AMTMAN

Feb 20 2008, 08:48 PM

No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref.

We have to take you at your word on that. For all we know you received an "anonymous" e-mail.

Although there might be another possibility. How do you know he really is who he says he is? Do you know what an AA ID looks like? As we all know it’s real easy to get fake id's in today’s world. Since you seem to think AA might be in on it he might be a plant to throw you off the trail. I do find it funny that you did not bother to look into his claims a little more deeply.

Aldo Marquis CIT

Feb 21 2008, 12:18 PM

If the document was inserted AFTER the info was discovered and article was published this would explain why AMTMAN is trying to maintain his anonymity. At this point, he is trying to cast doubt on our source and make him seem like an incompetent moron or person impersonating an AA employee. He is trying every trick in the book. This does not change the fact that AA legal, AA customer relations, and our source could not produce this same document that this anonymous entity produced AFTER the document was released. Our source has access to the same system this anonymous person is supposed to have yet this ANONYMOUS entity splashes onto the scene right after the article comes out acting EXACTLY like cointel wearing a plane mechanic's uniform waving this document around.

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I think everyone knows why you won't disclose your identity to us and allow us to verify your length of employment with AA. Because your document was created after the info was discovered and published and you don't really work for AA.

Aldo Marquis CIT

Feb 20 2008, 06:27 PM

AMTMAN

Feb 20 2008, 05:38 PM

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Thank you for proving me right Aldo. You are so predictable.

Aw, you're welcome. Is that supposed to prep the reader? Does that mean they must automatically trust you?

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And you aren't an aviation professional, you are an anonymous user on Jref.

That's exactly what your source is by definition.

No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref.

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We offered you an opportunity to sign an agreement preventing you from divulging or disclosing our contact's name, as we would do the same for you in order that we are able to sort this out. We were the ONLY PARTY concerned with getting to the bottom of this.

Any contract written up by you is not worth the paper it's printed on. I know the second I gave you my name I would be getting threatening phone calls. Quite frankly you don't care about getting to the bottom of anything. All you care about is your little pet theory. It was quite easy for you to sort this out. Have your "source" look up the information I provided. Also if I remember correctly either you or Craig asked me to "work with us and not against us". Another SOP for you two.

Oh please. You won't get any threatening phone calls you coward. But nice way to try and taint the reader's mind. Show me where I threatened someone by phone. We have already went through this with you. First things are first, prove who you are and prove the validity. of your paper. We will not have him look up the information as we do not want to compromise his identity.

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Rob Balsamo: Still working on it. AMTMAN is not going to like it when we're done. Im not surprised he wants to pry us for information as you must remember that he is the anonymous one who showed up a few days after the article was published with paperwork that AA Customer Relations, AA Legal Dept and our source could not produce in the months prior. His paperwork also contradicts the PR Rep of AA and Apathoid. Feel free to quote me.

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< http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search?q=cit >

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What's this? More shit from an another anonymous operative? Good job. You guys are making it easier to connect and identify you and your associates. Isn't it interesting how a Jref Skeptic is using the site of a "9/11 truther" against other 9/11 truthers.

Remember everyone, Arabesque and AMTMAN are anonymous!!!! Think about it!!

None of that link means shit and all of it from an anonymous sabotuer who can't even list witnesses to the Pentagon properly. For crying out loud, he posts witnesses who weren't even there.

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Instead he ignored it and tries to bring this out to use over and over, because he knows CIT doesn't care

That's odd, you seemed to care when you thought the evidence supported your side. As soon as it was shown to be otherwise both you and Rob attacked me then pulled a disappearing act.

Oh no toots. You seem to forget, we were never involved in this research other than to provide Rob with the source and some support for his findings. No one disappeared, b*tch. We've been right here or on PFT's site. Why don't you take your anonymous ass to PFT's forum??? Hmmm?????

