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Tony Soprano Wacks Jref Users; Flight 77 FDR? Fuggetaboutit
Topic Started: Feb 18 2008, 01:02 PM (1,159 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 18 2008, 01:02 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=102924&page=2 Starts at Post 64. Jref poster, Tony Soprano (now banned), delivers a ruthless correction of information on the FDR over at the Jref Cult forums. It's absolute poetry and exposes several members. Have a look, but it ain't pretty. Capiche?
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NoConspiracy	Feb 19 2008, 08:34 PM Post #2
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	Post by "Anti-Sophist" "So bizarre. Rob (presumably) made a post repeating things that have been debunked for months. Aldo posts a victory thread. We've debunked these lies dozens of times. Dozens. Every single one of them. They don't have a single unanswered claim. They haven't for months." "And they wonder why we are bored." I didnt really have a clue what they were talking about sometimes( Rob? and beachnut), so i have no idea who is actually right. It'd be nice to have this sorted out once and for all. Edited by NoConspiracy, Feb 19 2008, 08:34 PM.
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blarney fife	Feb 19 2008, 09:18 PM Post #3
Posts: 198 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: 01/14/08	They have to ban the guy because he's a "sock-puppet" of Rob Balsamo? Lamb Chop must put the fear of god in 'em. Run away!
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behind	Feb 20 2008, 08:53 AM Post #4
Posts: 23 Group: Members Member #261 Joined: 02/02/08	NoConspiracy Feb 19 2008, 08:34 PM I didnt really have a clue what they were talking about sometimes( Rob? and beachnut), so i have no idea who is actually right. It'd be nice to have this sorted out once and for all. The data from the FDR does not support the official story. It has been known since day one when the FDR came out. Now, if the official story was true, then the data from FDR would support the story... but it does not. Not at all. Strange ? There is only one answer: The official story is not true.
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NoConspiracy	Feb 20 2008, 09:33 AM Post #5
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	Yes, but they seem to think they are correct. Why? If it's so obvious why dont they get it? Mentally challenged? In denial? It'd be nice to hear them say " Hmmm looks like the "twoofers" were right, we got a problem, lets see if we can get some answers" Edited by NoConspiracy, Feb 20 2008, 09:37 AM.
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SPreston	Feb 20 2008, 10:01 AM Post #6
Patriotic American Posts: 1,077 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	NoConspiracy Feb 20 2008, 09:33 AM Yes, but they seem to think they are correct. Why? If it's so obvious why dont they get it? Mentally challenged? In denial? It'd be nice to hear them say " Hmmm looks like the "twoofers" were right, we got a problem, lets see if we can get some answers" A little bit of both. They live in a fragile world based on their 'belief' system that their Big Momma government would never do anything to hurt them or against them. They cannot possibly face the fact that the Flight 77 FDR did not support the official story nor can they face the fact that many other portions of the 9-11 OCT have been proven lies, so they have to PRETEND that these facts do not exist, or their little world will fall apart.



Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 10:30 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	No not only that guys, but there are more than likely infiltrators on that forum. Me saying this can be used for fodder over there, but I don't care. The fact is Rob is a real person with a real name with real pilots and aviation professionals backing him. The NTSB releases an animation with a plane on the north side of the sheraton, annex, and citgo way too high to hit the poles, while the data reflects the south side flight path, but stops near the navy annex leaving the plane still too high to hit the light poles, the generator trailer, and leaving it in a descent angle that have had to have shown up on the video that shows an object low and level across the lawn. Not to mention all the other problematic anomalies in the data. Meanwhile, he has called the NTSB and recorded them. He has sought out answers from them and they give no comment and refuse to give reasons why the data shows all these anomalies. Do you truly believe you should accept answers from an anonymous user on Jref with NO proven credentials, face, or name. Anonymous Jrefers who HAVE BEEN corrected and refuse to be publically recorded on the matter with their names attached. What does that tell you? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 20 2008, 10:34 AM.
