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| BABruin | Mar 14 2011, 05:19 PM Post #1 |
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Two more days!!! Yay!!! So is everyone excited????? My sister had asked Matthew what new thing he was working on and he immediately said, "I've just directed another episode of CM!!" He sounded soooo proud of that achievement! Yahoo!! I for one, can't wait to see how he handled several sensitive issues= Prentiss/Paget leaving the team, JJ/AJ's return, revelation of Prentiss's secret past, action sequences with or without cool Ninja moves, among other things. Just wondering if he'll throw in his trademark quirkiness in some of the details. Bring it on!!!!! Is it Wednesday yet????
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| Lola | Mar 14 2011, 06:00 PM Post #2 |
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THE BABE OF THE BOSS
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And MGG seems to have directing again! PIC PIC PIC |
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| BABruin | Mar 14 2011, 08:53 PM Post #3 |
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thanks for the pics, Outi. Sooo, what exactly was he directing in the first pic???
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| paolafromparis | Mar 15 2011, 06:33 AM Post #4 |
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THE BOSS
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mmm...
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| Lola | Mar 17 2011, 02:18 PM Post #5 |
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Wow. Prentiss beaten again. I like team episodes like this. And that suspense until the end! Spoiler: click to toggle MGG did a great job again, both as an actor and a director.
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| BABruin | Mar 17 2011, 08:43 PM Post #6 |
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Ummmmm, I hate to say anything cuz everybody in the whole world is praising this episode to high heaven. But this one was soooo confusing to me. Maybe I missed some expository clues since I didn't see Coda or maybe I need to take Gun Smugglers Relationship with International Cartel 101! But I was so confused that if Jar Jar Binks walked in on a scene, I wouldn't have blinked. So what was the North Korean interest in Doyle??? Why did S. Broche bring in all that money and all of the sudden he was the good guy??? Then the sudden change in focus to the son was jarring. I didn't understand the need to make the kid a pawn with the North Koreans. Then I didn't understand why Prentiss felt that she need to still keep Doyle away from his own son. That is a judgement call on her part. I would be pissed if someone kept my son from me because they thought I would be a bad influence. A lot of "respectable" people came from "bad" money because they were able to rise above the seediness. Doyle looked like a good Dad even if he ran an illegal operation. He kept his son protected, sheltered, and loved. It wasn't like he was reading Dr. Suess's "If I Ran a Smuggling Ring" to him in the nursery. So I didn't agree that she should keep the son's whereabout a secret from him. Maybe someone could explain the entire plot better to me or I have to rewatch and really, really listen carefully to what people are saying. At first watch, too much was going on. I was hoping for more of a warm reunion with JJ. I know it's not the Oprah Winfrey show with holding hands and singing Kumbaya moments but she just walked in and gave out facts. I was hoping for more "hey, how's LaMumbles and the kid, and BTW, how about that Prentiss and those smooth Ninja moves of her! (and it turned out she was a nice Ninja who really didn't kill anyone, such a nice girl!)." Considering the time restraints, they did manage to squeeze in some nice intimate moments between the other team members. Kudos for Garcia crying on the voicemail and Prentiss tearing up. Kudos on the humor in the interrogation room with beanpole and Reid's sardonic "yeah, hood-rat". It was an interesting take on Morgan being so angry that Prentiss withheld so much info about herself from him. He seemed so angry that she had such a scuzzball/boyfriend. 2 weak moments- the smoking on the rooftop! I know California has tough no-smoking laws in the workplace but to expose a valuable witness who is a target of a ruthless gang to be out in the open like that was a silly set-up. I was thinking how all the anti-Seaver people were probably chanting "shoot the girl!". It was too unbelieveable that Garcia could have located that particular building Prentiss was tortured in just by those general parameters. There must be tons of large, empty buildings like that in Boston. MGG did a great job directing with what the script was trying to convey despite all the convolutions. Prentiss gets a noble send-off, the team is sad to see her go (great crying and hugging scene with JJ!) and the team will live on to conquer more unsubs. I'll have to rewatch to catch all the nuances like camera angles, music, editing, and lighting. And the plot. |
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| suceress | Mar 18 2011, 01:10 AM Post #7 |
