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Eden of the East
Topic Started: Jun 3 2009, 07:59 PM (717 Views)
Shado-Chan
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Just saw bits and pieces of the raw.

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That's all I'm giving you/understood. XD
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R-REALLY?
Yayy~ |D
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Sub's out.

DAMN IT WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR NOVEMBER FOR THE MOVIES?

>.<
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I'm amazed. They got it.

"Someone has to play the knight."
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Damn we have to wait for the movie nao? D:
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Damn we have to wait for the movie nao? D:
Movies They're making two, but I think they come out on the same day. : D

@Ares: AGREED.
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Matto found more stuff on the phones






;_; stupid Japan gets all the cool shit.
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The first movie comes in November, the second is is January...
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@ODD: AGREED

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So... until that time comes, and the thread is either revived or recreated, I do believe it could be appropriate to consider what we would do in our own home countries, given an opportunity like this. What is it that would make someone a messiah?
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Have Rush Limbaugh and his Conservative pals assassinated el oh el.
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I'd take over, make all cities convert to eco-friendly, self sustainable cities, introduce my 4 part government, as opposed to the 3 part one we have now, the 4th being a market control. It would effectively destroy all hunger and need, making money no longer a necessity for life, but a luxury used to buy just wanted items like tv's, computers, etc. I'd fund research into better birth control to prevent the population problem from getting worse, and fix our school system. I'd also give everyone the same rights, unlike now.


This is the ultra, mega, super condensed version of the perfect hybrid-socialist nation done right me and Aaron were talking about. So, yeah.
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OoO

I'm supporting your Government, Gwen. : D
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Hold on. I'll get the chat log. Don't kill me for all the typos. I was worn out, and it was late...

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(2:33:13 AM) Me: I think everything is a people issue
(2:33:29 AM) Me: And political is an excuse we use for the red tape we tie it all up in
(2:33:43 AM) aaron: that's a good way to put it
(2:33:48 AM) aaron: i like that
(2:34:05 AM) aaron: that should be a famous quote
(2:34:16 AM) aaron: if it isnt already
(2:34:16 AM) Me: Nah
(2:34:24 AM) Me: It's nothing profound
(2:34:27 AM) Me: Just common sense
(2:34:43 AM) aaron: well isnt the profound just common sense?
(2:34:57 AM) Me: Nah
(2:35:04 AM) aaron: that those who are nonsensical stumble upon
(2:35:25 AM) Me: the Profound is logic that you would have never gotten to without the help of at least one other person adding to the idea somewhere
(2:35:45 AM) Me: Like
(2:35:52 AM) Me: einstein and releticity
(2:35:54 AM) Me: 2i
(2:35:57 AM) Me: Reletivity
(2:36:12 AM) Me: He would have never gotten there without Newton
(2:36:25 AM) aaron: which his theory paved the way for scrutiny which is leading to new ideas
(2:36:39 AM) Me: He based his ideas on Newtons
(2:37:03 AM) Me: to be Profound is to look at old ideas in a new light
(2:37:13 AM) Me: I don't do that
(2:37:25 AM) Me: I don't use anyone else's ideas
(2:37:39 AM) aaron: then you are a guru
(2:37:42 AM) Me: I'm not claiming originality
(2:37:45 AM) Me: No no
(2:37:54 AM) Me: Of course others have had these ideas
(2:37:59 AM) Me: but i don't study them
(2:38:17 AM) Me: this is stuff that I get when I focu on my own thoughts of society, and reational
(2:38:24 AM) Me: I get ideas here and there
(2:38:35 AM) Me: But most of it gets discarded by new ideas
(2:38:42 AM) aaron: and thus, you are a guru
(2:38:45 AM) Me: No
(2:38:59 AM) aaron: well you're describing an enlightened individual
(2:39:14 AM) Me: what does enlightenment mean?
(2:39:25 AM) Me: It just means you know how to think rationally
(2:39:31 AM) aaron: one who is beyond society
(2:39:39 AM) aaron: and the barriers thereof
(2:39:40 AM) Me: I'm not beyoind it
(2:39:43 AM) Me: No one is beyond it
(2:39:48 AM) aaron: so what are you then?
(2:40:04 AM) Me: No one can be beyond society if they have human contact sometime in their life
(2:40:08 AM) Me: And even then
(2:40:19 AM) Me: Feral children are productions of a society of animals
(2:40:27 AM) Me: Society is everythign
(2:40:31 AM) Me: society is survival
(2:40:41 AM) aaron: and thus i have found the error in my post that you won't bring up
(2:40:55 AM) aaron: because I knew beforehand what it was
(2:41:02 AM) Me: Not going into poilitcal stuff
(2:41:05 AM) aaron: lol
(2:41:07 AM) aaron: okay
(2:41:09 AM) aaron: i tried
(2:41:15 AM) aaron: but I still know
(2:41:17 AM) Me: and fyi
(2:41:17 AM) aaron: heheh
(2:41:20 AM) Me: I'm just a person
(2:41:34 AM) Me: Labels like guru?
(2:41:36 AM) aaron: yeah a really cool person
(2:41:37 AM) Me: Nah
(2:41:55 AM) Me: I like a socialist view of that kind of thing, personally
(2:42:01 AM) Me: I'm not above or below anyone
(2:42:20 AM) Me: We're all equal no matter our creed, race, or background
(2:42:36 AM) Me: We're alll humans, acting on human nature, and doing our best.
(2:42:47 AM) Me: On a planet spinning around the sun on a tilted axis
(2:42:58 AM) aaron: well my views of society is that pure capitalism isn't the best and neither is pure socialism. But a mixture of both, which is tricky, could possibly work
(2:43:22 AM) Me: I thin we're too caught up on the category, and ot on the content.
(2:43:31 AM) Me: not*
(2:43:39 AM) aaron: how so?
(2:43:54 AM) aaron: im describing a belief and action pattern and so are you
(2:44:05 AM) Me: We worry about becoming a dmeocracy, a socialist state, a capitalist state, etc
(2:44:24 AM) Me: Why not worry about the people, then let the order come out of tht?