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NoConspiracy	Feb 20 2008, 10:42 AM Post #8
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 20 2008, 10:30 AM Do you truly believe you should accept answers from an anonymous user on Jref with NO proven credentials, face, or name. Anonymous Jrefers who HAVE BEEN corrected and refuse to be publically recorded on the matter with their names attached. What does that tell you? It tells me they are probably wrong, they dont seem to confident I guess..... Ill stick with Rob for now I just hate their cocky attitude. Edited by NoConspiracy, Feb 20 2008, 10:54 AM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 10:53 AM Post #9
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Cool NoConspiracy. I am trying to get Rob over here to explain it for you guys, but he is a busy person. You can also go to his forum or ours if you'd like. He'd be more than happy to explain it for you. I read where you said that you lost respect for Mark Roberts because he refused to debate CIT. Are you a former "jref/skeptic" type or a fence-sitter? Just curious.
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NoConspiracy	Feb 20 2008, 11:00 AM Post #10
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	I was skeptical at first but after watching all of CIT's/Pilots documentaries/shorts I think you guys got something. Edited by NoConspiracy, Feb 20 2008, 11:03 AM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 11:25 AM Post #11
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	NoConspiracy Feb 20 2008, 11:00 AM I was skeptical at first but after watching all of CIT's/Pilots documentaries/shorts I think you guys got something. Good stuff, NoConspiracy. That is really good to hear. An even sweeter victory is if you were a poster on Jref. lol Good to have you aboard, brother.
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NoConspiracy	Feb 20 2008, 11:35 AM Post #12
Posts: 9 Group: Members Member #292 Joined: 02/08/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 20 2008, 11:25 AM An even sweeter victory is if you were a poster on Jref. lol Good to have you aboard, brother. Lmao.. Thanks man
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 12:06 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Rob cordially invites you over to his new forum, NC. He'd be glad to help you out with your questions. http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?s=214fc41e2711570a8243b5513dea80d0&act=idx
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AMTMAN	Feb 20 2008, 03:19 PM Post #14
Posts: 17 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: 02/20/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 20 2008, 10:30 AM No not only that guys, but there are more than likely infiltrators on that forum. Me saying this can be used for fodder over there, but I don't care. The fact is Rob is a real person with a real name with real pilots and aviation professionals backing him. The NTSB releases an animation with a plane on the north side of the sheraton, annex, and citgo way too high to hit the poles, while the data reflects the south side flight path, but stops near the navy annex leaving the plane still too high to hit the light poles, the generator trailer, and leaving it in a descent angle that have had to have shown up on the video that shows an object low and level across the lawn. Not to mention all the other problematic anomalies in the data. Meanwhile, he has called the NTSB and recorded them. He has sought out answers from them and they give no comment and refuse to give reasons why the data shows all these anomalies. Do you truly believe you should accept answers from an anonymous user on Jref with NO proven credentials, face, or name. Anonymous Jrefers who HAVE BEEN corrected and refuse to be publically recorded on the matter with their names attached. What does that tell you? Well Aldo this is one aviation professional who does not buy into the garbage PfT, or you, puts out. It's funny that you talk about anonymous JREF members with no proven credentials, face or name. Isn’t that what the source for this bogus story is? An anonymous, faceless, non-credentialed person who we have to take at someone’s word even exists? < http://pilotsfor911truth.org/amrarticle.html > < http://pilotsfor911truth.org/AA757AMM.html > < http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=85833 > Sounds like a good story, unfortunately whoever the source was left out some very important details. Like the fact the air phones on AA's 757 fleet was not deactivated until March 31 2002. Or that the first sentence pertaining to the deactivation did not appear until April 2007. That's what the letters TR, Temporary Revision, are for. < http://img131.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tr2001ri0.jpg > Another thing Rob, Craig and you failed to mention was ECO F0871 which was the actual deactivation. Now you were either unaware or you purposely ignored it. Not that it matters since ECO F0878 which is on that maintenance manual page was not carried out until 2002. Your source could have told you this very easily. He was either playing you guys for fools or he's a complete idiot. < http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search?q=airfones > Then there's cabin views of AA 757's. At one point people were saying that AA 757's did not even have air phones on board. Of course this was not true. A simple search on airliners.net or jetphotos could have proved that. < http://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/American-Airlines/0020665 > < http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=55280&nseq=10 > The airliners.net photo was taken prior to 9-11. You can kind of make out the blue AT&T logo in the center of the phone. The jetphotos picture was taken after 9-11. Notice on several of the phones the blue AT&T logo is covered up. It's covered up with this. < http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airphonedeactivationplatg1.jpg > Now do I expect Rob, Craig or you to admit you were wrong? Of course I don't. That's because all three of you believe that they are incapable of being wrong. Here's what I expect, a full frontal attack on me. No documentation to support your position. Just attacks and rambling on about everything but the issue at hand. SOP for you guys. It’s been five months since Rob said this… We are currently in the process of analyzing the conflicts and will update this article as more information becomes available. Don’t you think he could have found this information by now? Especially since there are two AA AMT’s who are PfT members. Maybe someone here could ask honway over at the PfT forums, he works for AA. One would think they could have provided some sort of information to prove me wrong. The very fact that Rob has been silent on this subject says they could not. Edited by AMTMAN, Feb 20 2008, 03:20 PM.
