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Boone's excuse for Mineta's DRA flight path; selective reading is fundamental
Topic Started: Dec 15 2008, 10:25 PM (1,934 Views)
Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 15 2008, 10:25 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	I laughed MAO when I saw this thread by Boone at the pseudoskeptic forum: Another Mineta thread Quick background.... We present a large body of evidence proving the Pentagon attack jet flew east of the Pentagon fatally contradicting the NTSB and 84 RADES data in our presentation The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off. One of those pieces of evidence is an interview with Norman Mineta where he describes the plane as having taken the "down river approach" commonly referred to as the "DRA". The interview was conducted by Robert Hager for MSNBC but of course it's been removed from their archived pages. Old link: http://www.msnbc.com/modules/91102/interviews/mineta.asp?0cb=-31a105678&cp1=1 But Boone linked to a re-posted transcript of it on 911myths.com He is trying to dismiss Mineta's comments about the "DRA" as being in regards to "Flight 93" but of course this is completely wrong and would have been evident if he had actually read the whole thing. This statement from the same interview shortly after the quotes Boone cites clearly regarding the same plane is enough to definitively prove Mineta was specifically referring to the Pentagon attack jet and that he was quite conscious of this. Quote: And in fact, later on, in looking at the radar track, the plane had actually over-passed the Pentagon, then turned around and then came back into it, and it never took a wide sweep to cross over to the east side of the White House. Obviously Mineta was NOT talking about 93 and obviously he was not describing the fraudulent NTSB west of river flight path that NEVER has the plane "over-passing" the Pentagon. Not surprisingly the new jref resident poo-flinging monkey pseudo-skeptic John Farmer had to express his voice of support for this completely idiotic and clearly debunked blunder from Boone. John Farmer Good work Boone870! Another myth bites the dust. (der. ima duhbunker! twoofers are dumb!) So what up Boone? Are you going to man up and demonstrate a shred of intellectual honesty by publicly conceding both here and at jref that you were WRONG? My bets are against you.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 15 2008, 11:06 PM Post #2
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Craig Are you going to man up and demonstrate a shred of intellectual honesty by publicly conceding both here and at jref that you were WRONG? Speaking of intellectual honesty... one quick question: If you were flying along in the left seat of an airplane between Andrews Air Force Base and Reagan National Airport and the magnetic compass was indicating 270°, would you be flying WEST? It's a simple yes or no question. Show everyone your intellectual honesty and then we can continue.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 15 2008, 11:17 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	It doesn't matter since O'Brien says NORTH and west. O'Brien said north. The south side of the Mall is north of Andrews. That is where O'Brien said he flew. South side of Reagan where RADES fraudulently shows the C-130 is not north of Andrews. That is not where O'Brien said he flew and the witnesses on the ground prove we were right. North does not mean south. Nice attempt to deflect but you are wrong AGAIN. Now be a man, go back to jref like a good duhbunker and admit you were wrong about Mineta too. Obviously flight 93 wouldn't have "over-passed the Pentagon". You lose Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Dec 15 2008, 11:24 PM.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Dec 16 2008, 01:24 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,967 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	geez boone you're like the punching bag around here.......
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Stundie	Dec 16 2008, 08:19 AM Post #5
Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	What Boone also does is ignore plenty of other evidence like Cheney himself stating that he was with Mineta in the PEOC before the Pentagon attack, this fact is ignored and it will not deter people like Boone to ignore that and find any other evidence which makes Mineta wrong, even though the reality is there is no evidence. I have asked over and over and over what evidence is there to suggest that Mineta is mistaken and gotten nothing, yet they still believe it is true with the kind of blind faith that only fundamentalists show. So Boone, what OTHER evidence do you have which proves or at least shows that Mineta was not watching AA77 and was mistaken? Anything else or is this it?
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Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 16 2008, 09:48 AM Post #6
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Stundie Dec 16 2008, 08:19 AM So Boone, what OTHER evidence do you have which proves or at least shows that Mineta was not watching AA77 and was mistaken? Anything else or is this it? Boone needs to man up and admit he was wrong before he ever says another thing in ANY forum. That is if he wants to be taken the least bit seriously or demonstrate the remotest amount of intellectual honesty.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 16 2008, 10:38 AM Post #7
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Craig North does not mean south. Of course it doesn't, but 270° equals west and you won't admit that because you are well aware of the 10° West magnetic variance in the area. Anyhow, I'll get back to the topic. Craig This statement from the same interview shortly after the quotes Boone cites clearly regarding the same plane is enough to definitively prove Mineta was specifically referring to the Pentagon attack jet and that he was quite conscious of this. You nailed it, Craig. When Mineta says "and in fact, later on, looking at the rader track," he is referring to the radar track of Flight 77 because there was no radar track of Flight 93, only the TSD path. Mineta Oh, absolutely, it's something like that, but at least at the time the track of the radar was following what would be considered the down-river approach and it never came over to cross the east side of the Potomac River and it just followed the river all the way in.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 16 2008, 11:51 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Are you admitting your wrong or not? Just do it. It will make it a lot easier. Either you look like a fool or you admit you were wrong and actually GAIN credibility for being honest. How could your pride be so strong that this would be a hard choice to make?