(2:44:36 AM) aaron: wise words indeed
(2:44:42 AM) aaron: you should hold onto that
(2:44:50 AM) Me: Human interaction is far from logical
(2:44:51 AM) aaron: and when you're old enough, change things
(2:44:56 AM) Me: BUT
(2:44:59 AM) aaron: not that you arent old enough now
(2:45:02 AM) Me: When we do interact
(2:45:06 AM) aaron: but you know, the law
(2:45:09 AM) Me: We build structure naturally
(2:46:04 AM) Me: Also
(2:46:13 AM) Me: I like the idea of Eco-cities.
(2:46:21 AM) Me: I can't find the desgn for the one I liked
(2:46:31 AM) aaron: ecocities?
(2:46:36 AM) aaron: that's a new one
(2:46:40 AM) aaron: please explain
(2:46:45 AM) Me: But it was so efficient, you needed almost no public transportation
(2:46:54 AM) Me: Everything needed was in reach
(2:47:07 AM) Me: Everything was ecology friendly
(2:47:36 AM) Me: It'd require a total restructuring of current city ideas, tho
(2:47:46 AM) Me: It'd require a total topography face lift
(2:48:23 AM) Me: Which would be hard, because of people owning land, people living where they are, etc
(2:48:56 AM) Me: I guess if it came down to it, we could do what we did to the natives
(2:49:05 AM) Me: Wouldn't want that, though.
(2:49:10 AM) Me: horrible shit.
(2:49:12 AM) aaron: which im two tribes
(2:49:16 AM) Me: lol
(2:49:23 AM) Me: I'm like, 1/8th
(2:49:29 AM) Me: Cherokee, I think
(2:49:32 AM) Me: i forget
(2:49:33 AM) aaron: but yeah we fucked them bad
(2:49:41 AM) aaron: yeah im cherokee and choctaw
(2:49:47 AM) Me: meh anyway
(2:49:57 AM) Me: The city designs out there
(2:50:04 AM) Me: they're amazing
(2:50:07 AM) aaron: i wish you had a link
(2:50:13 AM) Me: Just google some
(2:50:15 AM) Me: Eco city
(2:50:16 AM) aaron: have you ever heard of the Venus Project?
(2:50:20 AM) Me: There's tons of ideas
(2:50:24 AM) Me: no
(2:50:57 AM) aaron: they're a revolutionary think-tank trying to get us over the concept of money in general and think purely in terms of resources
(2:51:10 AM) Me: XD
(2:51:16 AM) aaron: and streamlining our society much in the same way as what you're describing
(2:51:24 AM) Me: I'd like that
(2:51:32 AM) Me: but consumerism it embedded too deep
(2:51:53 AM) aaron: not for me and not for you right?
(2:51:55 AM) Me: What you're talking about would require the government tot ake control of manufacturing everything
(2:52:02 AM) aaron: and not for any of my friends
(2:52:02 AM) Me: Localized or federal
(2:52:18 AM) aaron: no it would require the people to make the transition
(2:52:29 AM) aaron: the government is an establishment
(2:52:34 AM) aaron: just like religion
(2:52:39 AM) Me: ewww
(2:52:41 AM) Me: >_>
(2:53:00 AM) aaron: it seeks only to continue it's existence
(2:53:12 AM) aaron: so it wouldnt allow this to happen
(2:53:20 AM) Me: hold on hold on
(2:53:33 AM) Me: `okay
(2:53:40 AM) Me: If we moved toward an eco city
(2:53:45 AM) Me: For one
(2:53:53 AM) Me: to make sure htings ran correcty
(2:54:10 AM) Me: we'd need local city government to help run it.
(2:54:16 AM) aaron: exactly
(2:54:16 AM) Me: a simple one would do
(2:54:19 AM) aaron: LOCAL
(2:54:20 AM) Me: but anyway
(2:54:23 AM) Me: HOLD ON
(2:54:47 AM) Me: The government would eventually be the same as the one we have now
(2:54:55 AM) Me: but eco friendly
(2:54:56 AM) Me: XD
(2:54:59 AM) Me: but hold on
(2:55:02 AM) aaron: no it wouldnt
(2:55:06 AM) Me: it would
(2:55:08 AM) Me: Just hold on
(2:55:11 AM) aaron: how so?
(2:55:15 AM) Me: hold ON
(2:55:18 AM) Me: gawd
(2:55:20 AM) Me: Jst SH
(2:55:50 AM) Me: If we continue our idea of eco city reterraforming
(2:55:56 AM) Me: listen
(2:56:15 AM) Me: Alll the government would do is restructure and adapt
(2:56:27 AM) Me: Not changing anything but the carbon footprint
(2:56:32 AM) Me: like you said
(2:56:37 AM) aaron: who whoa whoa whoa
(2:56:38 AM) Me: It exists to exis
(2:56:42 AM) Me: HOLD ON
(2:56:47 AM) Me: I'M NO WHERE NEAR DONE
(2:56:52 AM) aaron: carbon footprint??
(2:57:00 AM) aaron: okay go on
(2:57:21 AM) Me: eco city = little to no pollutants and little power usage compared to now
(2:57:28 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:57:39 AM) Me: it would reduce our carbon footprint
(2:57:44 AM) Me: Yes, it has an impact
(2:57:55 AM) aaron: of less than 1 percent but okay
(2:58:09 AM) Me: even 3% on the entire world if those right wing figures are even real
(2:58:25 AM) Me: 3% effect on earths climate is stilll HUGE
(2:58:34 AM) Me: That;s just one century
(2:58:38 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:58:44 AM) aaron: sigh... im gonna let you finish
(2:58:49 AM) Me: just shut up
(2:58:51 AM) Me: XD
(2:58:54 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:59:10 AM) Me: The GOVERNEMTN would now change, other than what is need to adapt
(2:59:16 AM) Me: not*
(2:59:21 AM) Me: anyway
(2:59:25 AM) Me: So
(2:59:31 AM) Me: With Venus project
(2:59:44 AM) Me: We use no monetary system?
