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Challenge To All Skeptics
Topic Started: Dec 19 2008, 09:52 AM (2,028 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 19 2008, 09:52 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	SHOW ME ONE INTERVIEW WHERE OSAMA BIN LADEN TALKS ABOUT 'AL QAEDA' AND USES THE WORDS 'AL QAEDA' PRIOR TO THE 9/11 ATTACKS. JUST ONE.
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 11:34 AM Post #2
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	Here's an interview from October 2001 where he talks about how al Qaeda has been around for a long time: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html Good enough, or does he have to discuss it before 9/11/01? What are you trying to prove?
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decider911	Dec 19 2008, 11:48 AM Post #3
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #971 Joined: 12/18/08	that is priceless.... i love watching "criticl thinking " debunkers play it off like they havent got a CLUE as to what you are talking about...lol any links of OBL saying......"i am the leder of al qaeda!!" or " my gang AL QAEDA is going to invade america and force you into free speach zones and raise the inflation!! ok..ill play along with you little ploy... bin laden is a fake boogyman, he is not a leader of any AL QAEDA, al qaeda is fake, the bloods and crips kill THOUSANDS on americans every year.... al qaeda has killed 0 ..... prove there is an AL QAEDA, and OBL is or ever was the "leader"
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JFK	Dec 19 2008, 12:27 PM Post #4
Posts: 4,220 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 11:34 AM Here's an interview from October 2001 where he talks about how al Qaeda has been around for a long time: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html Good enough, or does he have to discuss it before 9/11/01? What are you trying to prove? Thank you for the link to that transcript. Now can you provide a link to the accompanying video or audio so those here whom know arabic can do their own translation ?
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Headspin	Dec 19 2008, 12:33 PM Post #5
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Al Quaeda doesn't exist http://www.corbettreport.com/index.php?ii=37&i=Documentation http://www.corbettreport.com/mp3/episode014_al_qaeda_doesn't_exist.mp3
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 12:40 PM Post #6
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	JFK Dec 19 2008, 12:27 PM jim76 Dec 19 2008, 11:34 AM Here's an interview from October 2001 where he talks about how al Qaeda has been around for a long time: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html Good enough, or does he have to discuss it before 9/11/01? What are you trying to prove? Thank you for the link to that transcript. Now can you provide a link to the accompanying video or audio so those here whom know arabic can do their own translation ? I don't believe the video or audio is available online. But this site provides a lot of the Arab words that could have been incorrectly translated: http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?articleID=977
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Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 19 2008, 12:42 PM Post #7
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 11:34 AM Here's an interview from October 2001 where he talks about how al Qaeda has been around for a long time: http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/south/02/05/binladen.transcript/index.html Good enough, or does he have to discuss it before 9/11/01? What are you trying to prove? reading comprehension jim.... i asked to be shown 1 interview prior to the 9/11 attacks where osama bin laden references al qaeda. now i'm not going to check my calendar to confirm because i'm feeling pretty confident, but i think october 2001 was after the 9/11 attacks. see jim i know osama bin laden never once said the words 'al qaeda' prior to our media onslaught of those words prior to 9/11. i just want to see someone who claims to be 'intellectually honest' and above average intelligence [or whichever the phrase was you used in your little thread to try to assert some sort of intelligence superiority to the rest of the posters at this forum] concede there was no al qaeda before 9/11. since you can't amass a massive terrorist network which functions in over 60+ countries [rumsfeld] overnight then clearly there will be tons of references to this terrorist organization prior to the 9/11 attacks. so where are they jim? where is osama bin laden one time saying the words 'al qaeda' prior to our media telling him what to call his fake cia organization?
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 12:49 PM Post #8
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	Osama bin Laden doesn't mention al Qaeda in interviews or statements before 9/11/01. Does this mean it never existed? Osama himself speaks of how it has been around for a long time and "al Qaeda" was the name of one of their training camps. Is bin Laden lying about this?