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behind	Feb 20 2008, 03:46 PM Post #15
Posts: 23 Group: Members Member #261 Joined: 02/02/08	It is interesting to me, that always when the fact that the data from FDR does not support the official story is brought up... then immediatly one or two persons will popp up very upset. The fact is, that there it is nothing to debat anymore about the FDR. FDR does not support the official fairytail. End of story.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 03:51 PM Post #16
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Aww, wooky wooky. It's the anonymous airplane mechanic from American Airlines......or at least that's what he said. We knew you'd be working real hard at coming up with a post on this. What does this have to do with the OP. Make a new thread about it. The fact is EVERYONE, this all rests on the validity of AMTMAN's, silly little printout that HE CLAIMS came from AA. Here's the thing, he doesn't want to divulge his identity and prove he really works for AA. Tell everyone why you won't sign up for Pft and keep the pressure on over there. hmmm? And you aren't an aviation professional, you are an anonymous user on Jref. Let's just get that straight. We offered you an opportunity to sign an agreement preventing you from divulging or disclosing our contact's name, as we would do the same for you in order that we are able to sort this out. We were the ONLY PARTY concerned with getting to the bottom of this. But low and behold, the anonymous AMTMAN never took us up on that offer. Instead he ignored it and tries to bring this out to use over and over, because he knows CIT doesn't care, Rob has provided the evidence and moved on waiting for him to prove the validity of his ID and his printout, and because he knows we won't divulge our contact's name. I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional. He is part of the mysterious, ANONYMOUS, alleged aviation "professionals" at Jref who concidentally surfaced after the work of CIT and PFT began to rise to prominence. He posts exactly like them. Has the same type venom that interestingly started a little soon for being new to the whole issue. He simply seems like apathoid or Anti-Sophist with a different name. He actually surfaced after the airphone issue through another anonymous user and alleged aviation mechanic/tech, named Apathoid. He only brings this up because he knows we won't divulge the name of our contact so he uses that against us to cast doubt. But he won't dilvulge his. So there you have it. lol. It leaves them nowhere. He thinks we really care about airphones when we have already proven the Pentagon attack a lie. And like I said, we were willing to hash this out and provide the ID of our contact's name so long as he was protected. He chose to continue on with his campaign. He wants us to divulge his ID so he can drop a dime and get him fired. Isn't that right? Let us know when you are ready to tackle the north side witnesses who still stand by their placement of the plane and are willing to testify in a court of law, the fraudelant FDR and lack descent angle seen in the surveillance video, the FDR being irreconcilable with the physical damage, the plane being approaching east of the Potomac, Mineta/Belger placing it DRA near Great Falls/Rosslyn, and the plane being 6 mi SE of the WH. Until then why don't surry back under a rock with the rest of the roaches at Jref. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Feb 20 2008, 04:05 PM.
