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| Boone's excuse for Mineta's DRA flight path; selective reading is fundamental | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 15 2008, 10:25 PM (1,936 Views) | |
| Michal | Jan 6 2009, 12:56 PM Post #51 |
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let us put it straight here. Mineta controlled everything that day, behind the attacks. He could ground all the planes and forbid the air traffic but he had no power or whatsoever to control those few planes staging the terrorist attack ... he looked really scared at the 9/11 commission hearings |
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 6 2009, 07:55 PM Post #52 |
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I can't say for sure if it was Mineta/Belger specifically, but someone with the White House/Secret Service was:
Stundie, listen to the audio again. BULLY1 departed Andrews looking for an aircraft coming down the river and then a few minutes later CAPS1&2 also departed looking for an aircraft coming down the river. They were looking for Flight 93.
Lt. Col. Phil Thompson, who was taking phone calls from the Secret Service and White House said, "By this time, [commercial] airplanes were landing, but there were still several unidentified ones flying. One was in the northwest [area], basically coming down the [Potomac] River." Because he mistakes it for Flight 77. That's why his testimony was left out of commission report, remember? If you can point out a "Great Falls, USA Today Building, or a Downriver Approach" along Flight77's path I will be happy to address them. |
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| Stundie | Jan 7 2009, 06:26 PM Post #53 |
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It appears that Monte Belger called for the planes to be grounded before Mineta claims he gave the order. |
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| Stundie | Jan 7 2009, 06:27 PM Post #54 |
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I would say this was from the VP in the PEOC. Mineta/Belger are in charge of commercial aircraft not the military, so I am doubtful they have the authority to scramble fighters let alone give orders. What is interesting in the article you posted is that Secret Service was with Cheney when they whisked him off to be in the PEOC and Mineta claims that there was a young man updating the VP. Mineta doesn't specify who this young man was, but at a guess it appears to be Secret Service. However, there were fighters from Langley at 9:20 or 9:24 (I think?) which were scrambled the wrong way. I believe this might be something to do with the orders still standing. I'm not doubting that they were looking for UA93, what I am doubting is that Mineta/Belger were talking about UA93. If commercial planes were landing and that this unidentified plane was coming down the river, this could have been UA93 ghost track. But what you are doing is conflating this with what Mineta/Belger are talking about and on that subject you are wrong. There is no evidence Mineta/Belger are mistaken. Cheney says himself that he is with Mineta in the PEOC when they hear of the Pentagon attack. Mineta states they had no information about UA93 until after it had crashed. Also the 9/11 commission never state why they left Mineta statement out of the final report. If you can find a quote from any of the commissioner, please provide it, otherwise you are making unsubstantiated claims. I do not know why they left Mineta statement out of the final report, but there is simply no evidence that Mineta was mistaken. Just a load of debunking excuses because his statement reveals that Cheney may let AA77 hit the Pentagon. As I said, you are taking the quotes out of context and you are missing vital information. Here is what Mineta says. So at 50 miles out, Mineta asks Belger what do you have. Belger says they have a bogey, but don't know the altitude, speed........All he is doing is watching the sweep from position to position. So at 30 miles out, it's difficult for Monte to determine and he guesses it's somewhere between Great Falls and National Airport, coming down the DRA. Again, Monte guesses it is somewhere between the USA Today building and, and National Airport. Mineta doesn't see the plane, he is asking Monte everytime he hears the man telling Cheney, so he is relying on Monte to point it out to him on the screen, but obviously he can't because he is not with Mineta and therefore gives him reference points. These are not accurate, but are rough and that is why Monte is guessing....in just about every part of the statement. In your video, you neglect to mention that he is giving these position at different times, when the plane is 50, 30 and 10 miles out. The thing is that Cheney confirms he is with Mineta when they hear of the Pentagon attack in the PEOC. Richard Clarke also confirms he speaks with Mineta and sends him to be in the PEOC before 9:28am. This is long before the commission claims that Cheney arrives at the PEOC at 9:58am, perhaps 10:00am. Even Karl Rove states that after Bush left the classroom (At 9:15) that he tries to get hold of the VP, but can't because he is being whisked away by secret service, again contradicting the commission claims that secret service removed Cheney at 9:34am. Bush and Rove leave Florida before this, so his account contradicts the commission. There is no reason to think Mineta is wrong and more importantly, no evidence to suggest he is wrong. Edited by Stundie, Jan 7 2009, 07:01 PM.