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Not all of this was explained in the episode but this is what I have gathered: I think the whole spy thing was just not written all that well. I think it was one of those details that was part of the plot but the specifics were not important to the plot development. Since the writers don't seem to know much about Interpol and such I think that in directing and giving exposition they did a decent job. Basically Prentiss worked with the CIA and Interpol (not clear if she was in interpol) as part of a multi-agency task force. Ian Doyle was apparently an IRA member who had at one time actively participated in the terrorism/murders that the IRA committed. Apparently after 9-11 there was a ceasefire called by the IRA. That left Doyle without a mission so he became a mercenary who sold weapons. Weapons dealers are notorious for being very cutthroat and dangerous. The multi-agencies wanted information from Doyle about his contacts, who he was buying weapons from, and who his buyers were. Most countries have laws about the treatment of prisoners which would not allow certain methods of interrogation. The Korean prisons were found to rival the internment camps of the Nazis. So basically they sent Doyle to a secret Korean prison where they could use more extreme methods to try to extract information. For all of those years he wouldn't break down and tell them anything-- allegedly under torture (which, btw, is recognized by the US military as an ineffective method of gathering data because people will lie and just tell the interrogators what they want to hear to avoid torture). Despite the fact that in the last episode Emily didn't know that Doyle had been moved to a Korean prison, she seems to have forgotten that in this episode. Probably a writing inconsistency. As for the thing with the son, if you watch one of the flashbacks again you can see that when Emily is saying she doesn't know if she can act like a mother to Declan (and tries to appeal to Doyle to leave the criminal life behind and start fresh as a regular guy), Doyle declared that he is a warrior and he will raise his son to be a warrior. Basically he was saying that he fully intended to have his son be a part of the family business when he grew up-- continuing the cycle of violence. The child would be forced into the world of gun dealing whether he wanted to or not and would eventually be in danger as an adult. Essentially he was being doomed to the same difficult life as his father. Prentiss didn't want that life for him. She wanted him to have a a fair shot at a normal life so she decided to rescue Declan from that world. Clyde realized he was in danger (because Jeremy-- Tsia's fiance-- had sold out his team to Doyle's people) and did precisely what Garcia suggested earlier (cleaned out his bank account and was heading out to live on cash somewhere far away). Doyle would have come after him sooner or later. I thought it was absolutely stupid that they took the guy up on the rooftop. At first when they said he smoked I thought they would find a way to sneak in poisoned cigarettes or something.. But no.. Stupid plot and lazy writing... I think Morgan was upset that Prentiss didn't seem to trust him enough to tell him the truth, she didn't warn him when she knew he (and the other team members) were in danger. She continued to play dumb in front of him. I think he was partially angry at himself for believing her lies and not realizing there was a huge part of her past that he had no idea about. He suddenly found himself not really knowing who it was he'd been working with all those years and I think he felt a little betrayed. I think he was also just very worried about her so he was venting. He basically said that he didn't have a problem with her having to sleep with the enemy. It was lying to him and the team that bugged him. I agree the resolution of Garcia finding the building so quickly seemed odd. It was interesting how they matched up the information Garcia was bringing up with the things Prentiss was revealing to Doyle. I love that for just a few moments the audience was left to wonder whether or not Prentiss had actually killed a child to "save" him from the same fate as his father. I was a little disappointed that they didn't run up and hug JJ when she came in. She actually seemed a little colder than usual-- but she was all business. There was a minor leap about how they had just found out about the involvement of Prentiss in the case and JJ just walked in as if she already knew-- but perhaps she did. I understand why they didn't have the dramatic hugging when she entered though-- I mean, I know AJ has been gone from the set for awhile but JJ still lives in the same place. She just works somewhere else now. So the team members probably still keep in touch with her. I loved the look on Hotch's face as he was talking to Clyde. You could tell he was very torn and he looked quite emotional. It seemed like he was getting ready to cry at some points because he was so worried about Prentiss. Later on I was puzzled at how little he seemed to react to the news of Prentiss dying but as soon as JJ approached him in the hallway I realized he was in on it. Very nice subtle acting on the parts of Thomas and AJ. I loved the look on JJ's face when she was hugging Reid and you could see she wanted to tell him. I was surprised that Rossi cried. Seaver seemed to put out the least emotion-- which is odd bc she was such a basketcase in her first episode. Although maybe she was just in shock. The music for the ending scenes and the way they were filmed were great. I'm a sucker for sappy violin music and the beats of the music were great. I also loved the image of Hotch framed like a photo through the window on the door. Great visuals in this one. I wonder why Ambassador Prentiss wasn't at the funeral... Edited by suceress, Mar 18 2011, 01:11 AM.