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AMTMAN	Feb 20 2008, 05:38 PM Post #17
Posts: 17 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: 02/20/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 20 2008, 03:51 PM Aww, wooky wooky. It's the anonymous airplane mechanic from American Airlines......or at least that's what he said. We knew you'd be working real hard at coming up with a post on this. What does this have to do with the OP. Make a new thread about it. The fact is EVERYONE, this all rests on the validity of AMTMAN's, silly little printout that HE CLAIMS came from AA. Here's the thing, he doesn't want to divulge his identity and prove he really works for AA. Tell everyone why you won't sign up for Pft and keep the pressure on over there. hmmm? And you aren't an aviation professional, you are an anonymous user on Jref. Let's just get that straight. We offered you an opportunity to sign an agreement preventing you from divulging or disclosing our contact's name, as we would do the same for you in order that we are able to sort this out. We were the ONLY PARTY concerned with getting to the bottom of this. But low and behold, the anonymous AMTMAN never took us up on that offer. Instead he ignored it and tries to bring this out to use over and over, because he knows CIT doesn't care, Rob has provided the evidence and moved on waiting for him to prove the validity of his ID and his printout, and because he knows we won't divulge our contact's name. I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional. He is part of the mysterious, ANONYMOUS, alleged aviation "professionals" at Jref who concidentally surfaced after the work of CIT and PFT began to rise to prominence. He posts exactly like them. Has the same type venom that interestingly started a little soon for being new to the whole issue. He simply seems like apathoid or Anti-Sophist with a different name. He actually surfaced after the airphone issue through another anonymous user and alleged aviation mechanic/tech, named Apathoid. He only brings this up because he knows we won't divulge the name of our contact so he uses that against us to cast doubt. But he won't dilvulge his. So there you have it. lol. It leaves them nowhere. He thinks we really care about airphones when we have already proven the Pentagon attack a lie. And like I said, we were willing to hash this out and provide the ID of our contact's name so long as he was protected. He chose to continue on with his campaign. He wants us to divulge his ID so he can drop a dime and get him fired. Isn't that right? Let us know when you are ready to tackle the north side witnesses who still stand by their placement of the plane and are willing to testify in a court of law, the fraudelant FDR and lack descent angle seen in the surveillance video, the FDR being irreconcilable with the physical damage, the plane being approaching east of the Potomac, Mineta/Belger placing it DRA near Great Falls/Rosslyn, and the plane being 6 mi SE of the WH. Until then why don't surry back under a rock with the rest of the roaches at Jref. Thank you for proving me right Aldo. You are so predictable. And you aren't an aviation professional, you are an anonymous user on Jref. That's exactly what your source is by definition. We offered you an opportunity to sign an agreement preventing you from divulging or disclosing our contact's name, as we would do the same for you in order that we are able to sort this out. We were the ONLY PARTY concerned with getting to the bottom of this. Any contract written up by you is not worth the paper it's printed on. I know the second I gave you my name I would be getting threatening phone calls. Quite frankly you don't care about getting to the bottom of anything. All you care about is your little pet theory. It was quite easy for you to sort this out. Have your "source" look up the information I provided. Also if I remember correctly either you or Craig asked me to "work with us and not against us". Another SOP for you two. < http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search?q=cit > Instead he ignored it and tries to bring this out to use over and over, because he knows CIT doesn't care That's odd, you seemed to care when you thought the evidence supported your side. As soon as it was shown to be otherwise both you and Rob attacked me then pulled a disappearing act. Rob has provided the evidence and moved on waiting for him to prove the validity of his ID and his printout, and because he knows we won't divulge our contact's name. Rob provided a bogus story pure and simple. Now in the beginning one could make the argument he made a mistake because his "source" did give him all the pertinent facts. However as soon as new evidence showed that his story was wrong and he continued to say it was true he crossed over into knowingly perpetrating a fraud. I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional. He is part of the mysterious, ANONYMOUS, alleged aviation "professionals" at Jref who coincidentally surfaced after the work of CIT and PFT began to rise to prominence. He posts exactly like them. Once again Aldo than you for proving me right. What's the matter, don't want to talk about the evidence I provided? I surfaced because I stumbled across that BS air phones story and thought it important to show the facts as they were. Has the same type venom that interestingly started a little soon for being new to the whole issue. So now anyone who posts anything that contradicts the great CIT or Rob is actually posting venom, nice. Maybe you can find some documentation