(2:33:13 AM) Me: I think everything is a people issue
(2:33:29 AM) Me: And political is an excuse we use for the red tape we tie it all up in
(2:33:43 AM) aaron: that's a good way to put it
(2:33:48 AM) aaron: i like that
(2:34:05 AM) aaron: that should be a famous quote
(2:34:16 AM) aaron: if it isnt already
(2:34:16 AM) Me: Nah
(2:34:24 AM) Me: It's nothing profound
(2:34:27 AM) Me: Just common sense
(2:34:43 AM) aaron: well isnt the profound just common sense?
(2:34:57 AM) Me: Nah
(2:35:04 AM) aaron: that those who are nonsensical stumble upon
(2:35:25 AM) Me: the Profound is logic that you would have never gotten to without the help of at least one other person adding to the idea somewhere
(2:35:45 AM) Me: Like
(2:35:52 AM) Me: einstein and releticity
(2:35:54 AM) Me: 2i
(2:35:57 AM) Me: Reletivity
(2:36:12 AM) Me: He would have never gotten there without Newton
(2:36:25 AM) aaron: which his theory paved the way for scrutiny which is leading to new ideas
(2:36:39 AM) Me: He based his ideas on Newtons
(2:37:03 AM) Me: to be Profound is to look at old ideas in a new light
(2:37:13 AM) Me: I don't do that
(2:37:25 AM) Me: I don't use anyone else's ideas
(2:37:39 AM) aaron: then you are a guru
(2:37:42 AM) Me: I'm not claiming originality
(2:37:45 AM) Me: No no
(2:37:54 AM) Me: Of course others have had these ideas
(2:37:59 AM) Me: but i don't study them
(2:38:17 AM) Me: this is stuff that I get when I focu on my own thoughts of society, and reational
(2:38:24 AM) Me: I get ideas here and there
(2:38:35 AM) Me: But most of it gets discarded by new ideas
(2:38:42 AM) aaron: and thus, you are a guru
(2:38:45 AM) Me: No
(2:38:59 AM) aaron: well you're describing an enlightened individual
(2:39:14 AM) Me: what does enlightenment mean?
(2:39:25 AM) Me: It just means you know how to think rationally
(2:39:31 AM) aaron: one who is beyond society
(2:39:39 AM) aaron: and the barriers thereof
(2:39:40 AM) Me: I'm not beyoind it
(2:39:43 AM) Me: No one is beyond it
(2:39:48 AM) aaron: so what are you then?
(2:40:04 AM) Me: No one can be beyond society if they have human contact sometime in their life
(2:40:08 AM) Me: And even then
(2:40:19 AM) Me: Feral children are productions of a society of animals
(2:40:27 AM) Me: Society is everythign
(2:40:31 AM) Me: society is survival
(2:40:41 AM) aaron: and thus i have found the error in my post that you won't bring up
(2:40:55 AM) aaron: because I knew beforehand what it was
(2:41:02 AM) Me: Not going into poilitcal stuff
(2:41:05 AM) aaron: lol
(2:41:07 AM) aaron: okay
(2:41:09 AM) aaron: i tried
(2:41:15 AM) aaron: but I still know
(2:41:17 AM) Me: and fyi
(2:41:17 AM) aaron: heheh
(2:41:20 AM) Me: I'm just a person
(2:41:34 AM) Me: Labels like guru?
(2:41:36 AM) aaron: yeah a really cool person
(2:41:37 AM) Me: Nah
(2:41:55 AM) Me: I like a socialist view of that kind of thing, personally
(2:42:01 AM) Me: I'm not above or below anyone
(2:42:20 AM) Me: We're all equal no matter our creed, race, or background
(2:42:36 AM) Me: We're alll humans, acting on human nature, and doing our best.
(2:42:47 AM) Me: On a planet spinning around the sun on a tilted axis
(2:42:58 AM) aaron: well my views of society is that pure capitalism isn't the best and neither is pure socialism. But a mixture of both, which is tricky, could possibly work
(2:43:22 AM) Me: I thin we're too caught up on the category, and ot on the content.
(2:43:31 AM) Me: not*
(2:43:39 AM) aaron: how so?
(2:43:54 AM) aaron: im describing a belief and action pattern and so are you
(2:44:05 AM) Me: We worry about becoming a dmeocracy, a socialist state, a capitalist state, etc
(2:44:24 AM) Me: Why not worry about the people, then let the order come out of tht?
(2:44:36 AM) aaron: wise words indeed
(2:44:42 AM) aaron: you should hold onto that
(2:44:50 AM) Me: Human interaction is far from logical
(2:44:51 AM) aaron: and when you're old enough, change things
(2:44:56 AM) Me: BUT
(2:44:59 AM) aaron: not that you arent old enough now
(2:45:02 AM) Me: When we do interact
(2:45:06 AM) aaron: but you know, the law
(2:45:09 AM) Me: We build structure naturally
(2:46:04 AM) Me: Also
(2:46:13 AM) Me: I like the idea of Eco-cities.
(2:46:21 AM) Me: I can't find the desgn for the one I liked
(2:46:31 AM) aaron: ecocities?
(2:46:36 AM) aaron: that's a new one
(2:46:40 AM) aaron: please explain
(2:46:45 AM) Me: But it was so efficient, you needed almost no public transportation
(2:46:54 AM) Me: Everything needed was in reach
(2:47:07 AM) Me: Everything was ecology friendly
(2:47:36 AM) Me: It'd require a total restructuring of current city ideas, tho
(2:47:46 AM) Me: It'd require a total topography face lift
(2:48:23 AM) Me: Which would be hard, because of people owning land, people living where they are, etc
(2:48:56 AM) Me: I guess if it came down to it, we could do what we did to the natives
(2:49:05 AM) Me: Wouldn't want that, though.