(2:59:57 AM) Me: Instead, we trade goods only?
(2:59:59 AM) aaron: i havent explained it but yeah
(3:00:04 AM) Me: alright
(3:00:12 AM) Me: I don't see it working.
(3:00:18 AM) Me: BECAUSE
(3:00:31 AM) Me: Not everyone is a farmer, or a manucafturerer
(3:00:45 AM) Me: It would serve for no better than to help the rich, and make the poor poorer
(3:00:52 AM) Me: BUT
(3:01:13 AM) Me: Assuming we get a government overhaul to simplify things a bit
(3:01:27 AM) Me: Make things less opinionated and based on needs and the constitution
(3:01:36 AM) Me: We base things on PEOPLE
(3:01:54 AM) Me: We'd have the Governemtn, as a ssort of socialist state.
(3:01:59 AM) Me: But then
(3:02:04 AM) Me: where is the capitalism?
(3:02:10 AM) aaron: exactly
(3:02:11 AM) aaron: bravo
(3:02:19 AM) Me: gah
(3:02:22 AM) Me: Let me finish
(3:02:41 AM) Me: The government would have to manufacter and farm goods itself.
(3:03:12 AM) Me: In a purelysoialist state, this would be fine, provided we get a nice variety on said goods.
(3:03:19 AM) Me: variety is KEY
(3:03:27 AM) Me: BUT
(3:03:34 AM) Me: the problem with socialist states
(3:03:42 AM) Me: People do not put the people first
(3:03:48 AM) Me: they think only of selfish gain
(3:03:58 AM) aaron: level playing fiel
(3:03:59 AM) aaron: d
(3:04:03 AM) Me: It's human nature
(3:04:07 AM) aaron: ill explain when it's my turn
(3:04:08 AM) Me: now
(3:04:10 AM) Me: Bear with me
(3:04:22 AM) Me: If we hasd said gov' overhaul
(3:04:39 AM) Me: We'd now have a pure socialist society.
(3:04:48 AM) Me: ok?
(3:05:02 AM) Me: So, we'd have the Gov' manufacturing everything, growing all foods.
(3:05:22 AM) Me: Of course, officials are all elected
(3:05:33 AM) Me: Which adds a republic concept
(3:05:37 AM) Me: right?
(3:05:43 AM) Me: Or is that democratic?
(3:05:52 AM) Me: too tired to remember atm
(3:05:56 AM) Me: sorry
(3:06:04 AM) Me: BUT
(3:06:08 AM) aaron: lol
(3:06:16 AM) Me: Officials would be elected
(3:06:18 AM) aaron: keep goin
(3:06:20 AM) Me: and based on the needs
(3:06:29 AM) Me: We'd have official positions
(3:06:47 AM) Me: Obviously we'd have legislative, executive, and judicial
(3:06:55 AM) Me: all powers must remained balanced
(3:07:05 AM) Me: Quick question
(3:07:45 AM) Me: who controls the restrictions and conditions of companies?
(3:07:47 AM) Me: Like
(3:08:21 AM) Me: Obviously we use a law based system, right?
(3:08:26 AM) Me: The rules are laws
(3:08:41 AM) aaron: not necessarily
(3:08:43 AM) aaron: not laws
(3:08:45 AM) aaron: solutions
(3:08:46 AM) Me: hold on
(3:08:52 AM) Me: I'm taling present
(3:08:57 AM) Me: Not future socity
(3:09:02 AM) aaron: okay now yes
(3:09:05 AM) Me: Yeah
(3:09:10 AM) Me: So, what would be an alternative?
(3:09:20 AM) Me: I would think we add a fourth branch
(3:09:36 AM) Me: A Manufacturin Branch, or something of the like
(3:09:43 AM) Me: *Can't type*
(3:09:45 AM) aaron: okay you're almost there
(3:09:48 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(3:09:53 AM) Me: Four branch system now
(3:10:14 AM) Me: Manufaction is now controled by the new branch
(3:10:15 AM) Me: BUT
(3:10:23 AM) Me: Obviously new laws have to go through due process
(3:10:39 AM) Me: We'd start with the obvious child protection, and other common sense stuff
(3:10:52 AM) Me: But after that
(3:11:02 AM) Me: due process
(3:11:19 AM) Me: Ok?