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| Mirri | Mar 19 2011, 04:43 PM Post #8 |
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JM tweeted a while back something along the lines that this episode would be better than "100". I certainly agree with that but considering that I didn't think "100" was very good that is certainly not high praise from me. I found "Lauren" to be confusing on first watch as well, I missed so many things the first time. I have to watch CM on CBS as CTV is showing American Idol and I find the sound on CBS to be crap, I have to turn the volume way up on my tv and I still missed things. The editing for the commercials was pretty bad too. Several times after a commercial CM would start again abruptly and it felt to me that snippets of scenes were cut. I watched it again yesterday in the peace and quiet of the afternoon and was able to pick up a lot more and hence liked it a lot better. Another reason for Emily to make everyone think Declan was dead was she was afraid that Interpol would find out about his existence and that she was afraid that if they did they would use him as a pawn to get info out of Doyle. She told Doyle near the end that she only told Interpol about Declan's existence only after she took the staged photos and he and his "mom" were sent off to an unknown location. Seems like J.J. has had another job change. She left the BAU to take a job at the Department of Defense and now she is working for the State Department. I'm really not familiar with the various U.S. government departments, are they somehow related? Or is this just another continuity error. I know a lot of people dislike the Seaver character but I kind of like her, even though I don't think she's all that necessary (I've always thought CM has too many characters). I think I'm starting to really like her and Rossi's mentor relationship. While I agree the rooftop was not a smart location I did like the scene and their follow up scene inside. I agree with suceress that Garcia found that building way too fast with so little info to go on. They have been doing that a lot lately. I know she is suppose to be a tech goddess but this is getting to be way too ridiculous IMO. I'm wondering if Emily had some feelings for Doyle. She did keep the necklace for all these years until she finally tried to flush it in the previous episode. I really do wonder if she would have helped Doyle if he had taken her up on her offer. I thought the last few minutes of the ep was totally awesome. I cried just as much on second viewing as I did on first. I hope they have some follow up to this and not have everyone be back to normal in the next episode. Even if PB's sitcom pilot does get picked up and she does not return to CM next season I do hope that she will eventually make a guest appearance and that the rest of the team does find out that she is still alive. I hope they let us know what has happened to Sergio. This kitty mama is going to be horribly pissed if they don't. |
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| suceress | Mar 22 2011, 05:43 AM Post #9 |
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I wonder if Emily kept the necklace as a reminder of Declan rather than of Doyle.... Or maybe she actually developed feelings for Doyle and that was why she wanted to get him out of the business. I too hope they reveal what happened to Sergio. I think the State Department / Pentagon thing was a continuity error. |
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| suceress | Mar 27 2011, 06:06 AM Post #10 |
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Some pics Lightsxmusic posted from "Lauren" Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle Spoiler: click to toggle |
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I know California has tough no-smoking laws in the workplace but to expose a valuable witness who is a target of a ruthless gang to be out in the open like that was a silly set-up. I was thinking how all the anti-Seaver people were probably chanting "shoot the girl!". 





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