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1. GC: If the "forces" Lamech, Confucius, Tamah, Halaliel,

Hebe, Ra, Ra-Ta, John are present, we seek the answer to the

following question, as given: How did the influence known

as Spirit move upon the various matters that came into

existence? And how did the influence manifest itself upon

the beings that separated into the varied kingdoms that

inhabit such as the earth? You will please also give the

next question.




2. EC: Yes. That there may be as little confusion as possible

in the minds of those present, as to the source of that which

may be given through the answering of the question that has

been proposed, let each present accept THIS as a fact for

the present, and as each period is given for the development

of force and power in and through the spiritual guidance

each individual present may fit in his own concept of how,

why, when there was a change in the spiritual (or spirit)

influence in the earth; for this, with its environs, is

that sphere that we are to deal with:




3. The individuals named were known as individuals and

personalities in the earth's sphere, and had (and have) an

influence upon the thoughts of man; hence they (the influence

they represent) are capable of guiding the information in

such a manner as may be comprehendable to those that would

seek to know the truth; that may be presented, and that may

be demonstrable (that's a very good word!) in individual

lives. Hence we each may be assured, by the presence of the

beloved disciple, that our own Christian concept will have

its place throughout the discussion.




4. The question: How did spirit move upon matter as to bring

into existence that which POSSESSES a body and a spirit?

This we see in the elementals, as we consider matter in its

gaseous form with all the powers of the divisions to which

it (the gas) is subject under the varied conditions that may

exist. For, the matter (in its elemental form) was moved

upon by the Spirit of God and became that which partook

(and partakes) of all force and influence in the sphere of

activity to which IT (the element) had been (and has been)

delegated by the Infinite Spirit that possesses all those

forces or influences that may be seen in all realms of

activity, from the lowest unto infinitum. Hence we see all

become impregnated with the spirit of the Creator; hence are

of the one source or power.




5. Why, then, did there come that which is known in the

earth as a three-dimensional phase of existence with a

five-consciousness of its existence? that there in spirit

possesses body, form and activity, in spirit, and moving upon

the activity of self brings into being that which was to be

the companionship with that spirit?




6. For, all laws (loves) that are applicable in a material world

must find their inception, their beginning, in the source of

the BEGINNINGS of activity in a given sphere.




7. Among those spirits that include all that ever was, that ever

will be, were those that in spirit rebelled against that law

of love; hence turned in self upon self, hence separating

self from that first companionship.




8. Hence that all in this form might return, or that there might

not be continual warfare in this realm of peace, happiness,

glory (Words are inadequate to describe the presence of the

Most High. For as given, the most glorious in the finite

mind is but a SHADOW; and it doth not appear as to what

manner or form or bodies with which we do appear before, or

in the presence of, His glory sublime - divine), but in order

that there might be the return of every soul bearing the

imprint of his image in Spirit (and body), there came first

those in the earth as thought forms that were able to partake

of that about them; and so absorb them, much as we see in

the lower forms of material manifestations in life, and MOVED

by the spirit to become that they found or absorbed in their

being. Hence we see how that the entering of the spirit

into matter in the earth was both good and bad. And we find

that, as given in the records, each soul became conscious

of a relationship to an outside influence or spirit as it,

individually, personally, applied those influences in the

activities that were about it. How could there become,

then, other than sun worshippers? But rather some became

worshippers of that the sun produced, rather than of that

which produced the sun: There's a difference! THAT'S

the difference between Spiritualism and Spiritism;

Spirit-u-u-u-al-ism, and Spiritism.




9. Spiritism, then, is that which acknowledges, that acts, that

comprehends, the source of the activity.




10. Spiritualism is that which comprehends rather only the

result, than the source.




11. The forces of spirit activity, then, become all those that

are recognized as the elemental laws, or what?




12. First, self-perpetuation or preservation; perpetuation

through the second law of its creation, through its elements

that partake of the life spirit that creates or forms the

body itself. Hence we have the first three laws in the

activity of spirit in matter in the earth:




13. Preservation of self; perseverance in perpetuation of self,

by impregnation of matter to become a reproduction of itself;

and - the like begets like!




14. We are through for the present. [EC said on waking that he

would like to always feel surrounded by as helpful influences

as he did this time.]





15. (Q) Is it possible for those that have passed into the

spirit plane to at all times communicate with those in

the earth plane?