(3:11:26 AM) aaron: mhmm
(3:11:54 AM) Me: so, now that the gov is making products and has to go throgh due process
(3:11:59 AM) Me: Transparency
(3:12:07 AM) aaron: yup
(3:12:11 AM) Me: That's obvious
(3:12:15 AM) Me: anyway
(3:12:23 AM) Me: we also get rid of the electoral college
(3:12:31 AM) aaron: god yes
(3:12:34 AM) Me: I hate that old shit
(3:12:42 AM) Me: We have better alternative
(3:12:46 AM) Me: We have tons of choices
(3:12:50 AM) Me: that can be sorted out
(3:12:52 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(3:12:54 AM) Me: So
(3:13:15 AM) Me: the new branch has now openned up tons of farm and industry jobs
(3:13:52 AM) Me: And up to a certain managmet point
(3:14:04 AM) Me: jobs are purely capitalist
(3:14:12 AM) aaron: yup
(3:14:16 AM) Me: Making the ability to grow and gain more easy
(3:14:35 AM) Me: And obviously no one can break the law for a quick buck
(3:14:44 AM) aaron: equality
(3:14:47 AM) aaron: humanity
(3:14:50 AM) aaron: yes
(3:14:50 AM) Me: Oh
(3:14:52 AM) Me: anyway
(3:15:16 AM) Me: Because we're on a level where we make our own proiducts, obviously prices are cheaper
(3:15:26 AM) Me: they're regularted
(3:15:36 AM) Me: taxes are done acoring to income
(3:15:48 AM) Me: blah
(3:15:51 AM) Me: can'tt ype tired
(3:16:22 AM) aaron: you're forgetting a few crucial things but keep goin
(3:16:29 AM) Me: hold on
(3:16:40 AM) Me: but still
(3:16:44 AM) aaron: brb, gotta pee, ill catch up
(3:16:48 AM) Me: XD
(3:16:54 AM) Me: Oh
(3:17:04 AM) Me: the Judicial branch loses a bit of people power, tho
(3:17:07 AM) Me: Not gov power
(3:17:12 AM) Me: Just power over life
(3:17:24 AM) Me: It can no longer anything rthan what it was MEANT to do
(3:17:46 AM) aaron: back
(3:17:59 AM) Me: the police will be held under close watch, and not let slide. they will be people entrusted with power, and punished a bit harsher when abusing that power
(3:18:26 AM) Me: they will only be allowed to apprehend people
(3:18:34 AM) Me: and only under fair conditions
(3:18:51 AM) aaron: citizens arrest we have now
(3:18:56 AM) Me: yeah
(3:19:05 AM) Me: But any unnecessary force
(3:19:11 AM) Me: Will be dealt with fairly
(3:19:20 AM) aaron: like tazing 70 year old women
(3:19:24 AM) Me: it will be situational
(3:19:25 AM) Me: Yeah
(3:19:29 AM) Me: Oh
(3:20:15 AM) Me: And the courts will be obviously held under the same scrutiny as politicians, other officials, and the police
(3:20:24 AM) Me: everyone in power is accountable to the police
(3:20:29 AM) Me: people*
(3:20:32 AM) Me: Fuck, my bad
(3:20:36 AM) aaron: gotcha
(3:21:07 AM) Me: but this is a gov of accountability, society, prservation, and transparency
(3:22:01 AM) Me: the military will recieve less special treatment
(3:22:09 AM) Me: They will be fair and accountable too
(3:22:13 AM) aaron: and wrap this back to this utopia of eco and socially friendly stuff
(3:22:26 AM) Me: exactly
(3:22:34 AM) Me: the military does not exist for war
(3:22:45 AM) Me: the military is defense only
(3:22:48 AM) aaron: wow
(3:22:52 AM) aaron: imagine that
(3:22:54 AM) Me: We only attack in last ditch positions
(3:23:06 AM) Me: We get bombed? No sudden raids
(3:23:24 AM) Me: We have to think it out, vote, and everything is obviously the people's will
(3:23:33 AM) Me: Oh
(3:23:38 AM) Me: And education system
(3:23:45 AM) Me: COMPLETE oerhaul
(3:23:54 AM) aaron: you're so close, but there's still a couple things
(3:23:58 AM) aaron: agreed
(3:24:06 AM) Me: But the education system
(3:24:13 AM) Me: Arts will be required
(3:24:20 AM) aaron: why?
(3:24:23 AM) aaron: may i ask
(3:24:24 AM) Me: Because
(3:24:40 AM) Me: The lack of the arts are a major problem
(3:24:48 AM) Me: not just funding
(3:25:14 AM) Me: Compare the stats of those who had Arts in high school to those who only had the sports and required classes
(3:25:45 AM) Me: The suicide rate, shooting rate, and most negative things are higher for sports and requirement only schools
(3:25:50 AM) Me: What do we do?
(3:25:58 AM) Me: Schools MUST have arts programs
(3:26:08 AM) aaron: well what do the arts do to solve that?
(3:26:32 AM) Me: The arts provide a creative outlet for those who do not wish to take part in the sports
(3:26:55 AM) Me: the sports are only kept because they bring in tons of cash
(3:27:07 AM) aaron: and art doesnt?
(3:27:12 AM) Me: Well
(3:27:16 AM) aaron: art is valued on its rarity now
(3:27:19 AM) Me: It didn't as much as Sports
(3:27:20 AM) aaron: which is lame
(3:27:22 AM) Me: Ok
(3:27:24 AM) Me: Look
(3:27:34 AM) Me: Art and sports, waaay back when, were close
(3:27:41 AM) Me: Art may have been a bit higher
(3:27:45 AM) Me: anyway
(3:28:08 AM) Me: Our sulture started to become Sport media influenced
(3:28:18 AM) aaron: i think they go hand in hand. i think they're both awesome in a pure form
(3:28:22 AM) aaron: but go ahead
(3:28:24 AM) Me: No no
(3:28:32 AM) Me: I'm not saying we get rid of them
(3:28:47 AM) aaron: i didnt think you did
(3:28:52 AM) Me: I'm saying we require the arts as part of the curriculum
(3:29:06 AM) aaron: okay. that makes sense
(3:29:09 AM) Me: Oh
(3:29:11 AM) Me: PE
(3:29:17 AM) Me: PE will be required
(3:29:43 AM) aaron: japan makes employees at companies take part in morning pe
(3:29:46 AM) Me: mhmm
(3:29:48 AM) aaron: i think that's cool
(3:29:53 AM) Me: Oh
(3:29:55 AM) Me: PE
(3:30:03 AM) Me: sports are electives
(3:30:22 AM) Me: You have to be in oen arts related class each semester
(3:30:42 AM) aaron: because?
(3:30:52 AM) Me: to create more rounded people
(3:31:15 AM) aaron: rounded? or exceptional?
(3:31:22 AM) Me: Both, preferably
(3:31:27 AM) aaron: mkay\
(3:32:01 AM) Me: It's just a requirement for the reasoning that people should have as much experience in as many things as possible
(3:32:07 AM) Me: Variety is KEY
(3:32:19 AM) aaron: to an extent
(3:32:34 AM) Me: It creates diversity, but can further understanding of one another
(3:32:49 AM) Me: religions will be taxed
(3:33:16 AM) Me: Religion will be kept out of political issues
(3:33:26 AM) Me: Not for a bias
(3:33:41 AM) aaron: why would there be any religion?
(3:33:50 AM) Me: Because
(3:34:00 AM) Me: People do have the right to beleive as they want
(3:34:30 AM) Me: this is a socialist democracy (I think that would be the correct term)
(3:34:37 AM) aaron: okay but why is a religion taxed?