(2:49:10 AM) Me: horrible shit.
(2:49:12 AM) aaron: which im two tribes
(2:49:16 AM) Me: lol
(2:49:23 AM) Me: I'm like, 1/8th
(2:49:29 AM) Me: Cherokee, I think
(2:49:32 AM) Me: i forget
(2:49:33 AM) aaron: but yeah we fucked them bad
(2:49:41 AM) aaron: yeah im cherokee and choctaw
(2:49:47 AM) Me: meh anyway
(2:49:57 AM) Me: The city designs out there
(2:50:04 AM) Me: they're amazing
(2:50:07 AM) aaron: i wish you had a link
(2:50:13 AM) Me: Just google some
(2:50:15 AM) Me: Eco city
(2:50:16 AM) aaron: have you ever heard of the Venus Project?
(2:50:20 AM) Me: There's tons of ideas
(2:50:24 AM) Me: no
(2:50:57 AM) aaron: they're a revolutionary think-tank trying to get us over the concept of money in general and think purely in terms of resources
(2:51:10 AM) Me: XD
(2:51:16 AM) aaron: and streamlining our society much in the same way as what you're describing
(2:51:24 AM) Me: I'd like that
(2:51:32 AM) Me: but consumerism it embedded too deep
(2:51:53 AM) aaron: not for me and not for you right?
(2:51:55 AM) Me: What you're talking about would require the government tot ake control of manufacturing everything
(2:52:02 AM) aaron: and not for any of my friends
(2:52:02 AM) Me: Localized or federal
(2:52:18 AM) aaron: no it would require the people to make the transition
(2:52:29 AM) aaron: the government is an establishment
(2:52:34 AM) aaron: just like religion
(2:52:39 AM) Me: ewww
(2:52:41 AM) Me: >_>
(2:53:00 AM) aaron: it seeks only to continue it's existence
(2:53:12 AM) aaron: so it wouldnt allow this to happen
(2:53:20 AM) Me: hold on hold on
(2:53:33 AM) Me: `okay
(2:53:40 AM) Me: If we moved toward an eco city
(2:53:45 AM) Me: For one
(2:53:53 AM) Me: to make sure htings ran correcty
(2:54:10 AM) Me: we'd need local city government to help run it.
(2:54:16 AM) aaron: exactly
(2:54:16 AM) Me: a simple one would do
(2:54:19 AM) aaron: LOCAL
(2:54:20 AM) Me: but anyway
(2:54:23 AM) Me: HOLD ON
(2:54:47 AM) Me: The government would eventually be the same as the one we have now
(2:54:55 AM) Me: but eco friendly
(2:54:56 AM) Me: XD
(2:54:59 AM) Me: but hold on
(2:55:02 AM) aaron: no it wouldnt
(2:55:06 AM) Me: it would
(2:55:08 AM) Me: Just hold on
(2:55:11 AM) aaron: how so?
(2:55:15 AM) Me: hold ON
(2:55:18 AM) Me: gawd
(2:55:20 AM) Me: Jst SH
(2:55:50 AM) Me: If we continue our idea of eco city reterraforming
(2:55:56 AM) Me: listen
(2:56:15 AM) Me: Alll the government would do is restructure and adapt
(2:56:27 AM) Me: Not changing anything but the carbon footprint
(2:56:32 AM) Me: like you said
(2:56:37 AM) aaron: who whoa whoa whoa
(2:56:38 AM) Me: It exists to exis
(2:56:42 AM) Me: HOLD ON
(2:56:47 AM) Me: I'M NO WHERE NEAR DONE
(2:56:52 AM) aaron: carbon footprint??
(2:57:00 AM) aaron: okay go on
(2:57:21 AM) Me: eco city = little to no pollutants and little power usage compared to now
(2:57:28 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:57:39 AM) Me: it would reduce our carbon footprint
(2:57:44 AM) Me: Yes, it has an impact
(2:57:55 AM) aaron: of less than 1 percent but okay
(2:58:09 AM) Me: even 3% on the entire world if those right wing figures are even real
(2:58:25 AM) Me: 3% effect on earths climate is stilll HUGE
(2:58:34 AM) Me: That;s just one century
(2:58:38 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:58:44 AM) aaron: sigh... im gonna let you finish
(2:58:49 AM) Me: just shut up
(2:58:51 AM) Me: XD
(2:58:54 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(2:59:10 AM) Me: The GOVERNEMTN would now change, other than what is need to adapt
(2:59:16 AM) Me: not*
(2:59:21 AM) Me: anyway
(2:59:25 AM) Me: So
(2:59:31 AM) Me: With Venus project
(2:59:44 AM) Me: We use no monetary system?
(2:59:57 AM) Me: Instead, we trade goods only?
(2:59:59 AM) aaron: i havent explained it but yeah
(3:00:04 AM) Me: alright
(3:00:12 AM) Me: I don't see it working.
(3:00:18 AM) Me: BECAUSE
(3:00:31 AM) Me: Not everyone is a farmer, or a manucafturerer
(3:00:45 AM) Me: It would serve for no better than to help the rich, and make the poor poorer
(3:00:52 AM) Me: BUT
(3:01:13 AM) Me: Assuming we get a government overhaul to simplify things a bit
(3:01:27 AM) Me: Make things less opinionated and based on needs and the constitution
(3:01:36 AM) Me: We base things on PEOPLE
(3:01:54 AM) Me: We'd have the Governemtn, as a ssort of socialist state.
(3:01:59 AM) Me: But then
(3:02:04 AM) Me: where is the capitalism?
(3:02:10 AM) aaron: exactly
(3:02:11 AM) aaron: bravo
(3:02:19 AM) Me: gah
(3:02:22 AM) Me: Let me finish
(3:02:41 AM) Me: The government would have to manufacter and farm goods itself.