(A) Yes and no - for these conditions are as has been

described - that the NECESSARY way or mode must be prepared;

for as this: Ever has that vibration as is attracted and

thrown off been active in the world as is exercised through

that called the telephone, but without proper connection,

without shorts, without any disturbance, may proper

communication be made! These have not always been active to

the PHYSICAL body. These are not always in proper accord to

be used by the physical body. Just the same in that pattern.

Those in the astral plane are not always ready. Those in the

physical plane are not always ready. What conditions arise

(is asked) that we in the physical plane are not ready? The

MIND! What conditions arise that we in the astral plane

are not ready? There are those same elements as has been

outlined, of that of the development going on, and the

willingness of that INDIVIDUAL to communicate, as given,

see? but when set aright, these may - until passed into

that Oneness, or returned again, or gone on beyond such

communications.




16. (Q) What physical thing may an individual do to be able

to communicate with those that have passed into the spirit

plane?




(A) Lay aside the carnal or sensuous mind and desire that

those who would use that mentality, that soul, for its

vehicle of expression, do so in the manner chosen by that

soul; for some communicate in act, in sight, in movement,

in voice, in writing, in drawing, in speaking, and in the

various forces as are manifest - for force is ONE force.




17. (Q) What form or body does the spirit entity assume upon

leaving the earth or material body?

(A) Just as given. That builded by the body in its

experience. We illustrate: Would one of a uniform body

desire a change - would one of a crippled body desire a

change the answer, as has oft been given: ACT that way,

IT - the result, the change - comes about.




18. (Q) Where is the dwelling place of such spirit entities?

(A) That that such entity has builded, and as it (the

entity) draws about it, or desires same shall be. In the

earth's plane many are attracted by those conditions and are

held by many loved ones, when their desires to be on the way,

as it were. Building in that way and manner as is in its

heart of hearts, soul of soul, to be about. See? Now, the

dwelling place is as builded by that entity, and in that

place about the earth and the earth's sphere, time is no

time, space no space, to such entities.




19. (Q) Is the effort for spirit communication as much effort

on the part of the spirit entity as the effort that should

be made on the part of the material or physical entity?

(A) The force should never be applied, and may never be

applied and be real, in either case. The willingness and the

desire from both is necessary for the perfect communication,

see? Illustrate this same condition by that physical

condition as is seen in attunement of either that called

radio, or of that called phone, or that of any of that

vibratory force as is set by the electron in the material

plane. Necessary for the perfect union that each be in

accord. In other words, we find many in the astral plane

SEEKING to give force active in the material. Many in the

material SEEKING to delve into the astral. They must be

made one, would they bring the better.




20. (Q) What form of consciousness does the spirit entity

assume?

(A) That of the subconscious consciousness, as known in the

material plane, or the acts and deeds, and thoughts, done in

the body, are ever present before that being. Then consider

what a hell digged by some, and what a haven and heaven

builded by many.




21. (Q) What are the powers of the spirit entity?

(A) Raised to the highest power as is developed in that

plane, and are - as outlined - as VARYING as individual's

power or ability to manifest, or to exercise that

manifestation, in the material. We have not changed, see?

for as we would say: What is the power of an individual in

the PHYSICAL plane? Naught as it enters. Naught until it

reaches that ability to GIVE of self in service. Yet, as we

find, there is in all the world nothing that offers so much

possibility as when the body of the human is born into the

material plane. In the minds of every other, nothing offers

more beautiful condition, raised to its same power, as the

birth into that of the astral plane. Hence, how oft, how

oft, is such seen in this entering! How expectant becomes

both? Does it become a wonder at that vision as Stephen

sees, when "My Lord, standing ready to RECEIVE me," see?




22. (Q) Is it possible for those passing into the spiritual

plane to be conscious of both the material and the

spiritual plane?

(A) Just as given. Just as is seen in the various

experiences of those who are spiritually minded - yet many

carnal minds have passed from the body for days before they

realized they were passed. Sensuousness!




23. (Q) Describe to me what (Mrs. [3776]) saw as she entered the

spirit plane, when she said "Mrs. [139] says she will guide

me over."

(A) Just that same experience as has just been described.