to neutralize my "venom". Wait a minute, you don't have any. He actually surfaced after the airphone issue through another anonymous user and alleged aviation mechanic/tech, named Apathoid. What? He only brings this up because he knows we won't divulge the name of our contact so he uses that against us to cast doubt. I actually bought this up to prove a point. The point being that CIT and PfT will jump on any story without verifying if it's actually true if they think it supports their "cause". And when facts come out showing they are wrong do they admit as much? No they do not, they attack, attack and attack some more. So far Aldo is true to form. He thinks we really care about airphones when we have already proven the Pentagon attack a lie. Like I said before you seemed to care when you thought the facts were on your side. And no Aldo you have not proven the Pentagon attack was a lie. All you have proven is that two guys can waste their time and money flying from one coast to another. If you flew AA thanks for the business. And like I said, we were willing to hash this out and provide the ID of our contact's name so long as he was protected. He chose to continue on with his campaign. He wants us to divulge his ID so he can drop a dime and get him fired. Isn't that right? I really don't care what his name is. He could have easily set up an anonymous e-mail account and dropped me a line. For whatever reason he choose not to do so. And by the way I'm not a rat. While I may think your source is a moron I'm not in the business of being a stoolie. Besides, under what grounds could he be fired for? Giving a maintenance manual page to Rob? I've seen guys do a lot worse and still keep their jobs. Now he would look like a complete idiot to his manager and he might be told to do a little remedial training but that's as far as it would probably go. Let us know when you are ready to tackle the north side witnesses who still stand by their placement of the plane and are willing to testify in a court of law, the fraudulent FDR and lack descent angle seen in the surveillance video, the FDR being irreconcilable with the physical damage, the plane being approaching east of the Potomac, Mineta/Belger placing it DRA near Great Falls/Rosslyn, and the plane being 6 mi SE of the WH. Aldo in order for what you say to be true it would mean either AA is in on the conspiracy or they are completely clueless. Which is it? Until then why don't surry back under a rock with the rest of the roaches at Jref. Once again Aldo thank you oh so very much in proving me right.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 06:27 PM Post #18
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	AMTMAN Feb 20 2008, 05:38 PM Quote: Thank you for proving me right Aldo. You are so predictable. Aw, you're welcome. Is that supposed to prep the reader? Does that mean they must automatically trust you? Quote: And you aren't an aviation professional, you are an anonymous user on Jref. That's exactly what your source is by definition. No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref. Quote: We offered you an opportunity to sign an agreement preventing you from divulging or disclosing our contact's name, as we would do the same for you in order that we are able to sort this out. We were the ONLY PARTY concerned with getting to the bottom of this. Any contract written up by you is not worth the paper it's printed on. I know the second I gave you my name I would be getting threatening phone calls. Quite frankly you don't care about getting to the bottom of anything. All you care about is your little pet theory. It was quite easy for you to sort this out. Have your "source" look up the information I provided. Also if I remember correctly either you or Craig asked me to "work with us and not against us". Another SOP for you two. Oh please. You won't get any threatening phone calls you coward. But nice way to try and taint the reader's mind. Show me where I threatened someone by phone. We have already went through this with you. First things are first, prove who you are and prove the validity. of your paper. We will not have him look up the information as we do not want to compromise his identity. Quote: Rob Balsamo: Still working on it. AMTMAN is not going to like it when we're done. Im not surprised he wants to pry us for information as you must remember that he is the anonymous one who showed up a few days after the article was published with paperwork that AA Customer Relations, AA Legal Dept and our source could not produce in the months prior. His paperwork also contradicts the PR Rep of AA and Apathoid. Feel free to quote me. Quote: < http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/search?q=cit > ' What's this? More shit from an another anonymous operative? Good job. You guys are making it easier to connect and identify you and your associates. Isn't it interesting how a Jref Skeptic is using the site of a "9/11 truther" against other 9/11 truthers. Remember everyone, Arabesque and AMTMAN are anonymous!!!! Think about it!! None of that link means shit and all of it from an anonymous sabotuer who can't even list witnesses to the Pentagon properly. For crying out loud, he posts witnesses who weren't even there. Quote: Instead he ignored it and tries to bring this out to use over and over, because he knows CIT doesn't care That's odd, you seemed to care when you thought the evidence supported your side. As soon as it was shown to be otherwise both you and Rob attacked me then pulled a disappearing act. Oh no toots. You seem to forget, we were never involved in this research other than to provide Rob with the source and some support for his findings. No one disappeared, btch. We've been right here or on PFT's site. Why don't you take your anonymous ass to PFT's forum??? Hmmm????? Quote: Rob has provided the evidence and moved on waiting for him to prove the validity of his ID and his printout, and because he knows we won't divulge our contact's name.