(3:03:12 AM) Me: In a purelysoialist state, this would be fine, provided we get a nice variety on said goods.
(3:03:19 AM) Me: variety is KEY
(3:03:27 AM) Me: BUT
(3:03:34 AM) Me: the problem with socialist states
(3:03:42 AM) Me: People do not put the people first
(3:03:48 AM) Me: they think only of selfish gain
(3:03:58 AM) aaron: level playing fiel
(3:03:59 AM) aaron: d
(3:04:03 AM) Me: It's human nature
(3:04:07 AM) aaron: ill explain when it's my turn
(3:04:08 AM) Me: now
(3:04:10 AM) Me: Bear with me
(3:04:22 AM) Me: If we hasd said gov' overhaul
(3:04:39 AM) Me: We'd now have a pure socialist society.
(3:04:48 AM) Me: ok?
(3:05:02 AM) Me: So, we'd have the Gov' manufacturing everything, growing all foods.
(3:05:22 AM) Me: Of course, officials are all elected
(3:05:33 AM) Me: Which adds a republic concept
(3:05:37 AM) Me: right?
(3:05:43 AM) Me: Or is that democratic?
(3:05:52 AM) Me: too tired to remember atm
(3:05:56 AM) Me: sorry
(3:06:04 AM) Me: BUT
(3:06:08 AM) aaron: lol
(3:06:16 AM) Me: Officials would be elected
(3:06:18 AM) aaron: keep goin
(3:06:20 AM) Me: and based on the needs
(3:06:29 AM) Me: We'd have official positions
(3:06:47 AM) Me: Obviously we'd have legislative, executive, and judicial
(3:06:55 AM) Me: all powers must remained balanced
(3:07:05 AM) Me: Quick question
(3:07:45 AM) Me: who controls the restrictions and conditions of companies?
(3:07:47 AM) Me: Like
(3:08:21 AM) Me: Obviously we use a law based system, right?
(3:08:26 AM) Me: The rules are laws
(3:08:41 AM) aaron: not necessarily
(3:08:43 AM) aaron: not laws
(3:08:45 AM) aaron: solutions
(3:08:46 AM) Me: hold on
(3:08:52 AM) Me: I'm taling present
(3:08:57 AM) Me: Not future socity
(3:09:02 AM) aaron: okay now yes
(3:09:05 AM) Me: Yeah
(3:09:10 AM) Me: So, what would be an alternative?
(3:09:20 AM) Me: I would think we add a fourth branch
(3:09:36 AM) Me: A Manufacturin Branch, or something of the like
(3:09:43 AM) Me: *Can't type*
(3:09:45 AM) aaron: okay you're almost there
(3:09:48 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(3:09:53 AM) Me: Four branch system now
(3:10:14 AM) Me: Manufaction is now controled by the new branch
(3:10:15 AM) Me: BUT
(3:10:23 AM) Me: Obviously new laws have to go through due process
(3:10:39 AM) Me: We'd start with the obvious child protection, and other common sense stuff
(3:10:52 AM) Me: But after that
(3:11:02 AM) Me: due process
(3:11:19 AM) Me: Ok?
(3:11:26 AM) aaron: mhmm
(3:11:54 AM) Me: so, now that the gov is making products and has to go throgh due process
(3:11:59 AM) Me: Transparency
(3:12:07 AM) aaron: yup
(3:12:11 AM) Me: That's obvious
(3:12:15 AM) Me: anyway
(3:12:23 AM) Me: we also get rid of the electoral college
(3:12:31 AM) aaron: god yes
(3:12:34 AM) Me: I hate that old shit
(3:12:42 AM) Me: We have better alternative
(3:12:46 AM) Me: We have tons of choices
(3:12:50 AM) Me: that can be sorted out
(3:12:52 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(3:12:54 AM) Me: So
(3:13:15 AM) Me: the new branch has now openned up tons of farm and industry jobs
(3:13:52 AM) Me: And up to a certain managmet point
(3:14:04 AM) Me: jobs are purely capitalist
(3:14:12 AM) aaron: yup
(3:14:16 AM) Me: Making the ability to grow and gain more easy
(3:14:35 AM) Me: And obviously no one can break the law for a quick buck
(3:14:44 AM) aaron: equality
(3:14:47 AM) aaron: humanity
(3:14:50 AM) aaron: yes
(3:14:50 AM) Me: Oh
(3:14:52 AM) Me: anyway
(3:15:16 AM) Me: Because we're on a level where we make our own proiducts, obviously prices are cheaper
(3:15:26 AM) Me: they're regularted
(3:15:36 AM) Me: taxes are done acoring to income
(3:15:48 AM) Me: blah
(3:15:51 AM) Me: can'tt ype tired
(3:16:22 AM) aaron: you're forgetting a few crucial things but keep goin
(3:16:29 AM) Me: hold on
(3:16:40 AM) Me: but still
(3:16:44 AM) aaron: brb, gotta pee, ill catch up
(3:16:48 AM) Me: XD
(3:16:54 AM) Me: Oh
(3:17:04 AM) Me: the Judicial branch loses a bit of people power, tho
(3:17:07 AM) Me: Not gov power
(3:17:12 AM) Me: Just power over life
(3:17:24 AM) Me: It can no longer anything rthan what it was MEANT to do
(3:17:46 AM) aaron: back
(3:17:59 AM) Me: the police will be held under close watch, and not let slide. they will be people entrusted with power, and punished a bit harsher when abusing that power
(3:18:26 AM) Me: they will only be allowed to apprehend people
(3:18:34 AM) Me: and only under fair conditions
(3:18:51 AM) aaron: citizens arrest we have now
(3:18:56 AM) Me: yeah
(3:19:05 AM) Me: But any unnecessary force
(3:19:11 AM) Me: Will be dealt with fairly
(3:19:20 AM) aaron: like tazing 70 year old women
(3:19:24 AM) Me: it will be situational
(3:19:25 AM) Me: Yeah
(3:19:29 AM) Me: Oh
(3:20:15 AM) Me: And the courts will be obviously held under the same scrutiny as politicians, other officials, and the police
(3:20:24 AM) Me: everyone in power is accountable to the police
(3:20:29 AM) Me: people*
(3:20:32 AM) Me: Fuck, my bad
(3:20:36 AM) aaron: gotcha
(3:21:07 AM) Me: but this is a gov of accountability, society, prservation, and transparency
(3:22:01 AM) Me: the military will recieve less special treatment
(3:22:09 AM) Me: They will be fair and accountable too
(3:22:13 AM) aaron: and wrap this back to this utopia of eco and socially friendly stuff
(3:22:26 AM) Me: exactly
(3:22:34 AM) Me: the military does not exist for war
(3:22:45 AM) Me: the military is defense only
(3:22:48 AM) aaron: wow
(3:22:52 AM) aaron: imagine that
(3:22:54 AM) Me: We only attack in last ditch positions
(3:23:06 AM) Me: We get bombed? No sudden raids
(3:23:24 AM) Me: We have to think it out, vote, and everything is obviously the people's will
(3:23:33 AM) Me: Oh
(3:23:38 AM) Me: And education system
(3:23:45 AM) Me: COMPLETE oerhaul
(3:23:54 AM) aaron: you're so close, but there's still a couple things
(3:23:58 AM) aaron: agreed
(3:24:06 AM) Me: But the education system
(3:24:13 AM) Me: Arts will be required
(3:24:20 AM) aaron: why?