(3:34:57 AM) Me: Religion is taxed for the same reason everything else is
(3:35:05 AM) Me: No one is an exception
(3:35:13 AM) aaron: so then action itself is taxed?
(3:35:18 AM) aaron: or thought?
(3:35:22 AM) Me: no no
(3:36:03 AM) Me: Okay
(3:36:23 AM) Me: when you get payed, when you buy something
(3:36:33 AM) Me: there are taxes, are there not?
(3:36:37 AM) Me: It's a simple concept
(3:36:45 AM) Me: You need taxes for the government to run
(3:36:50 AM) Me: Fair ones
(3:37:27 AM) Me: I'm not sure about Income taxing
(3:37:41 AM) Me: I've not dealt with it yet, and don't know much on the issue
(3:37:50 AM) aaron: so would a buddhist be taxed on his beliefs?
(3:38:12 AM) Me: It's not a belief thing
(3:38:34 AM) Me: It's an official organizations need be taxed thing
(3:38:43 AM) Me: Of course you can have unofficial ones
(3:38:56 AM) aaron: well buddhism has a shitload of followers
(3:39:01 AM) Me: lol
(3:39:06 AM) Me: this is semeantics
(3:39:09 AM) Me: It can be worked out
(3:39:14 AM) Me: It might be obsolete
(3:39:21 AM) Me: it'll be a detail thin
(3:39:24 AM) Me: thing*
(3:39:28 AM) Me: Anyway
(3:39:47 AM) aaron: what about an institution that meets in a home and doesnt collect money
(3:39:51 AM) aaron: is that taxed?
(3:39:58 AM) Me: Like I said
(3:40:04 AM) aaron: just making sure
(3:40:23 AM) Me: I'm thinking it might be more of a rental tax
(3:40:28 AM) Me: Renting public spaces
(3:40:29 AM) aaron: rental?
(3:40:36 AM) aaron: i mean a persons private home
(3:40:44 AM) Me: Private Property?
(3:40:49 AM) aaron: yes
(3:40:53 AM) Me: :/
(3:41:01 AM) Me: Hm
(3:41:10 AM) Me: I don't know yet
(3:41:13 AM) Me: Like I said
(3:41:21 AM) Me: I'm not ENTIRELY sure how taxes will work
(3:41:33 AM) aaron: what about engineers?
(3:41:34 AM) Me: there will definately be sales and pay tax
(3:41:38 AM) Me: ??
(3:41:43 AM) aaron: not in a tax sense
(3:41:54 AM) aaron: but what are your thoughts about the roles of engineers
(3:41:59 AM) Me: like
(3:42:09 AM) Me: You mean development teams?
(3:42:24 AM) aaron: technicians, scientists, architects
(3:42:29 AM) Me: yeah
(3:42:31 AM) Me: I was thinking
(3:42:45 AM) Me: We'll hav manufaturingt regulated and done by the gov, right?
(3:43:00 AM) Me: Obviously the gov will have a stock supply
(3:43:07 AM) aaron: stock?
(3:43:16 AM) aaron: like wallstreet or physical?
(3:43:17 AM) Me: Uhh
(3:43:23 AM) Me: resources
(3:43:25 AM) aaron: k
(3:43:25 AM) Me: Physical
(3:43:30 AM) Me: things to create from
(3:43:37 AM) Me: I mean
(3:43:51 AM) Me: Snce enterprice is regulated and controled
(3:44:12 AM) Me: Why not have the gov hire TEAMS
(3:44:14 AM) Me: Not like
(3:44:22 AM) Me: team teams
(3:44:24 AM) Me: But say
(3:44:32 AM) Me: We want Windows
(3:44:41 AM) Me: But seeing as corporations don't exist
(3:44:51 AM) Me: To produce variety
(3:44:53 AM) Me: For us
(3:45:14 AM) Me: The corporation is hired as a development "Team
(3:45:15 AM) Me: "
(3:45:34 AM) Me: They will get a fair royalty for what theymakes
(3:45:38 AM) Me: Proper funding
(3:45:38 AM) aaron: we already have contractors
(3:45:53 AM) Me: no no
(3:45:56 AM) Me: OIkay
(3:45:58 AM) Me: say for US
(3:46:01 AM) Me: we have THIS
(3:46:03 AM) Me: But sayyy
(3:46:09 AM) Me: Britiain remains as they are
(3:46:30 AM) Me: microsoft is treated as a free trade company in britain
(3:46:34 AM) Me: Well
(3:46:38 AM) Me: In this society
(3:46:47 AM) Me: the company is hired as an extension
(3:47:02 AM) Me: production and everything is stil regulated
(3:47:31 AM) Me: But companies are hired as "third party development teams"
(3:47:46 AM) aaron: i want to get back to this "third party" you mentioned
(3:47:52 AM) aaron: fourth*
(3:48:01 AM) Me: hold on
(3:48:13 AM) Me: all of this is being done inside the fourth branch
(3:48:19 AM) Me: anyway
(3:48:54 AM) Me: It's like free trade, but kept in-country, so production costs, and most prices are donecheaper
(3:49:11 AM) Me: this produces variety
(3:49:17 AM) Me: It makes things cheaper
(3:49:26 AM) Me: People can make more easily
(3:49:30 AM) Me: Jobs are openned up
(3:49:39 AM) aaron: oh here's the venus project's site btw
(3:49:39 AM) aaron: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
(3:49:44 AM) Me: k
(3:49:45 AM) Me: Hold on
(3:50:14 AM) Me: but the Manufacturing Branch
(3:51:28 AM) Me: Manu Branch > Produce > Farming jobs
Manu Branch > Industry > all types of production, managment, etc jobs
(3:51:43 AM) Me: these third party developers
(3:51:48 AM) Me: the companies
(3:52:17 AM) Me: they're funded fairly based on needs, and sales of their previous products.
(3:52:34 AM) Me: They're given FAIR royalty cheacks
(3:52:40 AM) Me: checks*
(3:52:48 AM) Me: Obviously they're banking
(3:53:29 AM) Me: and losing only to the taxes required to recoup the money spent on them, and make a certain % increae of money
(3:53:48 AM) aaron: money?