* Rob provided a bogus story pure and simple. Now in the beginning one could make the argument he made a mistake because his "source" did give him all the pertinent facts. However as soon as new evidence showed that his story was wrong and he continued to say it was true he crossed over into knowingly perpetrating a fraud. What new evidence? There is none. I saw a fishy printout from an anonymous user on Jref who claims to work for AA who just happened to surface after this article came out. Quote: I don't believe AMTMAN is a genuine aviation professional. He is part of the mysterious, ANONYMOUS, alleged aviation "professionals" at Jref who coincidentally surfaced after the work of CIT and PFT began to rise to prominence. He posts exactly like them. Once again Aldo than you for proving me right. What's the matter, don't want to talk about the evidence I provided? I surfaced because I stumbled across that BS air phones story and thought it important to show the facts as they were. There is no evidence, silly. You have not provided evidence. Don't you get it? We are the reporters, we are the investigators, we have the identified source, we were provided the document from this source. You are the ones contesting it, you are the ones who need to provide VERIFIED documentation from a VERIFIED source. You stink like an operative. You're just another Arabtown, Kill-esque anonymous sabotuer. You know we will not divulge his name and you know we won't send our source back in there digging for shit so he can be ID'd now that this has become a big stink and you know that. That's why you are playing this game with us. Oh you just stumbled onto this? Apathoid did not bring you to the mix???? Hmmmm. Quote: Has the same type venom that interestingly started a little soon for being new to the whole issue. So now anyone who posts anything that contradicts the great CIT or Rob is actually posting venom, nice. Maybe you can find some documentation to neutralize my "venom". Wait a minute, you don't have any. We already have lol. Ain't ya been paying attention. Quote: He actually surfaced after the airphone issue through another anonymous user and alleged aviation mechanic/tech, named Apathoid. What? That's what I remember. Quote: He only brings this up because he knows we won't divulge the name of our contact so he uses that against us to cast doubt. I actually bought this up to prove a point. The point being that CIT and PfT will jump on any story without verifying if it's actually true if they think it supports their "cause". No anony-MAN, we verify. That's what we do. Haven't ya seen our work yet? lol. Quote: And when facts come out showing they are wrong do they admit as much? No they do not, they attack, attack and attack some more. So far Aldo is true to form. Attack? It's all facts, sweety. You have no evidence. You don't even exist. lol. You're a name and a profile. lol. Quote: He thinks we really care about airphones when we have already proven the Pentagon attack a lie. Like I said before you seemed to care when you thought the facts were on your side. And no Aldo you have not proven the Pentagon attack was a lie. All you have proven is that two guys can waste their time and money flying from one coast to another. If you flew AA thanks for the business. No I didn't care. Craig maybe more than myself. But I didn't and it wasn't important in the grand scheme things. Oh no, baby-doll-sugar pop, we have proven the attack a lie. Didn't ya know, the witnesses all place the plane on the north side of the Citgo and will not recant it. We didn't fly AA, as we couldn't find the special edition remote guided all white, no markings model to fly on. lol. Speaking of business, would ya like a DVD, they are only $15 and go to a worthwhile cause. Quote: And like I said, we were willing to hash this out and provide the ID of our contact's name so long as he was protected. He chose to continue on with his campaign. He wants us to divulge his ID so he can drop a dime and get him fired. Isn't that right? I really don't care what his name is. He could have easily set up an anonymous e-mail account and dropped me a line. For whatever reason he choose not to do so. And by the way I'm not a rat. While I may think your source is a moron I'm not in the business of being a stoolie. Besides, under what grounds could he be fired for? Giving a maintenance manual page to Rob? I've seen guys do a lot worse and still keep their jobs. Now he would look like a complete idiot to his manager and he might be told to do a little remedial training but that's as far as it would probably go. Yawn, blah blah blah. reall confident aint' he? Especially when he gets to remain anonymous and our sources puts his job on the line. NEWS FLASH: You do not work for AA. You do not even exist. You are not a real person. You are just a name and a profile. Quote: Let us know when you are ready to tackle the north side witnesses who still stand by their placement of the plane and are willing to testify in a court of law, the fraudulent FDR and lack descent angle seen in the surveillance video, the FDR being irreconcilable with the physical damage, the plane being approaching east of the Potomac, Mineta/Belger placing it DRA near Great Falls/Rosslyn, and the plane being 6 mi SE of the WH. Aldo in order for what you say to be true it would mean either AA is in on the conspiracy or they are completely clueless. Which is it? Maybe it's both. What does that have to do with the plane being on the north side. Quote: Until then why don't surry back under a rock with the rest of the roaches at Jref. Once again Aldo thank you oh so very much in proving me right. You are so welcome, anony-MAN. Let me know when you are ready.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 06:30 PM Post #19