(3:24:23 AM) aaron: may i ask
(3:24:24 AM) Me: Because
(3:24:40 AM) Me: The lack of the arts are a major problem
(3:24:48 AM) Me: not just funding
(3:25:14 AM) Me: Compare the stats of those who had Arts in high school to those who only had the sports and required classes
(3:25:45 AM) Me: The suicide rate, shooting rate, and most negative things are higher for sports and requirement only schools
(3:25:50 AM) Me: What do we do?
(3:25:58 AM) Me: Schools MUST have arts programs
(3:26:08 AM) aaron: well what do the arts do to solve that?
(3:26:32 AM) Me: The arts provide a creative outlet for those who do not wish to take part in the sports
(3:26:55 AM) Me: the sports are only kept because they bring in tons of cash
(3:27:07 AM) aaron: and art doesnt?
(3:27:12 AM) Me: Well
(3:27:16 AM) aaron: art is valued on its rarity now
(3:27:19 AM) Me: It didn't as much as Sports
(3:27:20 AM) aaron: which is lame
(3:27:22 AM) Me: Ok
(3:27:24 AM) Me: Look
(3:27:34 AM) Me: Art and sports, waaay back when, were close
(3:27:41 AM) Me: Art may have been a bit higher
(3:27:45 AM) Me: anyway
(3:28:08 AM) Me: Our sulture started to become Sport media influenced
(3:28:18 AM) aaron: i think they go hand in hand. i think they're both awesome in a pure form
(3:28:22 AM) aaron: but go ahead
(3:28:24 AM) Me: No no
(3:28:32 AM) Me: I'm not saying we get rid of them
(3:28:47 AM) aaron: i didnt think you did
(3:28:52 AM) Me: I'm saying we require the arts as part of the curriculum
(3:29:06 AM) aaron: okay. that makes sense
(3:29:09 AM) Me: Oh
(3:29:11 AM) Me: PE
(3:29:17 AM) Me: PE will be required
(3:29:43 AM) aaron: japan makes employees at companies take part in morning pe
(3:29:46 AM) Me: mhmm
(3:29:48 AM) aaron: i think that's cool
(3:29:53 AM) Me: Oh
(3:29:55 AM) Me: PE
(3:30:03 AM) Me: sports are electives
(3:30:22 AM) Me: You have to be in oen arts related class each semester
(3:30:42 AM) aaron: because?
(3:30:52 AM) Me: to create more rounded people
(3:31:15 AM) aaron: rounded? or exceptional?
(3:31:22 AM) Me: Both, preferably
(3:31:27 AM) aaron: mkay\
(3:32:01 AM) Me: It's just a requirement for the reasoning that people should have as much experience in as many things as possible
(3:32:07 AM) Me: Variety is KEY
(3:32:19 AM) aaron: to an extent
(3:32:34 AM) Me: It creates diversity, but can further understanding of one another
(3:32:49 AM) Me: religions will be taxed
(3:33:16 AM) Me: Religion will be kept out of political issues
(3:33:26 AM) Me: Not for a bias
(3:33:41 AM) aaron: why would there be any religion?
(3:33:50 AM) Me: Because
(3:34:00 AM) Me: People do have the right to beleive as they want
(3:34:30 AM) Me: this is a socialist democracy (I think that would be the correct term)
(3:34:37 AM) aaron: okay but why is a religion taxed?
(3:34:57 AM) Me: Religion is taxed for the same reason everything else is
(3:35:05 AM) Me: No one is an exception
(3:35:13 AM) aaron: so then action itself is taxed?
(3:35:18 AM) aaron: or thought?
(3:35:22 AM) Me: no no
(3:36:03 AM) Me: Okay
(3:36:23 AM) Me: when you get payed, when you buy something
(3:36:33 AM) Me: there are taxes, are there not?
(3:36:37 AM) Me: It's a simple concept
(3:36:45 AM) Me: You need taxes for the government to run
(3:36:50 AM) Me: Fair ones
(3:37:27 AM) Me: I'm not sure about Income taxing
(3:37:41 AM) Me: I've not dealt with it yet, and don't know much on the issue
(3:37:50 AM) aaron: so would a buddhist be taxed on his beliefs?
