Stundie

Jul 10 2009, 01:33 PM

It was not a controlled demolition and there was no thermite either.

Just lots of pretty sparks!

BoneZ

Jul 13 2009, 09:08 AM

I notice the debunkers have been silent regarding your post, Stundie. Could it be the fact that jet fuel can't melt steel or aluminum into a liquid state?

If any debunker thinks jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel or aluminum into a liquid state, take a gas can to your local gas station and fill it up with kerosene. Then go to your local hardware store and get some aluminum, preferably around .125" thick. Take them to your back yard, poor the kerosene on the aluminum and let it burn for an hour. Let us know how it turns out.

JFK

Jul 13 2009, 09:39 AM

Yes I know that there was no source for this properly proportioned oxidizer... Just trying to be accurate.

Stundie

Jul 13 2009, 03:35 AM

Hi JFK,

I'm not sure where the original footage is from, but it was created by a poster called femr2 over at the911forum.

He as an awesome 3d model of the WTC in which he can plug all kinds of numbers in to try and simulate the collapses.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7iSD_cQDFU&feature=channel_page

and he makes some amusing videos too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnEpia9JpYE - Popular Mechanics Circus



Cheers

Stundie


edit by JFK - embed hilarious video ( Thanks Stundie )

beantownfan

 

Note the typo??? Who made this????

from abstract

 

This paper describes the work of a team of researchers in computer graphics, geometric computing, and civil engineering to produce a visualization of the September 2001 attack on the Pentagon. The immediate motivation for the project was to understand the behavior of the building under the impact. The longer term motivation was to establish a path for producing high-quality visualizations of large scale simulations. The first challenge was managing the enormous complexity of the scene to fit within the limits of state-of-the art simulation software systems and supercomputing resources. The second challenge was to integrate the simulation results into a high-quality visualization. To meet this challenge, we implemented a custom importer that simplifies and loads the massive simulation data in a commercial animation system. The surrounding scene is modeled using image-based techniques and is also imported in the animation system where the visualization is produced. A specific issue for us was to federate the simulation and the animation systems, both commercial systems not under our control and following internally different conceptualizations of geometry and animation. This had to be done such that scalability was achieved. The reusable link created between the two systems allows communicating the results to non-specialists and the public at large, as well as facilitating communication in teams with members having diverse technical backgrounds.

JFK

Jul 10 2009, 07:42 PM

Stundie, Is that from the cameraplanet archive ?

Xenomorph

Jul 14 2009, 03:22 AM

JFK

Jul 10 2009, 07:42 PM

Stundie, Is that from the cameraplanet archive ?

It's from HBO's "In Memoriam NYC 9/11/01" documentary.

JFK

Jul 14 2009, 08:32 AM

Thank you Xenomorph.

Xenomorph

Jul 14 2009, 09:45 PM

JFK

Jul 14 2009, 08:32 AM

Thank you Xenomorph.

No problem JFK, one other thing, I thought I'd stop by and leave a copy of the clip from the DVD if anyone wants it. You can grab it off my server account here: http://xenomorph.s3.amazonaws.com/WTC2_Molten_Metal_HBO.mpg (right-click to save) Hope this helps all, best wishes.

KenyonG

Jun 23 2009, 06:37 PM

Flippy

Jun 23 2009, 05:25 PM

I'm sure this has been covered but I'm VERY interested in how FIRE turned OVER 70 FLOORS of CONCRETE into PYROCLASTIC DUST. I'm sure the OP knows that pyroclastic dust only occurs in two scenarios. Volcano eruptions and building demolitions.

If a building collapses, you don't expect to see dust and debris?

Lin Kuei

Jul 15 2009, 11:10 PM

Great work with the gif and stills, JFK. This is some pretty startling evidence. I can't believe it went under the radar for so long. There certainly is some energy pushing that molten material out. Where did this energy come from, considering it happened so far down the building? More importantly where did the molten material itself come from?

Is this more evidence of the energetic nano-composite thermite recently confirmed in the dust from the towers?

JFK

Jul 15 2009, 11:13 PM

I have my doubts of nanothermate being the cause of that as it is less than 1/3rd of a second on duration... and very high velocity.

Quote:

 

"A graph in an article on nanostructured energetic materials [21] shows that the energy/volume yield for Al/Fe2O3 composite material exceeds that of TNT, HMX and TATB explosives commonly used in demolitions .... We suggest that the organic material in evidence in the red/gray chips is also highly energetic, most likely producing gas to provide explosive pressure. Again, conventional thermite is regarded as an incendiary whereas super-thermite, which may include organic ingredients for rapid gas generation, is considered a pyrotechnic or explosive."



Harrit et al, 2009 p.27
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM

JFK

Jul 15 2009, 11:13 PM

There is also another starting about five floors above, but the clip ends too soon to get decent pics.

The timing of those two events is not unlike a controlled demolition.

Quote:

 

Nist Question 11: Why do some photographs show a yellow stream of molten metal pouring down the side of WTC2 that NIST claims was aluminum from the crashed plane although aluminum burns with a white glow?

NIST reported (NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, and NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius and 640 degrees Celsius (depending on the particular alloy), well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface.

BoneZ

Jul 13 2009, 09:08 AM

Stundie

Jul 10 2009, 01:33 PM

It was not a controlled demolition and there was no thermite either.

Just lots of pretty sparks!

I notice the debunkers have been silent regarding your post, Stundie. Could it be the fact that jet fuel can't melt steel or aluminum into a liquid state?

If any debunker thinks jet fuel (kerosene) can melt steel or aluminum into a liquid state, take a gas can to your local gas station and fill it up with kerosene. Then go to your local hardware store and get some aluminum, preferably around .125" thick. Take them to your back yard, poor the kerosene on the aluminum and let it burn for an hour. Let us know how it turns out.

beantownfan247

Jul 1 2009, 04:53 PM

So post a video, show me where I can find even fifty people who say they saw this series of detonations going off.

Can you please provide a link to that quote that you posted?? I would love to see where you got it from.

And, why is it that you seem to think that huge columns, or pieces of metal crashing into each other WOULDN'T creaate a loud bang?? Heck, hitting a hammer on a piece of steel is loud enough to be heard from 3 doors down my block.

Ok, I just watched the first 1:30, and they have already claimed that a helicopter caused the collapse of the S. Tower. Come one, this is your evidence?? Hopefully it gets better.