The desire in the mind - soul mind - and the physical mind,

to be at a oneness, one with the other, and to give to each

that as necessary for that wonderful development possible

in that plane - for, as is seen, we find as this experience

in THIS condition: The mind in that accord with the soul

forces, in action, meets those who are the active in that of

the aid in the development. Hence we find this very active

force in the soul body, Mrs. [139] ready - and with that

consciousness of the conditions in action going on - guiding

and meeting the soul body in its transition, and the spirit

body, mind, soul, attuned in that of the physical body, (Mrs.

[3776]), so it answers one with another, and is capable of

being hearkened back or to such condition, see?




24. (Q) How may force act in unmaterialized form - i.e.

without matter to embrace in itself the many individual self

consciousness separated by space in the material form - i.e.

man, but all one inner self in the cosmic or 4th dimension?

(A) Just in the manner as has been described and given, in

how that the transition of one force becomes as the portion

of the whole force. As is, that each is the pattern, one

of another, or as may be illustrated: How does the force or

power transmitted from the powerhouse light each individual

globe in the city? Each have their connection. Each have

their various forms, or their various powers, according to

that as has been set. Now, applying same in the illustrative

forces, we find each being in accord, each being in the

direct connection, each apply, manifest, according to that

as is builded in the individual in its transition, or in its

experience, and as the various forces are manifested each

give off that as is taken on.




25. We are through for the present.



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2. EC: Yes. In presenting that which may be helpful, it is

understood by many that there is the body, the soul, the

spirit. Words are often confusing in describing terms in

each of these conditions. Yet, if they are determined for

the present, these conditions may aid those seeking to

determine or know that which may be helpful and the sources

of information that may be presented through any or all of

such channels.




3. In the beginning, as matter was impregnated with spirit of

the creative influence, there came into being Man in his

environment that made for the indwelling of the spirit, with

a soul that might be made one with that Creative Energy.




4. That matter became impregnated with spirit arose from the

very fact that spirit (separated) had erred, and only through

the environ of matter (or flesh) might the attributes of the

source of good be manifested.




5. For, the spirit of evil has not, did not, become manifested

in matter; only has it moved by or upon or through matter.

Hence, as the process of time has moved in and through

matter, there has come to man - in the finite mind - the

consciousness of the indwelling of soul, spirit, body.




6. Hence, there is (through these influences of the acts of the

body in the finite sphere moved upon by the soul, the mind,
















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the spirit) the attempt to make those influences upon the

minds, the activities of man in his present state.




7. Then, the sources of information that may be presented to the

mind of man in the finite state are reached through

comprehending the consciousness of that influence from the

sources of all influences that may move upon the

consciousness as to become aware of an activity in the

impulses of that being, whether from those that have been

moved toward the preparations for the dwelling with the

creative influences from the beginning or from those that

have been moved by those influences that separated that

spirit in its first premise before moving into matter in its

activity upon that which became the influence in MAN'S mind

in the finite state.




8. Hence, as we find, the MIND of man then divided for the

understanding into the conscious, physical conscious, the

subconscious or under-conscious, or unconscious conscious,

and the super or the soul conscious of the individual entity.

And, as matter is in its first premise moved upon by the

spirit, as to whether this is in accord with the law of the

first cause determines the character or kind of information

or consciousness that may make its activity or stamp upon the

consciousness that receives that imprint.




9. And hence the fruits thereof are the tests of whether the

sources of supply are of the Creative Forces or the degrading

forces in the application of same in the experience of the

individual or entity that receives or becomes conscious of

same.




10. For, each soul must seek for its OWN development to the

consciousness of being in accord with, and one with, that

which is creative in its elemental as well as positive forces

in its experience. Hence whether in life as manifested in a

material plane or whether in the inter-between, that which

has been and is the impelling influence for the consciousness

of the individual is the determining influence in that

reaction which that individual soul (that is a portion of the

Whole) is to become, whether it is to be one with or separate

from its creative influence in its experience.




11. Hence, when we put these into those terms in which we may as

individuals grasp, all souls must come to the knowledge and

consciousness of their oneness with their individuality; yes,

their consciousness of being one with the influence that

makes for growth to that they worship in their inner selves.

Hence the source is from that which has been builded in the

experience of a soul, as to what plane, as to what sphere of

experience it has become conscious of in its journey from the

impregnation of spirit in matter to the spirit in oneness

with that which gives it life, its activity, its separation,

to make it individual in its relation to the Whole.













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12. How to determine that which is good and that which is evil?




13. In the application does the seeker find that which answers to

that IT has set as ITS ideal, that IT may worship, that IT

may become one with in its consciousness, in its sphere.