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Rob has provided the evidence and moved on waiting for him to prove the validity of his ID and his printout, and because he knows we won't divulge our contact's name.

Rob provided a bogus story pure and simple. Now in the beginning one could make the argument he made a mistake because his "source" did give him all the pertinent facts. However as soon as new evidence showed that his story was wrong and he continued to say it was true he crossed over into knowingly perpetrating a fraud.

What new evidence? There is none. I saw a fishy printout from an anonymous user on Jref who claims to work for AA who just happened to surface after this article came out.

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I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional. He is part of the mysterious, ANONYMOUS, alleged aviation "professionals" at Jref who coincidentally surfaced after the work of CIT and PFT began to rise to prominence. He posts exactly like them.

Once again Aldo than you for proving me right. What's the matter, don't want to talk about the evidence I provided? I surfaced because I stumbled across that BS air phones story and thought it important to show the facts as they were.

There is no evidence, silly. You have not provided evidence. Don't you get it? We are the reporters, we are the investigators, we have the identified source, we were provided the document from this source. You are the ones contesting it, you are the ones who need to provide VERIFIED documentation from a VERIFIED source. You stink like an operative. You're just another Arabtown, Kill-esque anonymous sabotuer. You know we will not divulge his name and you know we won't send our source back in there digging for shit so he can be ID'd now that this has become a big stink and you know that. That's why you are playing this game with us. Oh you just stumbled onto this? Apathoid did not bring you to the mix???? Hmmmm.

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Has the same type venom that interestingly started a little soon for being new to the whole issue.

So now anyone who posts anything that contradicts the great CIT or Rob is actually posting venom, nice. Maybe you can find some documentation to neutralize my "venom". Wait a minute, you don't have any.

We already have lol. Ain't ya been paying attention.

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He actually surfaced after the airphone issue through another anonymous user and alleged aviation mechanic/tech, named Apathoid.

What?

That's what I remember.

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He only brings this up because he knows we won't divulge the name of our contact so he uses that against us to cast doubt.

I actually bought this up to prove a point. The point being that CIT and PfT will jump on any story without verifying if it's actually true if they think it supports their "cause".

No anony-MAN, we verify. That's what we do. Haven't ya seen our work yet? lol.

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And when facts come out showing they are wrong do they admit as much? No they do not, they attack, attack and attack some more. So far Aldo is true to form.

Attack? It's all facts, sweety. You have no evidence. You don't even exist. lol. You're a name and a profile. lol.

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He thinks we really care about airphones when we have already proven the Pentagon attack a lie.

Like I said before you seemed to care when you thought the facts were on your side. And no Aldo you have not proven the Pentagon attack was a lie. All you have proven is that two guys can waste their time and money flying from one coast to another. If you flew AA thanks for the business.

No I didn't care. Craig maybe more than myself. But I didn't and it wasn't important in the grand scheme things. Oh no, baby-doll-sugar pop, we have proven the attack a lie. Didn't ya know, the witnesses all place the plane on the north side of the Citgo and will not recant it. We didn't fly AA, as we couldn't find the special edition remote guided all white, no markings model to fly on. lol. Speaking of business, would ya like a DVD, they are only $15 and go to a worthwhile cause.

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And like I said, we were willing to hash this out and provide the ID of our contact's name so long as he was protected. He chose to continue on with his campaign. He wants us to divulge his ID so he can drop a dime and get him fired. Isn't that right?

I really don't care what his name is. He could have easily set up an anonymous e-mail account and dropped me a line. For whatever reason he choose not to do so. And by the way I'm not a rat. While I may think your source is a moron I'm not in the business of being a stoolie. Besides, under what grounds could he be fired for? Giving a maintenance manual page to Rob? I've seen guys do a lot worse and still keep their jobs. Now he would look like a complete idiot to his manager and he might be told to do a little remedial training but that's as far as it would probably go.