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Boonedoggled	Dec 16 2008, 02:04 PM Post #9
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	One more time, Craig. Mineta it never came over to cross the east side of the Potomac River and it just followed the river all the way in.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 16 2008, 02:44 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Dec 16 2008, 02:04 PM One more time, Craig. Mineta it never came over to cross the east side of the Potomac River and it just followed the river all the way in. Yep. But he is describing it EAST of the Pentagon because the river is EAST of the Pentagon and he said it "over-passed" the Pentagon. No matter how you slice it, the DRA contradicts the NTSB flight path and THAT is the point. I'll be perfectly honest here Boone....I don't believe Mineta. I think Woody Box has demonstrated quite well how he is a liar. It is YOU who has to believe Mineta since you are a government loyalist who will support the official lie to your death. Mineta was not referring to 93 in the quotes you cited. You are wrong.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 16 2008, 04:41 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Don't worry Craig, I think Boone will get into the swing of things.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 16 2008, 05:01 PM Post #12
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Craig No matter how you slice it, the DRA contradicts the NTSB flight path and THAT is the point. I know that's the point, but you keep missing it. Mineta is confusing two separate events. One of them being the approach of Flight 77 from the west before he arrived at the PEOC and the second one being the TSD flight path of Flight 93 from the northwest after he arrived at the PEOC. Neither one of which match the CIT Loop. Do you remember the arrival flight plans showing that UAL93 landed at Reagan National at 10:28 a.m.? How about this document? It has the same 10:28 arrival time and it also shows that UAL93's flight plan was updated at 10:08 a.m. and was changed from SFO to HGR-DCA. Here's the hand written statement from the controller who updated the flight plan: The TSD flight path happened, this is what Mineta is describing, and Belger's references match it perfectly.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 16 2008, 05:23 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: I started to establish a direct line to the FAA to find out what was going on, and the Vice President and I were across from each other on the conference room table in the PEOC, and about this time someone came in and said this was -- when I finally got in there, it was probably about 9:27, is what I recall. And a little later on, someone said, "Mr. Vice President, there's a plane 50-miles out." So I was talking to Monte Belger, the Deputy Director of the FAA, and I said, "Monte, what do you have 50-miles out?" He said, "Well, we have a target, bogey, on the radar, but the transponder's been turned off, so we have no identification of this aircraft. We don't know who it is. We don't know what altitude it's at, speed or anything else. All we're doing is watching with the sweep of the radar, the dot moving from position to position." So then someone came in, the same person came in and said, "Mr. Vice President, it -- the plane's 30-miles out." So I said, "Monte, can you see it, and where is it in relationship to the ground?" He said, "Well, that's difficult to really determine. I would guess it's somewhere between Great Falls and National Airport, coming what they call the DRA, the down river approach." And so then the person came in and said, "Mr. Vice President, the plane's ten-miles out," and so I said, "Monte, where is it?" and he said, "Well, I'm not really sure but I'd be guessing somewhere maybe between the USA Today building and, and National Airport." And then pretty soon he said, "Oh-oh, we just lost the target." And so a few moments later, someone came in and said, "Mr. Vice President, there's been an explosion at the Pentagon." So I said, "Monte, is there something -- can you identify it as being at the Pentagon?" He said, "No, we can't really pinpoint it like that." Then about that time someone broke into our phone conversation and said, "Mr. Secretary, we've had a call from an Arlington County police officer saying that he saw an American Airlines airplane go into the Pentagon." Then Hager takes him back over it once again where Mineta reiterates... Quote: HAGER: Now coming over to the White House and you're down there in the bunker, and that third unidentified blip is coming down the Potomac. For one thing, had you thought about the possibility that it might be -- I mean you're at the White House. That's the center where everything is going on. Is that something that would have gone through your mind? MINETA: Well, the question was where is it coming. And so as I was asking Monte, it was following pretty much the DRA, the down river approach, and it had not crossed over towards the White House or towards the Capitol. It was staying on its line towards what would normally be the traffic pattern into National Airport. And in fact, later on, in looking at the radar track, the plane had actually over-passed the Pentagon, then turned around and then came back into it, and it never took a wide sweep to cross over to the east side of the White House. Seems pretty specific. Unless you want to tell us where the official story flight paths for Flights 77 and 93 take them over and past the Pentagon. But like everything else you cover-up clowns just write it off to a mistake or mis remembering or mixing it up then try and spin your way out of it trying to take the gov't supplied data that has been buried for 7 yrs and simply act like you are innocently shedding light on the matter using valid unmanipulated data. Of course, you steer clear of those other two dreaded words: Steve Chaconas. But then he is mistaken too riiiiight? He saw the C-130. No it was the e4b. No it was a little commuter flight out of Eaton Airport. You fucking people can't even keep your explanations straight. But that is the game right? Cast doubt and confusion. Fucking demons. How does it feel to help cover up mass murder Boone? Are they paying you in cash or baby blood? Maybe some Franklin Cover-up kids? Or do you just do this for fun?