14. What separated spirit from its first cause, or [what] causes

good and evil?




15. Desire! DESIRE!




16. Hence Desire is the opposite of Will. Will and Desire, one

with the Creative Forces of Good, brings all its influence in

the realm of activity that makes for that which is

constructive in the experience of the soul, the mind, the

body, one with the spirit of truth.




17. In seeking, then, ye that seek the souls of men that they may

present that which is proof, that which is truth, that which

is constructive in a material life, from the souls and

spirits of those as they journeyed in the spheres of

activity:




18. KNOW in whom, in what THOU believest. If the desire of the

heart, the soul of self is constructive in thine own

consciousness, then that thou receivest in thine OWN

consciousness may not come save from that sphere, that soul,

that may - too - be constructive in its progress through that

journey that is before each soul in its activity in eternity

in which each soul finds itself in a physical, a mental

consciousness.




19. Do that which is good, for there has been given in the

consciousness of all the fruits of the spirit: Fellowship,

kindness, gentleness, patience, long-suffering, love; these

be the fruits of the spirit. Against such there is no law.




20. Doubt, fear, avarice, greed, selfishness, self-will; these

are the fruits of the evil forces. Against such there IS a

law. Self-preservation, then, should be in the fruits of the

spirit, as ye seek through any channel to know more of the

path from life - from good to good - to life; from death unto

life, from evil unto good. Seek and ye shall find. Meditate

on the fruits of the Spirit in the inner secrets of the

consciousness, and the cells in the body become aware of the

awakening of the life in their activity through the body. In

the mind, the cells of the mind become aware of the life in

the spirit. The spirit of life maketh not afraid.




21. Then, know the way; for those that seek may find.



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1. GC: You will have before you all the information that has

been given in psychic readings by Edgar Cayce concerning

communication with those who have passed into the spirit

plane. You will correlate all of this information in a

systematic way and manner, that this may be understood by the

conscious mind of any individual studying the subject, and

you will answer all questions that I will ask you concerning

this subject that should be answered. You will continue with

such information which was begun yesterday, March 16, 1927,

in 5756-3.




2. EC: (After having the first suggestion repeated and being

told to continue) Yes.




3. Now, we have the information here, and that as has been

given.




4. Continuing:




5. First, let it be understood there is the pattern in the

material or physical plane of every condition as exists

in the cosmic or spiritual plane, for things spiritual and

things material are but those same conditions raised to a

different condition of the same element - for all force is

as of one force.




6. In that period when the spirit, or when the soul, (best that

these be classified, that these be not misunderstood, then,

in their relations one to another) is in the material, the

body physically composed of the physical body, the mind, and

the soul, add the subconscious mind, and the superconscious

mind, or the spirit.




7. In the make-up of the active forces of the physical body, it

(the body) is constituted of many, many, cells - each with

its individual world within itself, controlled by the spirit

that is everlasting, and guided by that of the soul, which

is a counterpart - or the breath that makes that body

individual, and when the body is changed, and this is the

soul body, the elements as are patterned are of the same.

That is, that builded by thought and deed becomes the

active particles, atoms, that make up that soul body, see?




8. When the soul passes, then, from the physical body, it (the

soul body) then constituted with those atoms of thought (that

are mind) and are of the Creative Forces a part, and then we

have the soul body, with the mind, the subconscious mind, its

attributes - which have been explained or given heretofore,

as the relation of what the subconscious mind is - which

never forgets, and is then as the sensuous [conscious] mind

of the soul body; the spirit or superconscious mind being

that as the subconscious mind of the material body - the

place, then, of the resident or residence, or that occupied

by the soul body becomes to the finite mind the first

question. The occupancy is at once - as is seen here, there

are about us many, MANY, many, soul bodies; those upon whom

the thought of an individual, the whole being of an

individual is attracted to, by that element of thought - just

the same as the action in the material body - for remember,

we are patterned, see? one as of another. In the next,

then, we find that, that as BUILDED by that soul is as the

residence of that soul, the companion with that as has been

builded by that soul - either of the earthbound or of that

element or sphere, or plane, that has its attraction through

that created in that soul being in the actions, by the

thoughts, of that as an individual. Hence we find there are

presented the same conditions in the astral or cosmic world,

or cosmic consciousness, as is present in the material plane

- until the consciousness of that soul has reached that

development wherein such a soul is raised to that

consciousness ABOVE the earth's sphere, or earth's attractive

forces - until it reaches up, up, outward, until included in

the ALL, see?