Yawn, blah blah blah. reall confident aint' he? Especially when he gets to remain anonymous and our sources puts his job on the line. NEWS FLASH: You do not work for AA. You do not even exist. You are not a real person. You are just a name and a profile.

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Let us know when you are ready to tackle the north side witnesses who still stand by their placement of the plane and are willing to testify in a court of law, the fraudulent FDR and lack descent angle seen in the surveillance video, the FDR being irreconcilable with the physical damage, the plane being approaching east of the Potomac, Mineta/Belger placing it DRA near Great Falls/Rosslyn, and the plane being 6 mi SE of the WH.

Aldo in order for what you say to be true it would mean either AA is in on the conspiracy or they are completely clueless. Which is it?

Maybe it's both. What does that have to do with the plane being on the north side.

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Until then why don't surry back under a rock with the rest of the roaches at Jref.

Once again Aldo thank you oh so very much in proving me right.

You are so welcome, anony-MAN. Let me know when you are ready.

Aldo Marquis CIT

Feb 21 2008, 12:18 PM

AMTMAN

Feb 20 2008, 08:48 PM

No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref.

We have to take you at your word on that. For all we know you received an "anonymous" e-mail.

Although there might be another possibility. How do you know he really is who he says he is? Do you know what an AA ID looks like? As we all know it’s real easy to get fake id's in today’s world. Since you seem to think AA might be in on it he might be a plant to throw you off the trail. I do find it funny that you did not bother to look into his claims a little more deeply.

This is what is called neutralizing.

See, the key to this whole thing is revealing AMTMAN's identity and length of employment with AA.

If the document was inserted AFTER the info was discovered and article was published this would explain why AMTMAN is trying to maintain his anonymity. At this point, he is trying to cast doubt on our source and make him seem like an incompetent moron or person impersonating an AA employee. He is trying every trick in the book. This does not change the fact that AA legal, AA customer relations, and our source could not produce this same document that this anonymous entity produced AFTER the document was released. Our source has access to the same system this anonymous person is supposed to have yet this ANONYMOUS entity splashes onto the scene right after the article comes out acting EXACTLY like cointel wearing a plane mechanic's uniform waving this document around.

The amazing thing is JREFers were going to extraordinary lengths to say and prove our document was fake, yet they take this one at face value.

This is why he is setting up the "AA was in on it" strawman. He is getting it ready for when people assert that the document was created and inserted after the fact. I can guarantee you this is also why he is using the "i'm scared you'll call and threaten me" (a'la Gravy/Pickering) nonsense to prevent us from verifying his identity and length of employment with AA.

Watch him very carefully.

Aldo Marquis CIT

Feb 21 2008, 03:19 PM

Rob Balsamo: "Ask AMTMAN why he hasnt produced the same AA 757 Maint. Manual page we have and keeps avoiding it when asked? He doesnt produce it, because it will verify it to the JREFers that in fact the page is not fake. JREFers check their critical thinking skills at the door when anything comes along that supports the govt story.. .even if its from an anonymous source on the net."

AMTMAN

Mar 15 2008, 02:12 PM

Also as far as I can remember Rob has never asked me to produce it. I've produced about everything else to show that his fantasy about the air phones being deactivated is just that, a fantasy. And so far he has yet to prove otherwise.

Reddawn

Mar 15 2008, 09:26 PM

AMTMAN

Mar 15 2008, 02:12 PM

Also as far as I can remember Rob has never asked me to produce it. I've produced about everything else to show that his fantasy about the air phones being deactivated is just that, a fantasy. And so far he has yet to prove otherwise.

Does Rob post here?

If not, why?

Does he just send his boys to post for him instead?

Kinda like tc329 at jref?

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You are so welcome, anony-MAN. Let me know when you are ready.

No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref.

We have to take your word on that.

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Oh please. You won't get any threatening phone calls you coward. But nice way to try and taint the reader's mind. Show me where I threatened someone by phone.

Actually I was refering to Rob, that's the game he likes to play. You on the other hand makes threats and name call on message boards.