(3:38:12 AM) Me: It's not a belief thing
(3:38:34 AM) Me: It's an official organizations need be taxed thing
(3:38:43 AM) Me: Of course you can have unofficial ones
(3:38:56 AM) aaron: well buddhism has a shitload of followers
(3:39:01 AM) Me: lol
(3:39:06 AM) Me: this is semeantics
(3:39:09 AM) Me: It can be worked out
(3:39:14 AM) Me: It might be obsolete
(3:39:21 AM) Me: it'll be a detail thin
(3:39:24 AM) Me: thing*
(3:39:28 AM) Me: Anyway
(3:39:47 AM) aaron: what about an institution that meets in a home and doesnt collect money
(3:39:51 AM) aaron: is that taxed?
(3:39:58 AM) Me: Like I said
(3:40:04 AM) aaron: just making sure
(3:40:23 AM) Me: I'm thinking it might be more of a rental tax
(3:40:28 AM) Me: Renting public spaces
(3:40:29 AM) aaron: rental?
(3:40:36 AM) aaron: i mean a persons private home
(3:40:44 AM) Me: Private Property?
(3:40:49 AM) aaron: yes
(3:40:53 AM) Me: :/
(3:41:01 AM) Me: Hm
(3:41:10 AM) Me: I don't know yet
(3:41:13 AM) Me: Like I said
(3:41:21 AM) Me: I'm not ENTIRELY sure how taxes will work
(3:41:33 AM) aaron: what about engineers?
(3:41:34 AM) Me: there will definately be sales and pay tax
(3:41:38 AM) Me: ??
(3:41:43 AM) aaron: not in a tax sense
(3:41:54 AM) aaron: but what are your thoughts about the roles of engineers
(3:41:59 AM) Me: like
(3:42:09 AM) Me: You mean development teams?
(3:42:24 AM) aaron: technicians, scientists, architects
(3:42:29 AM) Me: yeah
(3:42:31 AM) Me: I was thinking
(3:42:45 AM) Me: We'll hav manufaturingt regulated and done by the gov, right?
(3:43:00 AM) Me: Obviously the gov will have a stock supply
(3:43:07 AM) aaron: stock?
(3:43:16 AM) aaron: like wallstreet or physical?
(3:43:17 AM) Me: Uhh
(3:43:23 AM) Me: resources
(3:43:25 AM) aaron: k
(3:43:25 AM) Me: Physical
(3:43:30 AM) Me: things to create from
(3:43:37 AM) Me: I mean
(3:43:51 AM) Me: Snce enterprice is regulated and controled
(3:44:12 AM) Me: Why not have the gov hire TEAMS
(3:44:14 AM) Me: Not like
(3:44:22 AM) Me: team teams
(3:44:24 AM) Me: But say
(3:44:32 AM) Me: We want Windows
(3:44:41 AM) Me: But seeing as corporations don't exist
(3:44:51 AM) Me: To produce variety
(3:44:53 AM) Me: For us
(3:45:14 AM) Me: The corporation is hired as a development "Team
(3:45:15 AM) Me: "
(3:45:34 AM) Me: They will get a fair royalty for what theymakes
(3:45:38 AM) Me: Proper funding
(3:45:38 AM) aaron: we already have contractors
(3:45:53 AM) Me: no no
(3:45:56 AM) Me: OIkay
(3:45:58 AM) Me: say for US
(3:46:01 AM) Me: we have THIS
(3:46:03 AM) Me: But sayyy
(3:46:09 AM) Me: Britiain remains as they are
(3:46:30 AM) Me: microsoft is treated as a free trade company in britain
(3:46:34 AM) Me: Well
(3:46:38 AM) Me: In this society
(3:46:47 AM) Me: the company is hired as an extension
(3:47:02 AM) Me: production and everything is stil regulated
(3:47:31 AM) Me: But companies are hired as "third party development teams"
(3:47:46 AM) aaron: i want to get back to this "third party" you mentioned
(3:47:52 AM) aaron: fourth*
(3:48:01 AM) Me: hold on
(3:48:13 AM) Me: all of this is being done inside the fourth branch
(3:48:19 AM) Me: anyway
(3:48:54 AM) Me: It's like free trade, but kept in-country, so production costs, and most prices are donecheaper
(3:49:11 AM) Me: this produces variety
(3:49:17 AM) Me: It makes things cheaper
(3:49:26 AM) Me: People can make more easily
(3:49:30 AM) Me: Jobs are openned up
(3:49:39 AM) aaron: oh here's the venus project's site btw
(3:49:39 AM) aaron:
http://www.thevenusproject.com/(3:49:44 AM) Me: k
(3:49:45 AM) Me: Hold on
(3:50:14 AM) Me: but the Manufacturing Branch
(3:51:28 AM) Me: Manu Branch > Produce > Farming jobs
Manu Branch > Industry > all types of production, managment, etc jobs
(3:51:43 AM) Me: these third party developers
(3:51:48 AM) Me: the companies
(3:52:17 AM) Me: they're funded fairly based on needs, and sales of their previous products.
(3:52:34 AM) Me: They're given FAIR royalty cheacks
(3:52:40 AM) Me: checks*
(3:52:48 AM) Me: Obviously they're banking
(3:53:29 AM) Me: and losing only to the taxes required to recoup the money spent on them, and make a certain % increae of money
(3:53:48 AM) aaron: money?
(3:53:56 AM) Me: Ah
(3:54:00 AM) Me: yeah
(3:54:20 AM) Me: We'd need a new monetary system
(3:54:45 AM) Me: Ah
(3:54:49 AM) Me: btw
(3:54:56 AM) Me: none of this is precoinvieced
(3:54:59 AM) Me: All on the spot
(3:55:06 AM) Me: @_@
(3:55:14 AM) Me: I need to write this out
(3:55:21 AM) Me: Or something
(3:55:28 AM) Me: anyway
(3:55:48 AM) Me: the entire system is based on the idea of moving to Eco cities
(3:56:11 AM) Me: otherwaise, it doesn't much work
(3:56:59 AM) Me: comments? suggestions?
