be giving to and basically ruling the government in any way the please. From what I see, you are suggesting that we re-instate people who agree completely with the "By any means" and "For their own good" philosiphy. Hitler ruled with an iron fist, peopled feared him, yet we still saw hundreds of his own countrymen, who shared most of the same ideals as him, defy him openly. His elite personal soldiers and the S.S. inspired terror in everyone who heard of their names, yet many were killed by simple citizens. We also saw America, who I think feared Hitler, defy him him. Russia, a country that was almost completely defenseless defied Germany's invading armies. Past that, what about Hitlers idea's of purity and the means to purify? The countless camps he kept P.O.W.'s in, where the soldiers beat and tortured defenseless men every day, and in the end had to die a death from physical abuse or starvation. What about Hitlers idea to purify the "tainted" jewish population by sending Jewish families to concentration camps, killing the parents, and selecting the few promising children, injecting blue dye into their eyes, and killing them when their experiments failed? All the shit he did was "for the good" of Germany, "for the good" of its people, and what he tried to accomplish by assaulting the rest of the world was "for the good' of the rest of us. I can only imagine what kind of hellish place this world would be if he succeeded, and you are commending people like him? Are you suggesting that all the innocents he murdered were acceptable for his dream? Another question, if the innocents who had to be given up for a working government, and an obeying population, were your family members, would you give them up? Would you give up yourself? P.S. You is one silly Owl ;). |
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