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decider911	Dec 19 2008, 01:00 PM Post #9
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #971 Joined: 12/18/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 12:49 PM Osama bin Laden doesn't mention al Qaeda in interviews or statements before 9/11/01. Does this mean it never existed? Osama himself speaks of how it has been around for a long time and "al Qaeda" was the name of one of their training camps. Is bin Laden lying about this? so...nothing prior to 9/11... after 9/11 he says its been around for a long time... so there is a training camp called "al qeada"? where? what year did we make it? any pics of it? or video? or graduating class lists? please tell me this was not your "OBL is the OG shot caller of AL QAEDA......was it? come on....thats silly. Edited by decider911, Dec 19 2008, 01:01 PM.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 19 2008, 01:29 PM Post #10
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 12:49 PM Osama bin Laden doesn't mention al Qaeda in interviews or statements before 9/11/01. thank you jim. you are correct. there was no al qaeda prior to 9/11 and bin laden never once uttered the phrase 'al qaeda'. 'al qaeda' [or 'the base'] is an arabic reference to the cia database which stored all their muhajideen operatives information including osama bin laden who oversaw the ministry of information from inside pakistan where he received cia money he used to help funnel young muslims into afghanistan to fight in a holy war against the invading communists. the western media invented the phrase 'al qaeda' on 9/11 jim and the cia operative osama bin laden [whose family did business with long time cia head george hw bush] took his cue and ran with it. let that sink in jim. faux news & cnn invented 'al qaeda' and osama bin laden picked it up and ran with it if this were not true then clearly there would be evidence of osama bin laden's 'al qaeda' existing prior to the media naming it. but as even you concede there is none. Quote: Does this mean it never existed? yes jim. let me try to make this even simpler....here is an analogy : lets say you have a child and you were child was born today. yesterday your child did not have a name. therefor prior to today there is no historical reference to your child. is it sinking in? Quote: Osama himself speaks of how it has been around for a long time and "al Qaeda" was the name of one of their training camps. oh of course. what would you expect him to say? he's an international terrorist cia operative. and much like the neocons he pretty much had no power or much of an influence anywhere prior to the 9/11 attacks. Quote: Is bin Laden lying about this? yes hes lying he an international cia terrorist piece of shit. you duh-bunkers are fucked. the witnesses and shanksville in arlington you clowns don't take their words for shit but you take the words of someone you believe to be a mass murderer as if they are the infallible gospel. i am so glad i am awake and not walking in my sleep through life in denial like you. just remember jim before 9/11 al qaeda did not exist and there is nothing you or anyone else can ever do to dispute that. maybe bring that to the jref and one of them will contact their handlers and produce a video from the late 90's of bin laden suddenly mentioning al qaeda.
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 01:52 PM Post #11
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	Quote: al qaeda' [or 'the base'] is an arabic reference to the cia database which stored all their muhajideen operatives information Evidence? Quote: the western media invented the phrase 'al qaeda' on 9/11 Then why was it used frequently before 9/11? Quote: let me try to make this even simpler....here is an analogy : lets say you have a child and you were child was born today. yesterday your child did not have a name. therefor prior to today there is no historical reference to your child. is it sinking in? Well this is a strange analogy. So if I had a child two days ago and didn't name it until today, would my child have existed yesterday? Of course. What if I named my child "Mike" when it was born and renamed it "Bob" today. Could I say that Bob did not exist yesterday? Of course not. The name refers to the child, just like al-Qaeda refers to the movement. It existed under different names in the past, but is now known as al-Qaeda to many, including OBL. Because it had a different name or no name at all, does not mean it did not exist. Quote: he's an international terrorist cia operative. Do you have any evidence for this?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 19 2008, 10:06 PM Post #12
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 01:52 PM Quote: al qaeda' [or 'the base'] is an arabic reference to the cia database which stored all their muhajideen operatives information Evidence? 'al qaeda' literally translated is 'the base'. in some arabic nations 'al qaeda' actually is slang for the toilet. The Guardian Quote: Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. jim me the western media invented the phrase 'al qaeda' on 9/11 Then why was it used frequently before 9/11? frequently? how frequently jim? frequently like after bush stole the election frequently? in the lead up to 9/11 frequently? why not during or after the embassy bombings? why wasn't bin laden mentioning 'al qaeda' then if that was the name of his organization? when something exists it has a name. you call it something. otherwise there is no way to acknowledge it. thats the bottom line and the western propaganda machine wasn't pumping the words al qaeda into anyones minds until 9/11 because there was no al qaeda. jim me he's an international terrorist cia operative. Do you have any evidence for this? my god jim the evidence has smacked you in the face. you yourself admitted osama bin laden never called his [alleged to exist] organization al qaeda before 9/11. do you deny the cia funded him to help the afghan insurgency against the soviets?