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First things are first, prove who you are and prove the validity. of your paper. We will not have him look up the information as we do not want to compromise his identity.

Oh please, the first thing Rob probably did when the information that contradicts his air phone theory came out was to contact his source. He was under the mistaken belief that his source could blow my information out of the water. The fact that he has not provided any such info in the past six months should tell you something. Also the idea your source would comprimise his identity by looking up information is a joke. Besides, what does he have to hide?

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Rob Balsamo: Still working on it. AMTMAN is not going to like it when we're done.

He's had six months to do so. What's the hold up? By the way, I have a little suprise for him.

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Oh no toots. You seem to forget, we were never involved in this research other than to provide Rob with the source and some support for his findings.

Wait a minute, you just said earlier that you would not have him look up information that would comprimise his idnetity. Now you are saying all you did was provide the source to Rob. Is he your source or Rob's source?

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There is no evidence, silly. You have not provided evidence. Don't you get it? We are the reporters, we are the investigators, we have the identified source, we were provided the document from this source.

So basically you are judge, jury and executioner and nobody should question you because you have all the answers? Once again all that has been provided from your side is one page from the AA 757 maintenance manual. Without of course an explanation as to what it all means.

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You know we will not divulge his name and you know we won't send our source back in there digging for shit so he can be ID'd now that this has become a big stink and you know that.

More paranoia and excuse making. As I said before I really don't care what his name is. The information can easily be found by him without comprimising his identity. Quite frankly AA could care less about who he is as well.

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I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional.

That's odd, Rob seems to think I am.

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You do not work for AA. You do not even exist. You are not a real person

I don't exist and I'm not a real person? Prove it smart guy.

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Maybe it's both. What does that have to do with the plane being on the north side.

Well if that's the case maybe you should launch another "investigation" on how AA was in on the conspiracy. A conspiracy that almost bankrupted it and added billions of dollars worth of debt to it's ballance sheet.

PBnJ

Mar 16 2008, 11:15 AM

banned from JRef for ad-homs

Aldo Marquis CIT

 

Have you ever read the posts from JREF?

Let me grab just a couple...

Kieth Beachy aka Beahnut:

"They are so stupid on making up stuff."...
SPreston is so challenged; it hurts to read his posts they are so dumb.
Pure stupid is on the loose at LCF

UK Dave:
So johndoex is a lying waste of space
based upon the imbecilic witterings of rob balsamo).

Mr Herbert to TC329 (Dom DiMaggio):

Get a life

Pardalis to TC329:
Creep.

Please ignore the creep

Aldo Marquis CIT

Mar 22 2008, 01:17 AM

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You are so welcome, anony-MAN. Let me know when you are ready.

No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref.

We have to take your word on that.

"AMTMAN", you are tipping your hand.

Have to take my word on it? Um, you've already confirmed that our document is legitimate. Which means our source is legitimate.

CIT is pulling back the curtain on another operation. From what I can tell, AMTMAN is bouncing back and forth between and I'm paraphrasing 'he's an incompetent AA mechanic who can only work the AA maintencance computer system enough to get one document' to 'hmm, how do you know he is a real AA mechanic, anybody can pretend to be mechanic with a badge'. AMTMAN is covering all bases. Placing the balls under the shells for a shell game, casting doubt for every category of truthseeker. Meanwhile his identity, credentials, and length of employment of employment with AA remain a mystery.

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Oh please. You won't get any threatening phone calls you coward. But nice way to try and taint the reader's mind. Show me where I threatened someone by phone.

Actually I was refering to Rob, that's the game he likes to play. You on the other hand makes threats and name call on message boards.

Threatening phone calls? Show me one threatening phone call from Rob? Show me where I made a threat since being part of CIT?

Names I'll cop to

I'm rough around the edges, but I'm the genuine article baby.