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| Michal | Jan 8 2009, 04:10 AM Post #55 |
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yes, but there was someone for sure knowing exactly where is the plane heading to ... If they keep saying yes, but there was someone for sure knowing exactly where is the plane heading to ... If they keep saying the plane's fifty-miles out ... the plane's ten-miles out what do they mean? ... out from where? ... how did they know what is his destination/target? if the transponder was turned off, the plane was supposed to fly random for them (I mean Cheney and Mineta) but as they were kept updated about the distance remaining, they seemed to know where is he heading. Edited by Michal, Jan 8 2009, 04:10 AM.
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| Stundie | Jan 10 2009, 04:46 PM Post #56 |
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Well seeing as secret service moved Cheney from his office because of a plane (AA77) was heading towards them, then it is possible that the location the young man was reffering to being 50, 30 & 10 miles from was the White House. Mineta hears the young man telling him the plane was 50 miles out, so Mineta asks Belger what as he got, because Belger is not with Mineta and looking at a radar screen, he is trying to point out the location too Mineta. Mineta might not have seen AA77 at the time heading towards them or eventually the Pentagon, for the simple reason he is consistently asking Belger to update him on the location when he hears the latest info coming in. What is strange is why the young man would question Cheney.....unless it was something odd/unusual to do? |
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| Michal | Jan 11 2009, 06:29 AM Post #57 |
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I do not think so. I can Understand that Mineta was confused, because he seemed to be not in the loop ... but Cheney and the young man - they knew about the plane's final target ... otherwise they would try to guess where is he heading to (conversation) here we have count down - like an execution ... confused people trying to prevent the disaster do not behave behave like this |
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| Stundie | Jan 11 2009, 06:23 PM Post #58 |
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Why not? You can understand it? Can you? Or do you BELIEVE he is confused....Or should I say do you NEED him to be confused for the official story to stand up? There is no evidence that Mineta was mistaken. Yet you somehow believe it....the question is why? I'm sure there was confusion as to what was unfolding, but to believe that Mineta and more importantly Belger who he is communicating with get it wrong is a strange one. I'm sure that when they were watching this plane, they were not aware of the Pentagon attack. Hence Mineta states earlier in his testimony that he hears of the attack, just after the count down. I would speculate that Cheney knew the target but the young man didn't. I would suggest that he was giving him an update from their location at the White House. They have moved Cheney from his office in the White House to the PEOC, so therefore I would guess that it was 50. 30 10 miles from that location. It could have been the Pentagon but it is likely to be the white house...not that it matters as such as the Pentagon is nearby. You are right there. Mineta infers a shoot down order...but we know there was no fighters near AA77 to intercept it, they were not told or sent elsewhere, so how can it be a shoot down order. I think Mineta is out of the loop on this one for sure..... If it was a shoot down order, why would the young man question it? I'm sure he would have been aware of the 2 previous attacks at the WTC, hence he is in the PEOC with Cheney. So if they know a plane is heading towards them and Cheney gave a shoot down order, what was going to shoot it down? Nothing! Why would the man question Cheney about an order he gave him, asking him if it still stands, is that the order was strange and he wanted to make sure. So it must have been something he didn't expect..... If it was a stand down or send fighters in the wrong direction order, this would explain why he is asking Cheney if it still stands, he is aware a plane is heading towards them or Pentagon. We know that planes were scrambled about 9:30, but were sent elsewhere..... The question is who sent them in the wrong direction? Hence we need a new investigation. 
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| Michal | Jan 12 2009, 05:52 AM Post #59 |
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OK, correction, I believe Mineta was not in the loop. He did not know what is going on and therefore tried to understand. If Cheney planned the whole action (along with others) than he knew where the "plane" is going to hit. I am pretty sure they did not leave much things to happen accidentally
Edited by Michal, Jan 12 2009, 10:35 AM.
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| Stundie | Jan 14 2009, 01:46 PM Post #60 |
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I see Boone is not touching this one with a barge pole.....lol |
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 14 2009, 09:16 PM Post #61 |
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Stundie, what do you make of this?
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| Stundie | Jan 15 2009, 11:43 AM Post #62 |
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That Belger learned of the crash into the Pentagon shortly after it happened. He and Garvey got on the phone with Norm Mineta who decided to bring everything down (around 9:45) which was implemented. Or as Mineta puts it "At approximately 9:45… I gave the FAA the final order for all civil aircraft to land at the nearest airport as soon as possible." Then Belger continued to monitor the system as it executed this order. All aircraft were down and the system grounded by 12:15 P.M. Why what do you make of it?  Cheers Stundie
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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Jan 15 2009, 02:12 PM Post #63 |
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You are killing it Stundie. I am lovin it! Boone is bankrupt.