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 10:41 PM Post #13
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	Quote: 'al qaeda' literally translated is 'the base'. in some arabic nations 'al qaeda' actually is slang for the toilet. The Guardian Quote: Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. I find it interesting that Robin Cook then immediately refers to al Qaeda as a terrorist organization and says: "Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west." So which one is it? Can we trust Cook? If he's so trustworthy that we can take one unsubstantiated claim at face value, how can we ignore everything else he has to say about al-Qaeda? Quote: frequently? how frequently jim? frequently like after bush stole the election frequently? in the lead up to 9/11 frequently? why not during or after the embassy bombings? State Department refers to al-Qaeda - 1996 http://www.usembassy-israel.org.il/publish/press/state/archive/august/sd4_8-15.htm Reference to OBL establishing al-Qaeda - 1998 http://www.globalissues.org/article/474/bin-laden-comes-home-to-roost Reference to OBL and al-Qaeda in the legal complaint for the embassy bombings - 1998 http://cryptome.quintessenz.at/mirror/usa-v-qaeda.htm Clinton mentions al-Qaeda in an executive order - 1998 http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=1998_register&docid=fr25au98-133.pdf I found these in a matter of 5 minutes. I'm sure if you did a bit more research, you could find many more examples. Quote: why wasn't bin laden mentioning 'al qaeda' then if that was the name of his organization? I don't know. We don't know if he used that name before 9/11 or not. He claims he did. We just know that in the few interviews he did in the late 90s, he didn't. I also don't doubt that the media's decision to latch onto "al-Qaeda" as a label for the organization was a driving force in the popularization of the name. Bin Laden and other members of al-Qaeda are not immune to the influence of the media. Quote: my god jim the evidence has smacked you in the face. you yourself admitted osama bin laden never called his [alleged to exist] organization al qaeda before 9/11. do you deny the cia funded him to help the afghan insurgency against the soviets? So your conclusive evidence that OBL is a CIA asset is that he was once funded over a decade before 9/11 (which is not necessarily a credible fact), and the name al-Qaeda was not popularized until after the attack? Are you serious?
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decider911	Dec 19 2008, 10:43 PM Post #14
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #971 Joined: 12/18/08	he picks and choses what he will publicaly declare "facts" depending on what the topic is.... whitnesses see something that didnt fit in with the official theory...he will deny it happened. the CIA/FBI says.... "trust us".... then he declares that as fact...
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 10:50 PM Post #15
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	decider911 Dec 19 2008, 10:43 PM the CIA/FBI says.... "trust us".... then he declares that as fact... Where have I declared this?
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decider911	Dec 19 2008, 11:41 PM Post #16
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #971 Joined: 12/18/08	jim76 Dec 19 2008, 10:50 PM decider911 Dec 19 2008, 10:43 PM the CIA/FBI says.... "trust us".... then he declares that as fact... Where have I declared this? you question nothing about 9/11 right? 20 minutes after the attacks the media started saying al qaeda did it... did you kno the source for that info?
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jim76	Dec 19 2008, 11:49 PM Post #17
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	decider911 Dec 19 2008, 11:41 PM jim76 Dec 19 2008, 10:50 PM decider911 Dec 19 2008, 10:43 PM the CIA/FBI says.... "trust us".... then he declares that as fact... Where have I declared this? you question nothing about 9/11 right? 20 minutes after the attacks the media started saying al qaeda did it... did you kno the source for that info? It's my understanding that it was mere speculation. The actual identities of the hijackers and their ties to al-Qaeda came out later.
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decider911	Dec 20 2008, 11:02 AM Post #18
Posts: 55 Group: Members Member #971 Joined: 12/18/08	now we are getting somewhere... ok so you were presented with 19 names and links for all 19? can you prove your theory? in other words, please provide said info here?