You are simply trying to character assassinate Rob and I using baseless accusations and did this while I was away. Your appearances and behavior seemed to be timed with my disappareances from LCF.

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First things are first, prove who you are and prove the validity. of your paper. We will not have him look up the information as we do not want to compromise his identity.

Oh please, the first thing Rob probably did when the information that contradicts his air phone theory came out was to contact his source. He was under the mistaken belief that his source could blow my information out of the water. The fact that he has not provided any such info in the past six months should tell you something. Also the idea your source would comprimise his identity by looking up information is a joke. Besides, what does he have to hide?

Oh it is no joke. He knows he will be terminated immediately. You know this also, except you aren't an AA employee and you want him to be made an example of. The idea of Rob or any of us attacking or threatening you is absurd. It's laughable. If anyone takes a step back you would see how odd and off it is that you would conceal your identity from us for that reason.

Come clean AMTMAN. This is a bet I am willing to take.

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Rob Balsamo: Still working on it. AMTMAN is not going to like it when we're done.

He's had six months to do so. What's the hold up? By the way, I have a little suprise for him.

No you don't. You would have produced it already.

The article and information stands. You and your document are not valid right now. You especially. There are contradictions related to your "page".

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Oh no toots. You seem to forget, we were never involved in this research other than to provide Rob with the source and some support for his findings.

Wait a minute, you just said earlier that you would not have him look up information that would comprimise his idnetity. Now you are saying all you did was provide the source to Rob. Is he your source or Rob's source?

I told you, he is my source and I referred Rob to him. I told you I would not ask him to look up the information because it would compromise his indentity and his job.

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There is no evidence, silly. You have not provided evidence. Don't you get it? We are the reporters, we are the investigators, we have the identified source, we were provided the document from this source.

So basically you are judge, jury and executioner and nobody should question you because you have all the answers? Once again all that has been provided from your side is one page from the AA 757 maintenance manual. Without of course an explanation as to what it all means.

It is all there, anyone including you are free to contact Rob. The final update is coming. Fret not.

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You know we will not divulge his name and you know we won't send our source back in there digging for shit so he can be ID'd now that this has become a big stink and you know that.

More paranoia and excuse making. As I said before I really don't care what his name is. The information can easily be found by him without comprimising his identity. Quite frankly AA could care less about who he is as well.

Nope. You'll just have to wait until update comes out. Right now, the focus is on you.

You are a big part of what is going in relation to this page.

Again, we are publically offering to sign an agreement and have it notarized in order to protect your identity and alleged job with AA. You seem to refuse and this is alarming.

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I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional.

That's odd, Rob seems to think I am.

You sure about that? I'd have a second thought on that one.

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You do not work for AA. You do not even exist. You are not a real person

I don't exist and I'm not a real person? Prove it smart guy.

Ok, you are one to three people on a disinfo team that works in tandem with the team that hacked into AA computers and inserted pages.( Now that's a conspiracy theory ;)) ....- prove you're not. If you refuse to privately divulge your information so we can investigate and verify it, then I have proven it.

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Maybe it's both. What does that have to do with the plane being on the north side.

Well if that's the case maybe you should launch another "investigation" on how AA was in on the conspiracy. A conspiracy that almost bankrupted it and added billions of dollars worth of debt to it's ballance sheet.

Debt is nothing. They simply turn it into another loan. That is the name of the game. You are building a strawman.

AA wasn't in on it and if they were who cares, that will come out in the end.

In the meantime, we'll continue pressing you to obtain and verify your ID, credentials/time with AA.

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In the meantime, we'll continue pressing you to obtain and verify your ID, credentials/time with AA.

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Threatening phone calls? Show me one threatening phone call from Rob? Show me where I made a threat since being part of CIT?

Well there's Rob's message to Russell Pickering about an army coming to get him. Then there's your threat towards Mark He pulled a Pickering. He is on the run because we were hunting him down.. That sounds like a threat to me.