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jan 15 2009, 02:22 PM Post #64 |
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 15 2009, 03:26 PM Post #65 |
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It makes me wonder why Belger and Garvey would be "getting on the phone" with Mineta after he (Belger) learned of the Pentagon crash when Mineta claims that the first thing he did after arriving at the PEOC was call and maintain an open line with Belger and Garvey.
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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Jan 15 2009, 05:46 PM Post #66 |
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Perhaps becasue he was already on the phone and the spooks are fudging with the timelines. It makes me wonder why you didn't talk to Ed Paik or any witnesses at all. It makes me wonder why you anonymously cast doubt on witnesses who expose a crime against humanity. Don't you have a swingers party to go to or something? |
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| Stundie | Jan 15 2009, 10:16 PM Post #67 |
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Why would you interpret they got on the phone to Mineta as....they didn't have open lines. You can have open lines to people and not be on the phone to them.....lol  He also kept working the 2 phones.....or did you forget that bit. They were on separate lines and Belger states he and Garvey got on the phone and got the order at 9:45 as Mineta states whilst in the PEOC. I think you are making this stuff up.....lol |
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| Stundie | Jan 15 2009, 10:17 PM Post #68 |
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Good post Aldo, not seen the vids before but will need to take a closer look tomorrow. Cheers Stundie
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 16 2009, 11:40 AM Post #69 |
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Why would you interpret getting on the phone with Mineta after the Pentagon was struck as anything other than getting on the phone after the Pentagon was struck? According to Mineta, Belger was relaying the aircraft's location from as far as 50 miles out up until the time it disappeared from radar and later.
No, I didn't forget that bit. You must've missed where I quoted him in my previous post. |
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| Stundie | Jan 18 2009, 02:49 PM Post #70 |
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Mineta says he is working 2 phones before the Pentagon crash with Garvey and Belger. Garvey and Belger do not appear to be communicating with each other at this time, he is working 2 phones remember. They hear of the Pentagon attack..... He says he gave the order about 9:45, so Belger says he and Garvey get on the phone. I would interpret that to mean a 3 way conversation, so they BOTH could co-ordinate together with Mineta in bringing the planes down. Otherwise, Mineta would be consistently working the 2 phones......why you find that suspicious is hilarious! It is you who interprets this as odd for the simple reason you need for Mineta to be wrong, you seem to think because Belger says he and Garvey got on the phone to him at 9:45 when the order was given, that he was not in contact with Belger in the PEOC before the Pentagon attack. Cheney already confirms he is with Mineta in the PEOC when they hear of the Pentagon attack, so therefore they were both in the PEOC before 9:37 and if we take word of Richard Clarke, before 9:28. There is no evidence or logical reason to doubt Mineta testimony, however there are plenty of psychological reasons....lol So Mineta account and Belgers accounts do not contradict each other, they add up.....regardless of how many points you would like not to believe it. Edited by Stundie, Jan 18 2009, 02:51 PM.
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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Jan 20 2009, 01:01 PM Post #71 |
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Stundie, you are doing an excellent job of breaking apart his web of confusion. Boone, I am still waiting for you to show me when Flight 93 was between the USA Today building and Reagan National. Show me where Flight 93, or shit even Flight 77, "had actually over-passed the Pentagon, then turned around and then came back into it". |
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| Stundie | Jan 20 2009, 05:50 PM Post #72 |
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Don't worry Aldo, I've been asking debunkers to debunk the whole Mineta thing since I 1st started looking into the possibility of a conspiracy. What they fail to realise is that these fantasy filled illusions and excuses they use to believe that Mineta is wrong actually make my theory stronger. Its like when you face a debunker with the fact that ALL the witnesses say the plane went North Side. Only intellectual dishonestly, cognitive dissonance, lack of conscience, an allergic reaction to contradictory evidence of the official story or mental health issues can only make you think otherwise....lol Cheers Stundie p.s. I don't think Boone is going to show us flight 93 between USA Today building and Reagan National.....Pssst! Aldo, I think he as an allergic reaction....but I wouldn't rule out the other possibilities. ;).....lol |
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 20 2009, 06:26 PM Post #73 |
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| 22205 | Jan 20 2009, 06:38 PM Post #74 |
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can u please source that quote boone? i cant seem to find it anywhere on the net: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Now+coming+over+to+the+White+House+and+you%27re+down+there+in+the+bunker%22&btnG=Search thank you. |
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| Boonedoggled | Jan 20 2009, 07:04 PM Post #75 |
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http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/ http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Mineta#Flight_93_never_10_miles_out |
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