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Boonedoggled	Dec 16 2008, 07:34 PM Post #14
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Craig Mineta was not referring to 93 in the quotes you cited. Yes he was. Aldo How does it feel to help cover up mass murder Boone? Are they paying you in cash or baby blood? Maybe some Franklin Cover-up kids? Or do you just do this for fun? It's the dental plan and the wonderful punch they serve at the Christmas parties. Flight 77 never came close to the down river approach, USA Today Building, or Great Falls.
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Bitterman	Dec 17 2008, 01:47 AM Post #15
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	How can you possibly post that picture with NOTHING to back it up? Wow, you guys are getting desperate here. Instead the only witness to the event was Steve Chaconas who watched the plane loop around in front of him and go down to produce smoke at what he thought was the airport. This is his testimony and I am sure you realize he had clients in the boat and I'm sure their stories would be the same as well. A plane did fly over the river, unlike what ANY pseudo-skeptic will say. They will say ANYTHING else except addressing the real information. They can't touch guys like Chaconas. The most they could must on Chaconas was that he couldn't tell the difference between a turbo-prop and a commercial jet. The guy lives on the river with jets flying over him every three minutes. Are you still here Boone? Want to address some real facts or are you just here to show how much of a bullshitter you are?
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 17 2008, 12:17 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Dec 16 2008, 07:34 PM Flight 77 never came close to the down river approach, USA Today Building, or Great Falls. "Flight 77" also never: -flew over or next to DC as it has now been proven. -flew from east of the Potomac toward the Pentagon which as also now been proven. -flew north of the Citgo which has been proven to death -missed the light pole path which has been proven -pulled up into an ascent which has now been proven. -was seen banking around the south parking lot after the explosion which has been proven. Flight 77 never did those things because it wasn't Flight 77 and it did't hit the light poles or Pentagon. I think they've been putting something in that punch, Boone. Like baby blood. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Dec 17 2008, 12:51 PM.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 17 2008, 12:53 PM Post #17
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Bitterman How can you possibly post that picture with NOTHING to back it up? Wow, you guys are getting desperate here. http://911workinggroup.org/foia/911%20COMMISSION%20REPORT%20DATA%20(redact)/5%20AWA%20323%20Package%20ZOB%20Copies%20of%20Personnel%20Statements%20from%20Package.pdf
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 17 2008, 12:56 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	-Ari Fleischer admits there was another flight path that took the plane towards the white house and not well SW of it as the NTSB/RADES/radar data attempts to depict. Quote: Sources say the hijacked jet continued east at a high speed toward the city, but flew several miles south of the restricted airspace around the White House. [...] At the White House Friday, spokesman Ari Fleischer saw it a different way. "That is not the radar data that we have seen," Fleischer said, adding, "The plane was headed toward the White House." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/...ain310721.shtml -ATC Danielle O'Brien was sure the plane "over-shot" or over missed the White House. Quote: O'Brien went to the Pentagon to see what happened for herself, making her ever more certain that the Pentagon was a secondary target, and that the hijackers overshot or missed the White House. "I've been down to the Pentagon and stood on the hillside and imagined where, according to what I saw on the radar, that flight would have come from," she says. "And I think that they came eastbound and because sun was in their eyes that morning, and because the White House was beyond a grove of trees, I think they couldn't see it. It was too fast. They came over that Pentagon or saw it just in front of them. You can't miss the Pentagon. It's so telltale by its shape and its size, and they said, 'Look, there it is. Take that. Get that.' They certainly could have had the White House if they had seen it." http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124266&page=3 or http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822&page=1 -Col Deskins reports the radar terminating over Washington DC: Quote: Poster 22205: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8721198283922671798 IMPORTANT note at 15:20 minutes video time of the above clip: Colonel Deskins, a lady radar person (with air force uniform), from the New York Command Center (of norad) comes on: -and she very SPECIFICALLY describes the last maneuver of the plane. whats KEY in her exact quote is this (bolded): Quote: "we caught, on the radar scope, a few blips, maybe 7 or 8 (hands showing the spiral maneuver motion in correspondence with these radar dots), just enough to kinda go around in a half circle and then fade, eh - losing radar contact - RIGHT OVER um, WASHINGTON." Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Dec 17 2008, 12:56 PM.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 17 2008, 09:46 PM Post #19
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Aldo, neither Fleischer nor O'Brien place Flight 77 over DC. And Deskins' account does not support the CIT Loop.
