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| Topic Started: Dec 10 2008, 11:00 PM (644 Views) | |
| Domenick DiMaggio | Dec 10 2008, 11:00 PM Post #1 |
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my objective is to exposed a cover up in shanksville if such is actually taking place. i began this project on the 5th anniversary of the attacks when i made my first journey to shanksville. that was the first time i ever heard the story about the 'flickering lights'. it seems everyone experienced the same event prior to explosion in lambertsville, or shanksville as the government and media told the public. on route 30, bob blair and doug miller witnessed a commercial airliner flying with its wings vertical to the ground towards the direction the explosion would take place. bob would tell me in a phone conversation that he and doug 'were the 2nd & 3rd guy on the scene' and that they had extinguished what fires were there with the fire extinguishers they had in their truck. along the way to this location, viola saylor saw a silver commercial airliner flying upside down while standing in her back yard. she said the plane was so low that it would have had to pull up in order to crash in the field the way the plane is said to have because it was low enough to crash before that. she said the plane was at tree top level and the tops of the trees were affected from the roaring sound of the turbulance that she felt pass overhead. her house is less than 1 mile from the crash site. after the plane passes she describes there being absolute silence and a calmness. someone can be heard to scream 'oh my god' from somewhere and then there was the explosion. note this mention of an eerily silence and even hearing someone yelling out are heard first despite there being less than 1 mile between her property and the crater and a 757 is allegedly traveling towards it at 580MPH. doesn't sound possible does it? on the other side of the crash site susan mcelwain approaches an intersection at buckstown road. here she witnesses a small white plane flying just feet above her vehicle clear a section of trees across the street and then disappear behind them. a moment later there is an explosion. rick chaney working at the nearby saltmill also on buckstown road notices people running outside and stops working to see what is going on. when he goes outside he witnesses a small white plane which he described as 'like a scout' it made him think. he confirmed just like susan and viola did that this little white plane was not any corporate jet capable of carrying any passengers. and also just like susan and viola he had never before nor to this day seen another one like it. 2 unidentified witnesses i have communicated with were home when the event occurred. the 1st said they had heard a thud so they went outside to see what it was. they then stated they saw the 'strangest littlest plane you'd ever see' and that 'i saw the smoke start to rise from right under it. i didn't know what had happened.'. the other witness came outside from their residence and witnessed the little white plane flying directly above the smoke and described it in detail. corroborating susan mcelwains account of the plane in every detail. both of these witnesses also corroborated another claim : the plane made no sound. it was silent and it was flying around just above the trees like it was trying to find something.....or perhaps it was leaving something? bob blair and doug miller arrive at the scene and extinguish what are supposed to be jet fuel based fires with fire extinguishers that were in their work truck before the arrival of stoystown fire department. and that is yet another lie fed to the public. shanksville received all the glory and the brand new firetrucks and did little interviews like the one on youtube where one of shanksville firefighters brags about the shanksville truck being the first on the scene when in every single early photograph it is clearly the little red stoystown truck. bob told me there was a 'gear box' and a tire that was burning really bad that no matter how many times they extinguished would reignite. he said other than that there was nothing but unrecognizable scraps. thats when the large white plane arrived at tree top level directly above their heads 'scaring the hell out of us'. before confirmed to me that this plane was not any type of corporate jet. doug even went as far as to tell me he knew what it was after i asked him to draw a pic like i asked bob who said he didn't know what type of plane it was. doug said 'they said it was a cargo plane. one of those c130's.' i inquired further asking 'oh so it had propellors on both wings then' to which doug replied 'propellors?' and confirmed the plane did not have such. after i explained to doug what a c130 was he wasn't so eager to participate in any official interview any longer despite having agreed to previously. i contacted bob and asked if knew what a c130 was. he confirmed indeed he had. i told him how the fbi told doug they saw a c130 and bob flat out called it bullshit. me and bob had spent a year on the phone going over his account. he was very eager to tell it and share his story. i had sent him susan's interview in the mail before ever phoning him so he was well aware of my work. he knew , much like viola who i sent susans interview to, that i wasn't cutting up the stories into something else and was letting people tell their whole story exactly as i have promised every person i have ever interviewed. i spoke several times with his wife who was a tremendous woman who ultimately passed away way too soon. but for some reason after this phone call bob stopped calling and taking my calls. no one at the scene ever saw body parts. wally miller told me there was no recovery the day of the attack. he stated a small amount of human remains were recovered on the 12th. i have had access to these photos and studied them very closely for the short amount of time they were in my hands. the 3 photos i seen [well let me say 3 'sites' with multiple photos taken from different angles as should be done] should a small amount of human remains which could in fact all be attributed to the same person. what struck me more was that these remains were out in the wide open and not obstructed by anything. they were all laying in dirt. the only dirt is along the road which people were all over that day. one of the photos i saw was half of an arm including the entire hand. this way laying out in plain site not in the grass or under a bush but in the dirt out in the open. not noticed until the 12th apparently. that was all wally miller recovered from the site. the rest of remains wally miller seen were personally delivered by the fbi to his temporary lab. luckily for wally those same people, whom he noted did not want to grid off the scene 'because there wasn't enough