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jim76	Dec 20 2008, 11:28 AM Post #19
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	decider911 Dec 20 2008, 11:02 AM now we are getting somewhere... ok so you were presented with 19 names and links for all 19? can you prove your theory? in other words, please provide said info here? The PENTTBOM investigation was (I believe) the largest criminal investigation in the history of the United States, consisting of 7,000 FBI agents. To reproduce their finds here would be an incredible waste of time. If you are interested, there is plenty of information available on the web. Here's a very basic outline of how they were able to identify and tie the hijackers together: http://www.911myths.com/images/9/9e/SRD-911-connections.pdf Here's a detailed timeline of the investigation: http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&investigations:_a_detailed_look=penttbom I suggest you do some research into the topic and if there are specifics you want to discuss, I'd be more than willing. I also recommend Yosri Fouda's The Road to September 11. While a lot of the info is outdated, it is a fascinating inside look at plans leading up to the attack.
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hiphopopotamus	Dec 22 2008, 02:57 PM Post #20
Posts: 211 Group: Members Member #578 Joined: 05/16/08	If Al Qaeda didn't exist prior to the 9/11 attacks, why are they mentioned in this Presidential order concerning terrorism in the Middle East? Granted is says nothing about Bin Laden running the group, but its mention in a public document written three full years before 9/11 certainly discredits the idea of it not having existed prior to the aforementioned tragedy.
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SPreston	Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM Post #21
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Domenick DiMaggio Dec 19 2008, 10:06 PM jim76 Quote: al qaeda' [or 'the base'] is an arabic reference to the cia database which stored all their muhajideen operatives information Evidence? 'al qaeda' literally translated is 'the base'. in some arabic nations 'al qaeda' actually is slang for the toilet. What political organization would refer to itself as the toilet? Obviously it is a NeoCON inside joke of the 9-11 perpetrators. Quote: "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet"; the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda".



hiphopopotamus	Dec 22 2008, 05:11 PM Post #22
Posts: 211 Group: Members Member #578 Joined: 05/16/08	Some people refer to a bowel movement as 'dropping the kids off at the pool.' That doesn't mean people don't actually drop their kids off at the pool.
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jim76	Dec 22 2008, 05:14 PM Post #23
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #172 Joined: 01/21/08	SPreston Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM Quote: "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet"; the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda". Source?
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HeadLikeARock	Dec 22 2008, 08:10 PM Post #24
Posts: 345 Group: Members Member #438 Joined: 03/25/08	SPreston Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM What political organization would refer to itself as the toilet? Obviously it is a NeoCON inside joke of the 9-11 perpetrators. Do you not think this is just a language issue? The English language is riddled with words that have more than one meaning, why not Arabic? It's my understanding that American's refer to the toilet as the "John". Yet "John" has been in the top 20 most popular male names in the US for the last 40 years. Why would anyone refer to their son as the toilet? Dick was until recently a popular contraction of Richard. It's exceedingly weak arguments like this, portrayed in a way suggestive that it's clear and unambiguous evidence of an inside job, that casts doubt on other similarly presented evidence. I'm sure you believe the case for an inside job has better evidence than this, why not stick to it? Focussing on nonsense like this just weakens your hand IMO.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 23 2008, 01:04 AM Post #25
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	jim76 Dec 22 2008, 05:14 PM SPreston Dec 22 2008, 03:53 PM Quote: "Ana raicha Al Qaeda" is colloquial for "I'm going to the toilet"; the potty used by small children is called "Ma Qa'adia" or "Little Qaeda". Source? it literally translated in english is 'im going back to the base' but spreston is correct that it is colloquial for 'im going to the toilet'. the bottom line : i don't care that the us government used the term 'al qaeda' before 9/11. all of this was planned out well before 9/11 so it would require this shady organization existing in some form be it in written form or perhaps by some smaller scale attacks which are capable of being carried out by such like the uss cole or embassy bombings. all of which pale in comparison to 9/11. this being said osama bin laden, the alleged head of cobra...i mean al qaeda never once mentioned the name of his own terrorist organization that he was trying to establish as a political force prior to the united states propaganda machine regurgitating it endlessly for hours and weeks on end. there was and still is no real 'al qaeda'. it is a propaganda campaign which began on the morning of the 9/11 attacks. even israel tried that 'al qaeda in palestine' claim for a very short period of time but had to abandon it quick due to its absurdity.
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