(3:57:30 AM) aaron: in a resource based economy, why do we have need of taxes or business?
(3:57:48 AM) Me: because
(3:58:21 AM) aaron: we have the technology RIGHT NOW to switch from coal and fossil fuels to solar, wind, tidal and geothermal energy which can power the world's infrastructure and transportation FOREVER
(3:58:24 AM) Me: unless you wanna live with no electronics or media, we need variety
(3:58:59 AM) Me: in a new age society
(3:59:06 AM) aaron: we already have electric cars that travel freeway speed for up to 200 miles on a single charge
(3:59:08 AM) Me: Industrialization is needed
(3:59:33 AM) Me: Not talking about power here
(3:59:36 AM) Me: @_@
(3:59:41 AM) Me: Talking about PRODUCTS
(3:59:41 AM) aaron: we have the robotics and computer systems that can run and control agriculture and construction fully automated
(4:00:04 AM) aaron: products are a result of a monetary based economy
(4:00:07 AM) aaron: think out of the box
(4:00:11 AM) Me: uhhh
(4:00:12 AM) Me: no
(4:00:13 AM) aaron: tools
(4:00:18 AM) Me: fuck
(4:00:19 AM) Me: that
(4:00:22 AM) aaron: and utilities
(4:00:27 AM) aaron: are what are needed
(4:00:30 AM) Me: wihtout seperate products, we have to use the base
(4:00:35 AM) Me: We'd have a standard
(4:00:39 AM) Me: No variety or choice
(4:00:43 AM) aaron: we would
(4:00:50 AM) aaron: because of the arts
(4:00:53 AM) aaron: creativity
(4:01:03 AM) aaron: we would fashion designs of our own liking
(4:01:08 AM) Me: My system introduces monetary value for one thing
(4:01:18 AM) Me: products
(4:01:20 AM) Me: Otherwise
(4:01:25 AM) Me: Living expenses are free
(4:01:31 AM) aaron: yup
(4:01:32 AM) Me: food is localized and grown
(4:01:35 AM) aaron: yup
(4:01:50 AM) Me: utilities should be free too, with a socialist soiety
(4:01:59 AM) Me: like I said
(4:02:04 AM) aaron: everything is free when there is an abundance
(4:02:11 AM) Me: the monetary system is syply for the optionsals people want
(4:02:13 AM) aaron: and there can be
(4:02:25 AM) Me: simply*
(4:02:39 AM) Me: and again
(4:02:41 AM) aaron: the monetary system is false and based on real or perceived scarcity
(4:02:52 AM) Me: I don't like the idea of a FULLY modernized society
(4:03:14 AM) Me: I want round the clock staff monitoring and every automated service
(4:03:18 AM) aaron: well we're still living in the damn dark ages
(4:03:30 AM) Me: no no
(4:03:37 AM) Me: I mean
(4:03:52 AM) Me: I odon't like the idea of fully automated things
(4:03:58 AM) aaron: why?
(4:04:00 AM) Me: If it's to be that way
(4:04:19 AM) Me: Because
(4:04:23 AM) Me: Machines glitch
(4:04:26 AM) Me: no program is perfect
(4:04:30 AM) Me: No code unflawed
(4:04:43 AM) Me: And parts break too
(4:04:45 AM) aaron: right and ENGINEERS continually perfect it
(4:05:05 AM) Me: And just for sanitiy's sake
(4:05:19 AM) Me: Just out of pure skepticism
(4:05:37 AM) Me: I don't want AI systems implemented.
(4:05:48 AM) Me: not because I fear a matric society thing
(4:05:49 AM) Me: no
(4:05:51 AM) Me: I mean
(4:05:55 AM) aaron: because you just watched the matrix
(4:05:58 AM) Me: They're still new, glitchy
(4:06:01 AM) Me: Underdeveloped
(4:06:10 AM) Me: no no
(4:06:12 AM) Me: Like I said
(4:06:17 AM) Me: Not for fear of rebelion
(4:06:23 AM) Me: that's pure fiction
(4:06:26 AM) aaron: yeah right now they are when they're stifled by greed-ridden corps
(4:06:35 AM) Me: I just mean
(4:06:42 AM) Me: Until we g them working better
(4:06:46 AM) aaron: just like modified water powered internal combustion engines
(4:06:55 AM) aaron: they exist
(4:07:00 AM) Me: >_>
(4:07:03 AM) aaron: \but they're not "green" enough
(4:07:11 AM) aaron: green as in dollars
(4:07:19 AM) Me: Eh...
(4:07:20 AM) Me: >_>
(4:07:27 AM) Me: Not going there
(4:07:32 AM) Me: ANYWAY
(4:07:34 AM) aaron: lets
(4:07:36 AM) Me: no
(4:07:39 AM) Me: tired
(4:07:44 AM) Me: I wasn't evenm supposed to go here
(4:07:44 AM) aaron: scared
(4:07:55 AM) Me: But you lured me in with promises of Socialism and candy
(4:08:08 AM) aaron: lol we're almost on the same damn page
(4:08:12 AM) Me: XD
(4:08:21 AM) aaron: it's all cool to me
(4:08:25 AM) Me: Like I said
(4:08:27 AM) aaron: even when we disagree
(4:08:36 AM) Me: Strict control is what we need
(4:08:42 AM) Me: But not of the gov on us\
(4:08:46 AM) Me: Of us on the gov.