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	behind Feb 20 2008, 03:46 PM It is interesting to me, that always when the fact that the data from FDR does not support the official story is brought up... then immediatly one or two persons will popp up very upset. The fact is, that there it is nothing to debat anymore about the FDR. FDR does not support the official fairytail. End of story. Right, aint it obvious? This was the only thing left hanging open they felt they could use to cast doubt on Rob. Tony Soprano effectively used Rob's work and now they are here to shit on Rob a little to make sure the cast some doubt. This thread has nothing to do with airphones or that whole issue at all, but the anonymous AMTMAN needed to come in threadjack and post some irrelevant horseshit about the airphones, when at this point he has no evidence, identity or credentials.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 20 2008, 06:32 PM Post #20
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Rob Balsamo on AMTMAN....you must remember that he is the anonymous one who showed up a few days after the article was published with paperwork that AA Customer Relations, AA Legal Dept and our source could not produce in the months prior. His paperwork also contradicts the PR Rep of AA and Apathoid. NEXT!
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AMTMAN	Feb 20 2008, 08:42 PM Post #21
Posts: 17 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: 02/20/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Feb 20 2008, 06:32 PM Rob Balsamo on AMTMAN....you must remember that he is the anonymous one who showed up a few days after the article was published with paperwork that AA Customer Relations, AA Legal Dept and our source could not produce in the months prior. His paperwork also contradicts the PR Rep of AA and Apathoid. NEXT! Problem one with that statement. It was more like a couple weeks that I showed up, not a few days. Problem two, AA Customer Relations and AA Legal is not in the business of providing documentation to likes of Rob Balsamo. Another thing, your source could have provided all this info. And no my paperwork does not contradict AA CR. Not when John Hotard says "It is our contention that the seatback phones on Flight 77 were working because there is no entry in that aircraft’s records to indicate when the phones were disconnected. " Let me guess, that must mean AA is in on the conspiracy.
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AMTMAN	Feb 20 2008, 08:48 PM Post #22
Posts: 17 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: 02/20/08	No. I KNOW my source. I have spoke with him MANY times. I have seen is AA ID badge. You are an anymous user at Jref. We have to take you at your word on that. For all we know you received an "anonymous" e-mail. Although there might be another possibility. How do you know he really is who he says he is? Do you know what an AA ID looks like? As we all know it’s real easy to get fake id's in today’s world. Since you seem to think AA might be in on it he might be a plant to throw you off the trail. I do find it funny that you did not bother to look into his claims a little more deeply.
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AMTMAN	Feb 20 2008, 08:59 PM Post #23
Posts: 17 Group: Members Member #337 Joined: 02/20/08	Rob Balsamo: Still working on it. AMTMAN is not going to like it when we're done. Now that's funny! How long does it take Rob to work on it? It's been five months! He has two AA AMT's who are PfT members along with his anonymous source. One would think he could have come up with something by now.
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Avenger	Feb 20 2008, 09:29 PM Post #24
Posts: 478 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	beachnut There are 4 or more seconds not on the final storage chip! The plane is 2800 feet or so from the Pentagon when the survivable chip data stops. Ok??
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Feb 21 2008, 11:51 AM Post #25
Posts: 1,238 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	On a sidenote, Mr. anonymous poster from JREF, Why won't you acknowledge any of the other work PFT has done? Why do you focus on this when they have proven so much with the FDR? Why won't you tell us who you are? You know no one will do anything to you. We need you to prove that one, you work for AA. Two how long you've worked for AA. Why won't you tell us? We are technically investigative reporters now. We are public figures now, why in the world would we "threaten" or hurt you? I think everyone knows why you won't disclose your identity to us and allow us to verify your length of employment with AA. Because your document was created after the info was discovered and published and you don't really work for AA. We can sign an agreement and have it notarized. You would be completely safe. We need to verify your identity and employment with AA.
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