(3:53:56 AM) Me: Ah
(3:54:00 AM) Me: yeah
(3:54:20 AM) Me: We'd need a new monetary system
(3:54:45 AM) Me: Ah
(3:54:49 AM) Me: btw
(3:54:56 AM) Me: none of this is precoinvieced
(3:54:59 AM) Me: All on the spot
(3:55:06 AM) Me: @_@
(3:55:14 AM) Me: I need to write this out
(3:55:21 AM) Me: Or something
(3:55:28 AM) Me: anyway
(3:55:48 AM) Me: the entire system is based on the idea of moving to Eco cities
(3:56:11 AM) Me: otherwaise, it doesn't much work
(3:56:59 AM) Me: comments? suggestions?
(3:57:30 AM) aaron: in a resource based economy, why do we have need of taxes or business?
(3:57:48 AM) Me: because
(3:58:21 AM) aaron: we have the technology RIGHT NOW to switch from coal and fossil fuels to solar, wind, tidal and geothermal energy which can power the world's infrastructure and transportation FOREVER
(3:58:24 AM) Me: unless you wanna live with no electronics or media, we need variety
(3:58:59 AM) Me: in a new age society
(3:59:06 AM) aaron: we already have electric cars that travel freeway speed for up to 200 miles on a single charge
(3:59:08 AM) Me: Industrialization is needed
(3:59:33 AM) Me: Not talking about power here
(3:59:36 AM) Me: @_@
(3:59:41 AM) Me: Talking about PRODUCTS
(3:59:41 AM) aaron: we have the robotics and computer systems that can run and control agriculture and construction fully automated
(4:00:04 AM) aaron: products are a result of a monetary based economy
(4:00:07 AM) aaron: think out of the box
(4:00:11 AM) Me: uhhh
(4:00:12 AM) Me: no
(4:00:13 AM) aaron: tools
(4:00:18 AM) Me: fuck
(4:00:19 AM) Me: that
(4:00:22 AM) aaron: and utilities
(4:00:27 AM) aaron: are what are needed
(4:00:30 AM) Me: wihtout seperate products, we have to use the base
(4:00:35 AM) Me: We'd have a standard
(4:00:39 AM) Me: No variety or choice
(4:00:43 AM) aaron: we would
(4:00:50 AM) aaron: because of the arts
(4:00:53 AM) aaron: creativity
(4:01:03 AM) aaron: we would fashion designs of our own liking
(4:01:08 AM) Me: My system introduces monetary value for one thing
(4:01:18 AM) Me: products
(4:01:20 AM) Me: Otherwise
(4:01:25 AM) Me: Living expenses are free
(4:01:31 AM) aaron: yup
(4:01:32 AM) Me: food is localized and grown
(4:01:35 AM) aaron: yup
(4:01:50 AM) Me: utilities should be free too, with a socialist soiety
(4:01:59 AM) Me: like I said
(4:02:04 AM) aaron: everything is free when there is an abundance
(4:02:11 AM) Me: the monetary system is syply for the optionsals people want
(4:02:13 AM) aaron: and there can be
(4:02:25 AM) Me: simply*
(4:02:39 AM) Me: and again
(4:02:41 AM) aaron: the monetary system is false and based on real or perceived scarcity
(4:02:52 AM) Me: I don't like the idea of a FULLY modernized society
(4:03:14 AM) Me: I want round the clock staff monitoring and every automated service
(4:03:18 AM) aaron: well we're still living in the damn dark ages
(4:03:30 AM) Me: no no
(4:03:37 AM) Me: I mean
(4:03:52 AM) Me: I odon't like the idea of fully automated things
(4:03:58 AM) aaron: why?
(4:04:00 AM) Me: If it's to be that way
(4:04:19 AM) Me: Because
(4:04:23 AM) Me: Machines glitch
(4:04:26 AM) Me: no program is perfect
(4:04:30 AM) Me: No code unflawed
(4:04:43 AM) Me: And parts break too
(4:04:45 AM) aaron: right and ENGINEERS continually perfect it
(4:05:05 AM) Me: And just for sanitiy's sake
(4:05:19 AM) Me: Just out of pure skepticism
(4:05:37 AM) Me: I don't want AI systems implemented.
(4:05:48 AM) Me: not because I fear a matric society thing
(4:05:49 AM) Me: no
(4:05:51 AM) Me: I mean
(4:05:55 AM) aaron: because you just watched the matrix
(4:05:58 AM) Me: They're still new, glitchy
(4:06:01 AM) Me: Underdeveloped
(4:06:10 AM) Me: no no
(4:06:12 AM) Me: Like I said
(4:06:17 AM) Me: Not for fear of rebelion
(4:06:23 AM) Me: that's pure fiction
(4:06:26 AM) aaron: yeah right now they are when they're stifled by greed-ridden corps
(4:06:35 AM) Me: I just mean
(4:06:42 AM) Me: Until we g them working better
(4:06:46 AM) aaron: just like modified water powered internal combustion engines
(4:06:55 AM) aaron: they exist
(4:07:00 AM) Me: >_>
(4:07:03 AM) aaron: \but they're not "green" enough
(4:07:11 AM) aaron: green as in dollars
(4:07:19 AM) Me: Eh...
(4:07:20 AM) Me: >_>
(4:07:27 AM) Me: Not going there
(4:07:32 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(4:07:34 AM) aaron: lets
(4:07:36 AM) Me: no
(4:07:39 AM) Me: tired
(4:07:44 AM) Me: I wasn't evenm supposed to go here
(4:07:44 AM) aaron: scared
(4:07:55 AM) Me: But you lured me in with promises of Socialism and candy
(4:08:08 AM) aaron: lol we're almost on the same damn page
(4:08:12 AM) Me: XD
(4:08:21 AM) aaron: it's all cool to me
(4:08:25 AM) Me: Like I said
(4:08:27 AM) aaron: even when we disagree
(4:08:36 AM) Me: Strict control is what we need
(4:08:42 AM) Me: But not of the gov on us\
(4:08:46 AM) Me: Of us on the gov.
