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The Magic Jet Fuel
Topic Started: Dec 21 2008, 01:40 PM (518 Views)
OwningDebunkers	Dec 21 2008, 01:40 PM Post #1
Posts: 3 Group: Members Member #980 Joined: 12/21/08	To explain away the massive explosions in the lobby and the basement-level explosions that were reported either before or just a few seconds after the explosion at the top, debunkers like Mark Roberts claim that a fireball went down one of the elevator shafts. There are a number of obvious problems with this theory. The most obvious one is that witnesses say that the explosions happened before the explosions at the top. Surely there would have been no falling fireball before the explosion at the top. Obviously, this pokes a serious hole in the debunker's case. What do they do? They say that the witnesses were "mistaken", noting that one said "Being inside, we didn't know that there was anything wrong from the upper levels.". Does this hold up? Were they stopped from knowing what was going on at the top? Nope. It's a little thing called: Ears. From Mark Roberts' site: Quote: Rodriguez believes he heard an explosion in the basement of the north tower an instant before American Airlines flight 11 slammed into its upper floors. However, since he was in the windowless B1 sublevel at the time, he had no way of knowing when the plane actually hit the building. His supervisor, who was with him in the maintenance office when the building was hit, says, "Being inside, we didn't know that there was anything wrong from the upper levels." http://911stories.googlepages.com/ Sure, they couldn't see when the explosion at the top occurred, BUT: Quote: And all of a sudden we heard boom!! And I thought it was a generator that blew up in the basement. And I said to myself: Oh my God, I think that's the generator. And I was going to verbalize it, and when I finished saying that in my mind, I hear boom! Right on the top. -Loose Change, Second Edition In this video, Rodriguez says that he heard and felt an explosion in the basement levels some 7 seconds before he heard the explosion at the top: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZtqKiidlo Anthony Saltalamacia heard an explosion on the lower levels, then explosions on the top (He also says that a number of explosions went off down there that sounded like grenades going off): http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpaZE5XSfg So, there was an explosion in the basement and then he heard an explosion on the higher levels. So, apparently, the debunkers want us to believe that just because you can't see the explosion on the higher levels, it means you can't know when it happened. They also want us to believe that the jet fuel caused these explosions only seconds after the explosion at the top. ..Which brings me to my next point: MAGIC JET FUEL? This image shows the elevators in the WTC. A close-up is here: http://911stories.googlepages.com/nist3.jpg/nist3-full.jpg Knowing that the hole created at the top extended from 92nd to 98th floors, the basement levels & lobbies were obviously quite a long way down. Let's listen to some eyewitness accounts: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=rzpaZE5XSfg http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=wIZtqKiidlo http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6lKTqncXIa0 http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=h-_PqD66QqE It's clear from these witnesses that if the explosion in the lower levels (Lobby/Basement) did not take place seconds before the explosion at the top, as they all believe, then it must have occurred just a few seconds afterwards. It could have only been a few seconds afterwards, since that's the only way the witnesses could be fooled into thinking it happened before. Since the explosion at the top happened between the 92nd to 98th floors, then it would have had to travel 80+ floors to get to the lobby/basement levels. So, according to the debunkers: After the explosion at the top, a fireball fell down an elevator and fell 80+ floors to the ground and exploded SO FAST that they were somehow fooled into believing that the explosion happened BEFORE the explosion at the top. Firefighter John Schroeder strongly believes that the explosion in the lobby was not caused by jet fuel. He also says that there was no fire, but that it looked like a bomb had gone off: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=DBb00PQR1zo The debunkers' "Magic Jet Fuel" theory has been debunked. FURTHER RESEARCH Another Mark Roberts error: Quote: The descriptions of explosions in the basement levels are entirely consistent with jet fuel traveling down the elevator shafts and entirely inconsistent with the effects of high explosives. On the B-4 level, three stories below Rodriguez, Hursley Lever says, "I heard a bomb." But in his next sentence he makes it clear that he didn't think it was a bomb: "So, I says, 'Probably a transformer again blew up.' So I step back, finish what I had to finish, and I started towards the door again. And there came a big blast with a big ball of fire." Apparently Roberts has never heard of thermobaric weaponry. There are explosive devices that create fiery explosions. It is my personal opinion that the explosions in the lobby happened before the explosion at the top, and were designed to distract witnesses on the ground from the explosion at the top. Following this line of thought, an explosive device that created a fiery pyrotechnic display on the ground would be better, wouldn't it? The descriptions are actually quite consistent with the detonation of high explosives, Roberts. Witnesses reported that the lobby was completely destroyed, the windows were all blown out, marble panels were blown off the walls, etc. Apparently Roberts has a problem with his own guys, the NIST report, because Shyam Sunder admitted that the jet fuel would have burned off in around 10 minutes. Not nearly long enough to cause the explosions that were heard throughout the day.
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BoneZ	Dec 21 2008, 03:54 PM Post #2
Posts: 725 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	Mark Roberts' mind is in Hollywood movie mode where movie directors make us think there are huge explosions when any type of fuel is ignited (Myth Busters already tried this and failed). Most of the jet fuel burned up in the fireballs after the planes impacted. That's what the fireballs were when the planes hit, the jet fuel igniting and quickly burning off. The ignition of that much jet fuel would have a very minimal and very localised blast effect. We have explosives that create the kind of damage seen in the lobby of the WTC. Fossile fuels aren't explosives, nor do they have explosive effects. For the jet fuel to have been powerful enough to actually travel down the elevator shafts and destroy the lobby and basements, it really would be powerful enough to destroy the whole building. Fossile fuels don't magically travel for a quarter mile, pick a spot to stop, then explode. Out of all the elevator shafts in the towers, there are only one or two that lead directly to the lower levels. Why didn't the magical jet fuel stop at the 68th floor and explode, or the 15th floor? Or any floors in between for that matter? People that believe that the jet fuel magically picked the only elevator shafts that go to the lower levels, out of the dozens of shafts in the buildings, travelled a quarter mile down the tower to the lobby, magically transformed itself into an explosive and destroyed the lobby, all without burning anything in the lobby or any of the other floors in between, have no understanding of modern science or physics. Edited by BoneZ, Dec 21 2008, 03:57 PM.
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Miragememories	Dec 22 2008, 08:45 AM Post #3
Posts: 759 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	Mark Roberts and his ilk, have invested so much time and effort in arguing their chosen beliefs, that they can not, and will not, accept the humiliation of re-considering any of their views, no matter how implausible they may appear. MM
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