(4:09:07 AM) aaron: check out that site when you get the chance. it'll explain itself a lot better than i can
(4:09:08 AM) Me: Socialism, CAN work, when done without a leader figure
(4:09:12 AM) Me: Balance the power
(4:09:15 AM) aaron: or money
(4:09:16 AM) Me: spread it to the people
(4:09:30 AM) Me: monetary value will be there
(4:09:36 AM) Me: But recreational use only
(4:09:47 AM) Me: We'll have no need of it for necessities
(4:09:50 AM) aaron: that brings up an interesting point
(4:09:58 AM) aaron: you may be right there
(4:10:04 AM) aaron: not for necessities
(4:10:08 AM) Me: Like I sadi
(4:10:11 AM) aaron: but maybe for dickin around
(4:10:20 AM) Me: Eco Cities and a complete overhaul can fix things easily
(4:10:38 AM) Me: It's not getting rid of it
(4:10:43 AM) Me: It imprvng what we have
(4:10:47 AM) Me: and correcting our mistakers
(4:11:20 AM) aaron: like the venus project says, "it's not perfect, it's just a LOT better than what we have now"
(4:11:26 AM) Me: XD
(4:11:34 AM) Me: hey
(4:11:41 AM) Me: What we need a s aBASIS for this
(4:11:46 AM) Me: we need a good Template
(4:11:53 AM) Me: A good eco city template
(4:13:21 AM) Me: It has to have living spaces, an industry sector, official sector, farming land (Lots), a natural irrgation, a recycling system, and I'd assume an entertainment sector
(4:13:33 AM) Me: anything else?
(4:13:37 AM) Me: Shopping
(4:13:43 AM) aaron: venus project has all that
(4:13:55 AM) aaron: per city
(4:13:59 AM) Me: lol
(4:14:12 AM) Me: the template can vary in look and other things
(4:14:14 AM) aaron: seriously
(4:14:22 AM) aaron: yeah they have different ideas
(4:14:24 AM) Me: The idea is that is can workanywhere
(4:14:25 AM) aaron: on the template
(4:14:40 AM) Me: Oh
(4:14:59 AM) Me: Recreationa sector?
(4:15:03 AM) aaron: yup
(4:15:17 AM) Me: Like, a big park, with all the extras
(4:15:19 AM) aaron: concerts theatres and arts
(4:15:23 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:15:24 AM) aaron: all that
(4:15:43 AM) Me: oh
(4:15:45 AM) Me: Medical
(4:15:47 AM) Me: Biiig
(4:15:57 AM) aaron: yup
(4:15:58 AM) Me: And Medical is government driven
(4:16:05 AM) aaron: probably
(4:16:09 AM) Me: oh hey
(4:16:16 AM) Me: think about it
(4:16:33 AM) Me: Because irelies on the people to make use of the gov.
(4:16:38 AM) Me: which is how it should always be
(4:16:44 AM) Me: the taxes ARE higher
(4:16:59 AM) aaron: under a monetary based economy
(4:17:09 AM) Me: But because money is recreational
(4:17:21 AM) Me: Prices are cheaper
(4:17:35 AM) Me: Because manufacturing things costs alot less
(4:17:52 AM) aaron: because resources are a common heritage of humanity
(4:17:58 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:18:10 AM) Me: Styrofoam has to be done away with, though
(4:18:15 AM) Me: It's wasteful
(4:18:22 AM) Me: It can't be reused
(4:18:36 AM) Me: It actually HARMs the ecosystem
(4:18:45 AM) Me: more than alot fo stuff
(4:18:50 AM) aaron: k
(4:19:08 AM) aaron: plastic bags and aluminum cans dont hurt shit though
(4:19:27 AM) Me: Obviously fossil fuels will last resort things for natural disasters, etc
(4:19:34 AM) aaron: environmentalists that toot that shit can suck it
(4:19:39 AM) Me: and even then, backup solar generators will be there
(4:19:44 AM) aaron: right
(4:19:47 AM) Me: No no
(4:19:54 AM) Me: Plastic and aluminum are ok
(4:20:04 AM) Me: It's the littering that's the problem
(4:20:28 AM) Me: all plastic, metal, paper, and anything else recyclable is to be recycled
(4:20:35 AM) aaron: even then, over 90% of all species that have ever existed are extinct. it happens. we don't kill them all
(4:21:08 AM) Me: Nonurban areas (NOT the city, pretty much) are to be tuned into wildlife preserves
(4:21:10 AM) aaron: we'll be gone too if we don't fix our shit
(4:21:22 AM) Me: so basicaly the entire coninent gets it's animals back
(4:21:33 AM) aaron: sounds good
(4:22:04 AM) aaron: interesting to note that everyone on earth can stand shoulder to shoulder and fill duval county fl
(4:22:05 AM) Me: Hunting will be allowed on non endangered animals
(4:22:10 AM) aaron: not too much space
(4:22:30 AM) Me: oh
(4:22:33 AM) aaron: for food purposes i hope
(4:22:45 AM) Me: I don't really want to say population control will be implemented
(4:22:52 AM) aaron: ...
(4:23:07 AM) Me: But I want contraceptives and such to be improved alot
(4:23:14 AM) aaron: phew
(4:23:23 AM) Me: Population is an issue with humans
(4:23:23 AM) aaron: i thought you were gonna go all eugenics on me
(4:23:27 AM) Me: no no
(4:23:29 AM) Me: Never
(4:23:38 AM) aaron: good
(4:23:39 AM) aaron: lol
(4:23:48 AM) Me: I just mean too many of us, and eventually we WILL have to act like lemmings
(4:23:49 AM) Me: XD
(4:24:14 AM) aaron: meh.. we just need to be more responsible and make the best of the space we have
(4:24:14 AM) Me: It's best if we better our birth control
(4:24:20 AM) Me: mhmm
(4:24:21 AM) Me: Oh
(4:24:30 AM) Me: Deep sea and space exploration
(4:24:42 AM) Me: will be continued as always
(4:24:48 AM) aaron: YES
(4:24:48 AM) Me: XD
(4:25:00 AM) aaron: i like the way you think in your almost there state
(4:25:01 AM) Me: they remain at a stand still
(4:25:03 AM) Me: lol
(4:25:09 AM) aaron: shit
(4:25:11 AM) aaron: lol
(4:25:14 AM) aaron: dammit
(4:25:20 AM) Me: ??