(4:09:07 AM) aaron: check out that site when you get the chance. it'll explain itself a lot better than i can
(4:09:08 AM) Me: Socialism, CAN work, when done without a leader figure
(4:09:12 AM) Me: Balance the power
(4:09:15 AM) aaron: or money
(4:09:16 AM) Me: spread it to the people
(4:09:30 AM) Me: monetary value will be there
(4:09:36 AM) Me: But recreational use only
(4:09:47 AM) Me: We'll have no need of it for necessities
(4:09:50 AM) aaron: that brings up an interesting point
(4:09:58 AM) aaron: you may be right there
(4:10:04 AM) aaron: not for necessities
(4:10:08 AM) Me: Like I sadi
(4:10:11 AM) aaron: but maybe for dickin around
(4:10:20 AM) Me: Eco Cities and a complete overhaul can fix things easily
(4:10:38 AM) Me: It's not getting rid of it
(4:10:43 AM) Me: It imprvng what we have
(4:10:47 AM) Me: and correcting our mistakers
(4:11:20 AM) aaron: like the venus project says, "it's not perfect, it's just a LOT better than what we have now"
(4:11:26 AM) Me: XD
(4:11:34 AM) Me: hey
(4:11:41 AM) Me: What we need a s aBASIS for this
(4:11:46 AM) Me: we need a good Template
(4:11:53 AM) Me: A good eco city template
(4:13:21 AM) Me: It has to have living spaces, an industry sector, official sector, farming land (Lots), a natural irrgation, a recycling system, and I'd assume an entertainment sector
(4:13:33 AM) Me: anything else?
(4:13:37 AM) Me: Shopping
(4:13:43 AM) aaron: venus project has all that
(4:13:55 AM) aaron: per city
(4:13:59 AM) Me: lol
(4:14:12 AM) Me: the template can vary in look and other things
(4:14:14 AM) aaron: seriously
(4:14:22 AM) aaron: yeah they have different ideas
(4:14:24 AM) Me: The idea is that is can workanywhere
(4:14:25 AM) aaron: on the template
(4:14:40 AM) Me: Oh
(4:14:59 AM) Me: Recreationa sector?
(4:15:03 AM) aaron: yup
(4:15:17 AM) Me: Like, a big park, with all the extras
(4:15:19 AM) aaron: concerts theatres and arts
(4:15:23 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:15:24 AM) aaron: all that
(4:15:43 AM) Me: oh
(4:15:45 AM) Me: Medical
(4:15:47 AM) Me: Biiig
(4:15:57 AM) aaron: yup
(4:15:58 AM) Me: And Medical is government driven
(4:16:05 AM) aaron: probably
(4:16:09 AM) Me: oh hey
(4:16:16 AM) Me: think about it
(4:16:33 AM) Me: Because irelies on the people to make use of the gov.
(4:16:38 AM) Me: which is how it should always be
(4:16:44 AM) Me: the taxes ARE higher
(4:16:59 AM) aaron: under a monetary based economy
(4:17:09 AM) Me: But because money is recreational
(4:17:21 AM) Me: Prices are cheaper
(4:17:35 AM) Me: Because manufacturing things costs alot less
(4:17:52 AM) aaron: because resources are a common heritage of humanity
(4:17:58 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:18:10 AM) Me: Styrofoam has to be done away with, though
(4:18:15 AM) Me: It's wasteful
(4:18:22 AM) Me: It can't be reused
(4:18:36 AM) Me: It actually HARMs the ecosystem
(4:18:45 AM) Me: more than alot fo stuff
(4:18:50 AM) aaron: k
(4:19:08 AM) aaron: plastic bags and aluminum cans dont hurt shit though
(4:19:27 AM) Me: Obviously fossil fuels will last resort things for natural disasters, etc
(4:19:34 AM) aaron: environmentalists that toot that shit can suck it
(4:19:39 AM) Me: and even then, backup solar generators will be there
(4:19:44 AM) aaron: right
(4:19:47 AM) Me: No no
(4:19:54 AM) Me: Plastic and aluminum are ok
(4:20:04 AM) Me: It's the littering that's the problem
(4:20:28 AM) Me: all plastic, metal, paper, and anything else recyclable is to be recycled
(4:20:35 AM) aaron: even then, over 90% of all species that have ever existed are extinct. it happens. we don't kill them all
(4:21:08 AM) Me: Nonurban areas (NOT the city, pretty much) are to be tuned into wildlife preserves
(4:21:10 AM) aaron: we'll be gone too if we don't fix our shit
(4:21:22 AM) Me: so basicaly the entire coninent gets it's animals back
(4:21:33 AM) aaron: sounds good
(4:22:04 AM) aaron: interesting to note that everyone on earth can stand shoulder to shoulder and fill duval county fl
(4:22:05 AM) Me: Hunting will be allowed on non endangered animals
(4:22:10 AM) aaron: not too much space
(4:22:30 AM) Me: oh
(4:22:33 AM) aaron: for food purposes i hope
(4:22:45 AM) Me: I don't really want to say population control will be implemented
(4:22:52 AM) aaron: ...
(4:23:07 AM) Me: But I want contraceptives and such to be improved alot
(4:23:14 AM) aaron: phew
(4:23:23 AM) Me: Population is an issue with humans
(4:23:23 AM) aaron: i thought you were gonna go all eugenics on me
(4:23:27 AM) Me: no no
(4:23:29 AM) Me: Never
(4:23:38 AM) aaron: good
(4:23:39 AM) aaron: lol
(4:23:48 AM) Me: I just mean too many of us, and eventually we WILL have to act like lemmings
(4:23:49 AM) Me: XD
(4:24:14 AM) aaron: meh.. we just need to be more responsible and make the best of the space we have
(4:24:14 AM) Me: It's best if we better our birth control
(4:24:20 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:24:21 AM) Me: Oh
(4:24:30 AM) Me: Deep sea and space exploration
(4:24:42 AM) Me: will be continued as always
(4:24:48 AM) aaron: YES
(4:24:48 AM) Me: XD
(4:25:00 AM) aaron: i like the way you think in your almost there state
(4:25:01 AM) Me: they remain at a stand still
(4:25:03 AM) Me: lol
(4:25:09 AM) aaron: shit
(4:25:11 AM) aaron: lol
(4:25:14 AM) aaron: dammit
(4:25:20 AM) Me: ??