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Michal	Dec 18 2008, 03:59 AM Post #20
Posts: 52 Group: Members Member #320 Joined: 02/16/08	you are not defending your case anymore … you know that ... you are struggling not to admit you were mistaken. None of the parties will respect you for this … Edited by Michal, Dec 18 2008, 04:00 AM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 18 2008, 01:28 PM Post #21
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Dec 17 2008, 09:46 PM Aldo, neither Fleischer nor O'Brien place Flight 77 over DC. And Deskins' account does not support the CIT Loop. Wrong. They certainly don't reflect the SW flight path loop. Heading to the white house (Fleischer), over shooting the white house (O'Brien), over passing the Pentagon and coming back(Mineta/Belger), a half circle terminating over DC for one person(Deskins) is evidence of some sort of DRA or pass near or partially over DC eventually ending up approaching from the east side of the Potomac heading toward the Pentagon(Chaconas). They all support the hypothetical flight path or "CIT loop" we came up with.
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Boonedoggled	Dec 18 2008, 07:27 PM Post #22
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Aldo They all support the hypothetical flight path or "CIT loop" we came up with. Would you care to display this hypothetical flight path? I noticed that Craig made a change to the C-130's flight path, but the rest of the loop was not included. Don't forget to add the following references that you guys tout all the time: C-130 flying westbound on the south side of the mall. (Your interpretation of O'Brien's words) Flight 77 flying "northbound" at the C-130's 12 o'clock position in a 45° bank (ATC recordings and O'Brien's words) C-130 turning right to a heading of 080° (per the copilot and ATC recordings) Points between Great Falls, Rosslyn, USA Today building, and National Airport while flying the DRA without ever having crossed over to the Eastside of the Potomac (Mineta/Belger) Hovering over the mall area at an altitude lower than the Washington Monument (Bob Hunt) Lazy pattern in the no-fly zone over the White House and US Cap (Tom Hovis) Overhead at the Oval Room restaurant in Lafayette Park (Joe Hurst) loitering over Georgetown in a high, left-hand bank (General Vaughn) Up the Potomac, turning sharply over the Capitol, running past the White House and Washington Monument, up the river to Rosslyn, and dropping down to treetop level before heading down Washington Boulevard to the Pentagon (Cook) C-130 approaching DC from the West directly behind the smoke plume (Cook) Approach to the Capitol from the southeast, make a fighter pilot turn over the Capitol then head west before turning back and impacting the west side of the Pentagon (Cook) 6 miles southeast of the White House at 9:35:41 (Scoggins) 6 miles southwest of the White House at 9:36:16 (Scoggins) 6 miles east of the White House at 9:36:23 (Nasypany) East to west trajectory over the Potomac River 5 miles south of Reagan National (Chaconas) Northeast flight path over Washington, DC (Deskins) North of the Citgo (CIT witnesses) Pulling up over the Pentagon (no witnesses) 100 feet above Lane 1 in South Parking (Roberts Jr.) C-130 approaching from the northwest (ANC workers) I may have forgotten some, but this should be a good start. Please point out at which point in the loop you would consider overshooting the White House and overpassing the Pentagon.
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Stundie	Dec 18 2008, 09:18 PM Post #23
Posts: 888 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Wait a minute.....aren't they all mistaken? This is the projected flight path of UA93 ain't it??
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Dec 19 2008, 01:36 PM Post #24
Posts: 1,642 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Here you go Boone... Use your imagination:
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Craig Ranke CIT	Dec 19 2008, 02:04 PM Post #25
Posts: 1,451 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Isn't it hilarious how pseudo-skeptics hypocritically suggest that 13 confirmed witness accounts, most of which were filmed on location, are all ridiculously mistaken in the exact same way about a very general claim while simultaneously holding us to extremely specific details from them and other witnesses in regards to an exactly precise flight path or aeronautic values? General claims Boone. North of citgo, east of river. That's all we need to expect from the witnesses and that is all we need to prove. It is what we HAVE proved and you know it. It scares you which is why you follow our research every day.
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