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< http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/87254/4/ >

CIT is pulling back the curtain on another operation.

I'm sure you are. And what are you going to do with yet another "smoking gun"? Is it going to be on the evening news, the BBC, CNN or in the New York Post? No it will not, it will be used by you to sell cheap DVD's and troll messago boards.

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You are simply trying to character assassinate Rob and I using baseless accusations and did this while I was away. Your appearances and behavior seemed to be timed with my disappareances from LCF.

What do you mean baseless? I've already shown the whole air phone story put forth by PfT to be a huge fraud. The very fact you or Rob have not been able to come up with an documentation to prove me wrong says so. In spite of the fact of having a source and two AA AMT's who are PfT members.

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I'm rough around the edges, but I'm the genuine article baby.

No, you're a bully who follows a script. If someone disagrees with you you call them names make threats instead of addressing the issues they raise in a respectful manner.

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< http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search/label/Craig%20Ranke >

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Oh it is no joke. He knows he will be terminated immediately. You know this also, except you aren't an AA employee and you want him to be made an example of.

You're contradicting yourself Aldo, you've preety much already admitted that I work for AA.

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Terminated for what Aldo? For misrepresenting company documents? Quite frankly ALdo given the price of oil I'm sure AA has better things to worry about.

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It is all there, anyone including you are free to contact Rob. The final update is coming. Fret not.

It's not going to be an update, it will be nothing more than a continuation of a lie.

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Nope. You'll just have to wait until update comes out. Right now, the focus is on you.

On me? Seems to me that this is yet another excuse not to talk about the Temporary Revison, when the initial deactivation of the air phones occured or anything else related to the subject.

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Again, we are publically offering to sign an agreement and have it notarized in order to protect your identity and alleged job with AA. You seem to refuse and this is alarming.

Simple rule of thum, do not enter into a contract with someoen you do not trust. So far Aldo you have shown me to be the last person I should trust about anything.

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Ok, you are one to three people on a disinfo team that works in tandem with the team that hacked into AA computers and inserted pages.( Now that's a conspiracy theory ;)) ....- prove you're not. If you refuse to privately divulge your information so we can investigate and verify it, then I have proven it.

Hacked into AA's computers and inserted pages. Yet another example of a CT coming up with another conspiracy theory to protect anotehr conspiracy theory. If you have evidence of this you should stop wasting your time here and go to the FAA. Messing with an airlines maintenance manuals can land you in prison. However I have a feeling you will not do that. I guess somebody hacked into PfT's webiste and inserted it into their page as well. See that little TR next to the first sentence in 23-19-00 on PfT's website? Care to explain to me what that means? Not that I'm expecting you to give an honest answer.

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As for my personal inforamtion that has nothing to do with the air phone issue. You or your source does not need it to find out whether or not the info I provided is legit or not.

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Debt is nothing. They simply turn it into another loan. That is the name of the game.

What ever school taught you that I would ask for my money back. If this were the actual case then no business would ever go under. I'm preety sure the folks at Pan Am, Braniff, Eastern, TWA, National, Midway, Vangaurd and many others wish this were true. Here's is a simple fact about debt and BK within the airline industry since deregualtion. Of all the major airlines that have gone through BK only two were around as going concerns ten years latter. All the others went away. Ask Rob what happened to Indy Air. If what you say is true about debt and loans they should still be around.

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No you don't. You would have produced it already.

The article and information stands. You and your document are not valid right now. You especially. There are contradictions related to your "page".

I guess you don't know enough to realize when someone is throwing a piece of bait to you. Quite predictably you bit on it.

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What contradictions are you refering to? Since you have no idea how any airline runs its maintenance operation I would say you are totally unqualified to give your opinion on whether or not there are contradictions.

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< http://img512.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2319updatecs2.jpg >

This is the latest update to 23-19-00. Notice the date at the bottom. Using Rob logic it must mean that the air phones were not deactivated until 9/2007.