(4:25:23 AM) aaron: physics noob
(4:25:27 AM) Me: lololol
(4:25:31 AM) Me: No no
(4:25:33 AM) Me: I mean
(4:25:50 AM) Me: we don't interfere, except maybe, IF POSSIBLE, budget increases
(4:26:01 AM) Me: Stand still as in we don't alter them
(4:26:10 AM) Me: At least
(4:26:14 AM) Me: I don't think we need to
(4:26:15 AM) aaron: but what if we have the resources
(4:26:20 AM) Me: Argh
(4:26:26 AM) Me: I mean for the worse, stupiddd
(4:26:35 AM) Me: No restructuring without it needed
(4:26:42 AM) aaron: restructuring?
(4:26:49 AM) Me: As in
(4:26:56 AM) Me: During the gov overhaul
(4:27:09 AM) Me: How things get restructured
(4:27:17 AM) Me: space and sea exploration
(4:27:34 AM) Me: Unless they need it, I see no reason to change their official structures
(4:27:42 AM) Me: The way they run
(4:28:01 AM) Me: hmm
(4:28:11 AM) Me: Maybe they shouldn't be offshoots of the military, though.
(4:28:18 AM) aaron: well i don't think they need to necessarily be boosted atm, but eventually, when the need for new tech and medicine arrises, we'll need them
(4:28:27 AM) Me: I know
(4:28:39 AM) Me: oh
(4:29:08 AM) aaron: and colonizing the moon? i think that'd be interesting to see what we could accomplish "just cause"
(4:29:21 AM) aaron: given we had the resources of course
(4:29:25 AM) Me: all but five nukes in the US are to be disabled unless needed in a last resort effort
(4:29:31 AM) Me: Which it shourld NEVER come to
(4:29:39 AM) Me: lol
(4:29:48 AM) aaron: but what about an alien invasion or a comet?
(4:29:55 AM) aaron: we'd need more than 5
(4:30:03 AM) Me: Never gonna happen, and lazars
(4:30:04 AM) Me: duh
(4:30:15 AM) Me: XD
(4:30:16 AM) aaron: they probably have uber lazors
(4:30:27 AM) Me: We'll have a tan
(4:30:29 AM) Me: and shields
(4:30:34 AM) Me: don't worry
(4:30:37 AM) Me: I prepared
(4:30:38 AM) aaron: but teh COmet
(4:30:46 AM) Me: Space cruiserrrr
(4:30:51 AM) Me: CX
(4:31:01 AM) aaron: with antimatter torpedoes?
(4:31:08 AM) Me: Gah
(4:31:11 AM) Me: screw antimatter
(4:31:16 AM) Me: too long to make it
(4:31:30 AM) Me: 40 years and less than enough to cover the top of a dime
(4:31:32 AM) Me: fuck that
(4:31:46 AM) aaron: currently
(4:31:55 AM) Me: 40 more years
(4:32:01 AM) Me: ALMOST TO A NICKEL
(4:32:12 AM) aaron: but hey if i had my necessities covered, i'd make some goddamn antimatter warheads fo sho
(4:32:19 AM) Me: I think we should focus more on the LHC
(4:32:31 AM) Me: god particle ftw
(4:32:46 AM) aaron: Gamma ray cannon
(4:32:53 AM) Me: HULK SMASH
(4:32:54 AM) Me: ?
(4:33:02 AM) aaron: gamma rays
(4:33:06 AM) Me: HULK
(4:33:17 AM) aaron: the most energetic energy in the known universe
(4:33:22 AM) Me: HULIK
(4:33:26 AM) Me: HUUUULK
(4:33:39 AM) aaron: fuck it we'll just launch the jonas bros at the comet
(4:33:46 AM) Me: XDDD
(4:33:52 AM) Me: It'd run away
(4:33:57 AM) aaron: indeed
(4:34:02 AM) aaron: we all win
(4:34:10 AM) aaron: no jonas' and no comet
(4:34:11 AM) Me: And jonas bros die in space
(4:34:12 AM) Me: : D
(4:34:30 AM) Me: k
(4:34:35 AM) Me: I...
(4:34:36 AM) aaron: sounds like a plan
(4:34:39 AM) Me: think I need sleeeep
(4:34:55 AM) aaron: well imma send you the link again so you can bookmark it
(4:34:56 AM) aaron: http://www.thevenusproject.com/
(4:35:00 AM) aaron: doo eeet
(4:35:05 AM) Me: kk
(4:35:08 AM) Me: Hey
(4:35:20 AM) Me: Get on around 3 - 10 pm
(4:35:26 AM) Me: It's when the forum LIIIIVES
(4:35:44 AM) aaron: yeah i woulda been on earlier but corri was fuckin with her myspace
(4:35:51 AM) Me: lool
(4:35:52 AM) Me: K
(4:35:55 AM) Me: Good morning
(4:36:10 AM) aaron: may the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house
(4:36:22 AM) Me: D:
(4:36:27 AM) Me: But we were gonna have a sleep over
(4:36:34 AM) aaron: fuck it
(4:36:36 AM) aaron: have fun
(4:36:42 AM) Me: XD
(4:36:47 AM) Me: my subconcious shaaal
(4:37:01 AM) aaron: latorzzzz
(4:37:02 AM) Me: night



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this is a normal convo between us. But yeah, it obviously has tons of holes, but it was late, and I wasn't perfectly lucid. I do think it should be built upon. I'm just not a majorly political knowitall, so I can't do it alone.
Edited by Gwen, Jun 19 2009, 06:00 PM.
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Matto gives Gewn award for longest fucking post eveah.
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