(4:25:23 AM) aaron: physics noob
(4:25:27 AM) Me: lololol
(4:25:31 AM) Me: No no
(4:25:33 AM) Me: I mean
(4:25:50 AM) Me: we don't interfere, except maybe, IF POSSIBLE, budget increases
(4:26:01 AM) Me: Stand still as in we don't alter them
(4:26:10 AM) Me: At least
(4:26:14 AM) Me: I don't think we need to
(4:26:15 AM) aaron: but what if we have the resources
(4:26:20 AM) Me: Argh
(4:26:26 AM) Me: I mean for the worse, stupiddd
(4:26:35 AM) Me: No restructuring without it needed
(4:26:42 AM) aaron: restructuring?
(4:26:49 AM) Me: As in
(4:26:56 AM) Me: During the gov overhaul
(4:27:09 AM) Me: How things get restructured
(4:27:17 AM) Me: space and sea exploration
(4:27:34 AM) Me: Unless they need it, I see no reason to change their official structures
(4:27:42 AM) Me: The way they run
(4:28:01 AM) Me: hmm
(4:28:11 AM) Me: Maybe they shouldn't be offshoots of the military, though.
(4:28:18 AM) aaron: well i don't think they need to necessarily be boosted atm, but eventually, when the need for new tech and medicine arrises, we'll need them
(4:28:27 AM) Me: I know
(4:28:39 AM) Me: oh
(4:29:08 AM) aaron: and colonizing the moon? i think that'd be interesting to see what we could accomplish "just cause"
(4:29:21 AM) aaron: given we had the resources of course
(4:29:25 AM) Me: all but five nukes in the US are to be disabled unless needed in a last resort effort
(4:29:31 AM) Me: Which it shourld NEVER come to
(4:29:39 AM) Me: lol
(4:29:48 AM) aaron: but what about an alien invasion or a comet?
(4:29:55 AM) aaron: we'd need more than 5
(4:30:03 AM) Me: Never gonna happen, and lazars
(4:30:04 AM) Me: duh
(4:30:15 AM) Me: XD
(4:30:16 AM) aaron: they probably have uber lazors
(4:30:27 AM) Me: We'll have a tan
(4:30:29 AM) Me: and shields
(4:30:34 AM) Me: don't worry
(4:30:37 AM) Me: I prepared
(4:30:38 AM) aaron: but teh COmet
(4:30:46 AM) Me: Space cruiserrrr
(4:30:51 AM) Me: CX
(4:31:01 AM) aaron: with antimatter torpedoes?
(4:31:08 AM) Me: Gah
(4:31:11 AM) Me: screw antimatter
(4:31:16 AM) Me: too long to make it
(4:31:30 AM) Me: 40 years and less than enough to cover the top of a dime
(4:31:32 AM) Me: fuck that
(4:31:46 AM) aaron: currently
(4:31:55 AM) Me: 40 more years
(4:32:01 AM) Me: ALMOST TO A NICKEL
(4:32:12 AM) aaron: but hey if i had my necessities covered, i'd make some goddamn antimatter warheads fo sho
(4:32:19 AM) Me: I think we should focus more on the LHC
(4:32:31 AM) Me: god particle ftw
(4:32:46 AM) aaron: Gamma ray cannon
(4:32:53 AM) Me: HULK SMASH
(4:32:54 AM) Me: ?
(4:33:02 AM) aaron: gamma rays
(4:33:06 AM) Me: HULK
(4:33:17 AM) aaron: the most energetic energy in the known universe
(4:33:22 AM) Me: HULIK
(4:33:26 AM) Me: HUUUULK
(4:33:39 AM) aaron: fuck it we'll just launch the jonas bros at the comet
(4:33:46 AM) Me: XDDD
(4:33:52 AM) Me: It'd run away
(4:33:57 AM) aaron: indeed
(4:34:02 AM) aaron: we all win
(4:34:10 AM) aaron: no jonas' and no comet
(4:34:11 AM) Me: And jonas bros die in space
(4:34:12 AM) Me: : D
(4:34:30 AM) Me: k
(4:34:35 AM) Me: I...
(4:34:36 AM) aaron: sounds like a plan
(4:34:39 AM) Me: think I need sleeeep
(4:34:55 AM) aaron: well imma send you the link again so you can bookmark it
(4:34:56 AM) aaron:
http://www.thevenusproject.com/(4:35:00 AM) aaron: doo eeet
(4:35:05 AM) Me: kk
(4:35:08 AM) Me: Hey
(4:35:20 AM) Me: Get on around 3 - 10 pm
(4:35:26 AM) Me: It's when the forum LIIIIVES
(4:35:44 AM) aaron: yeah i woulda been on earlier but corri was fuckin with her myspace
(4:35:51 AM) Me: lool
(4:35:52 AM) Me: K
(4:35:55 AM) Me: Good morning
(4:36:10 AM) aaron: may the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house
(4:36:22 AM) Me: D:
(4:36:27 AM) Me: But we were gonna have a sleep over
(4:36:34 AM) aaron: fuck it
(4:36:36 AM) aaron: have fun
(4:36:42 AM) Me: XD
(4:36:47 AM) Me: my subconcious shaaal
(4:37:01 AM) aaron: latorzzzz
(4:37:02 AM) Me: night