9. In the next step, then, we find, as regarding information

given, the ability of such a body, or entity, to

communicate with those in the material plane:




10. Question and answers are often confusing, by those that give

or supply information concerning such experiences; for each

experience is as individual as the individual that receives

same, or the entity that transmits same, and the possibility,

probability, the ABILITY, of individuals to so communicate,

or so draw on those forces, is raised, limited, or gained,

by the act of the individual seeking its ability to so

communicate - for, remembering, conditions are not changed.

We find individuals at times communicative. At other times

uncommunicative. There are moods, and there are moods.

There are conditions in which such conditions are easily

attained. There are others that are hard, as it were,

to meet or cope with. The same condition remains in that

distant sphere - as is felt by many - when it is the SAME

sphere, UNLESS the individual, or the entity, has passed on.




11. Then the next question that arises is: How are such

communications brought about? Just as given. When the body

(material) attunes self to that plane wherein the sensuous

consciousness is in obeisance to the laws of physical or

material, and the spiritual or astral laws are effective,

those of the astral plane may communicate, in thought, in

power, in form. What form, then, do such bodies assume?

The desired form as is built and made by that individual in

its experience through the material plane. Remembering our

pattern. We find bodies are made by the action of cell units

in the material body. Some to beauty, some to distress by

that merited for the physical experience. Hence a necessity

of a physical experience, that the DESIRES that build may be

made, changed, or acted upon.




12. Again we return to the astral or the soul body. In

the various forms of communication, why, WHY, is such

communication so often of seemingly an unnecessary nature,

or seemingly inadequate to the mind of the soul entity,

as understood by the mind of one hearing, seeing, or

experiencing, such a communication? As may be illustrated

in: The message as may be received from the boy just passed

into the spirit world, and able through mediumistic forces

of someone to communicate to mother, "All is well. Do not

grieve. Do not long for the change." Such seems to be

in the nature of rebuke to a sensuous mind when momentous

questions as might be propounded, could be, or would be - as

some mind would say - given. Remember the pattern as is set

before. Is the greeting, IS the greeting of some profound

questions the first meeting? Rather cultivate that of such

communications, and receive the answer to that of the most

profound that may be propounded in any way and manner to

those seeking such information. Is such information always

true? Always true, so far as the individual has brought

self into that attunement as is necessary for the perfect

understanding of same. Do not attempt to govern information,

or judge information, by the incorrect law, see? When force

is taken, what is the impelling force such as is seen in

the movement of material objects? When under stress, the

communication or the appearance of the soul body is in

contact with the individual mind; such as we have seen and

experienced through that of the information as has been

given. Such impelling forces, we find, are the combination

of that in the individual receiving and in the abilities

of the individual so communicating - that is, we find that

in the various experiences of individuals, levitation, or

objects that are of material nature, are moved about by

the active principle of the INDIVIDUAL THROUGH WHOM SUCH

MANIFESTATIONS ARE BEING MADE, and not by spirit action, or

soul action. Yet CONTROLLED by that cosmic consciousness.

Don't leave that out, see? Controlled - for, as given, the

body must be subjugated that such force may manifest. Then

we see undue strength, undue power, is seen exercised at such

periods. True - for things that are controlled by spirit

alone are of a great deal greater active force than of the

sensuous mind, as a trained mind is more active than one

untrained.




13. Now many questions have been given. Many various forms

of the active forces of communicative energies, or of soul

forces, as are manifested in the spirit world and in the

material world, have been given - but these as we have given

here are set forth that those who would study may have the

basis of an understanding that will give each and everyone

that knowledge that the physical world, and the cosmic

world, or the astral world, are one - for the consciousness,

the sensuous-consciousness, is as the growth from the

subconsciousness into the material world. The growth in the

astral world is the growth, or the digesting and the building

of that same oneness in the spirit, the conscious, the

subconscious, the cosmic, or the astral world. We find,

from one to another, individuals - individuals - retained

in that oneness, until each is made one in the Great Whole

- the Creative Energy of the Universal Forces as are ever

manifest in the material plane.




14. We are ready for the questions that may be asked, as we see

here, concerning various conditions - for many are gathered

about to give their various experiences as have been passed

through in this transition period.


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