manpower', also supplied him a flight manifest telling him exactly who he was going to find. then it seems the fbi went and collected dna from 'family members' and brought that in to wally too. none of these remains were documented where they were allegedly recovered from. instead some where photographed inside the lab and even then not in the type of detail one would expect. what i saw consisted totally of boney materials. wally at one point got angry when i inquired if one photo containing a human skull was a skull that was actually recovered from the site. he explained to me that i didn't understand how little remains there actually were and how none of them could be indentified as any sort of limb or head/skull. so wally matched the remains the fbi gave him to the dna the fbi gave him to corroborate the flight manifest the fbi gave him. i can't tell you what happened to flight 93 one way or the other. i can tell you todd beamers cell phone made phone calls to a new jersey location until 8:00pm on the 11th long after he was said to have died on flight 93. i can tell you the evidence presented in the moussaoui trial states todd's airphone call lasted until 10:49am on the 11th, again corroborating he did not die in a field in shanksville. and based on that corroboration i think it is safe to say that jeremy glick didn't die in a field in shanksville either since his airphone call lasted until 11:43am on the 11th. i don't believe i have to argue what my beliefs are with wally miller or anyone else who witnessed or was involved in this. that was never my objective. my only objective was to shine light onto that which is in the dark. not convince someone to change their beliefs. i believe i know what happened. but thats not whats important here. whats important here is that i know i have presented enough contradictory evidence to the official story to prove beyond all shadow of a doubt that a cover up is taking place. i don't have or need to do anything more. but i will continue to do what i do. until enough people see it for it is and we are finally able to have the real objective to all of this : a truly independent transparent investigation into the 9/11 accounts with full accountability for those who were so brutally murdered on that 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| Boonedoggled | Dec 12 2008, 07:51 PM Post #2 |
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Ask them if this is similar to what they witnessed: 
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Dec 13 2008, 01:59 AM Post #3 |
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are you trying to insult me? it wasn't james' plane. |
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| Boonedoggled | Dec 13 2008, 01:15 PM Post #4 |
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No. Who's James? |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Dec 13 2008, 10:39 PM Post #5 |
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you're right insinuating the eyewitnesses confused will's piper plane with the military plane they witnessed is an insult to them and not me. susan, rick, viola, bob, doug....these people didn't confuse a piper plane with the military plane they witnessed that morning. acting like you're posting a picture of a piper and having no idea who james will is an insult to me. |
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| Boonedoggled | Dec 14 2008, 01:24 PM Post #6 |
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James Will was flying a Cessna. I posted a picture of a Piper Arrow (PA-28R-200) because there was one in the area at the time of the crash. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/966339/detail.html |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Dec 14 2008, 11:58 PM Post #7 |
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and when was bill flying over the crash site as described by susan mcelwain, rick chaney, viola saylor, bob blair, doug miller, lee purbaugh and every other eyewitness? oh wait he was nowhere near it. |
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| Zaphod 36 | Dec 17 2008, 09:35 AM Post #8 |
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Yes, we can even identify the Stoystown Dodge Mini Pumper by photographs:   The second picture is from the Homepage of the Stoystown Fire Department: Link You can even read a part of "Stoystown Vol Fire Co." on the door in Stahls famous picture. Where was the Shanksville Fire Department at this time? Who has confirmed they were the first on the crater? If this story is true, they must have been there before Stoystown arrived at the scene. How long before Shanksville was there and why did they left the crater as early (as possible)?
Can we assume that this plane had the size of a C130 and two engines on top("look like eyeballs")? Susan Mcelwain mentioned in the interview 2 triangled-sized planes after the explosion. Is she the only person who was watching this 2 planes after the explosion? |
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| Zaphod 36 | Dec 17 2008, 09:54 AM Post #9 |
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The two pictures were not working. Here they are:   
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| Michal | Dec 17 2008, 01:03 PM Post #10 |
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if witnesses are telling us of the strange triangular shape plane with "eyes" I would not expect them to describe this aircraft. I am an aviation fan and I know almost every type of plane known to the public either officially or unofficially ... I am searching my memory for something-like, but nothing comes up ... a sketch would be helpful even a simple one ... anyway I do not think the plane over the Shanksville will take us forward on this. Phone calls and the debris topics are in my view more like to provide hard evidence against OCT. |
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| R1J1D-W1LL | May 6 2009, 11:00 AM Post #11 |
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from that article it says "Wright was flying a Piper Arrow when he spotted a jet crossing behind him -- about three miles away. It was close enough for him and his photographer to see the United Airlines colors." Wright was with a photographer-(unnamed) and witnessing a commercial airliner being high jacked this we know from his statement who is the photographer and why was he not taking Photographs of this event? it then says he spotted a jet crossing behind him. I am no pilot, does this plane have a rear view mirror? just before his statement the news story says this "Then, an air-traffic controller asked him and his passenger to look out the window." is there a window at the rear of the plane? This story is not credible... Edited by R1J1D-W1LL, May 6 2009, 11:04 AM.
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