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*If* Val's plume photo turns out to be a fake, is it evidence of a 9/11 cover-up?
1. Yes, because the FBI were involved with the forgery. 7 (87.5%)
1 (12.5%)
2. No, it was just a simple scam for money/fame. No govt involvement. 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 8
*If* Val's photo turns out to be a fake...
Topic Started: Dec 10 2008, 09:03 PM (378 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio

very good and valid poll from killtown deserving cross posting with my comments added afterwards :

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(Non-copyrighted photo from pittsburghlive.com.)


If Val's photo was legit, why would the FBI rush three of their agents over to her house to confiscate her equipment?


Most truthers seem to think Val McClatchey's End of Serenity photo is a fake according to the polls I started at Loose Change 1 and here at 911movement.org. We also have Shure's smoking gun phone call to Ms. Leverknight who seems to know it's fake:

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(March 27, 2007)

Jeff: Val McClatchey... she has a famous photo.

Ms. Leverknight: It was a fake photo, because it didn't have a mushroom cloud.

http://forum.911movement.org/index.php?showtopic=3675



So, if her photo is faked, what reason was it faked for?


Was it just a simple scam by Val & associates (i.e. family and/or friends) for money/fame, or was it faked by the FBI because they wanted to cover-up evidence at the Shanksville site that would prove 9/11 was an inside job?


Remember that Val had said that three FBI agents rushed over to her house after she reportedly took a copy of her photo to the police station and the FBI agents confiscated her camera's memory card and possibly her computer's hard drive* (which may have left Val with no copy of her alleged photo).

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Sunday, June 29, 2003

The photo is in the Smithsonian Institution and all over the Internet and has been used as a fund-raiser for the proposed memorial.

FBI agents inspecting the memory card from her digital camera wondered about the photo preceding it -- a shot of Val atop the Mars spaceship.
http://www.post-gazette.com/columnists/20030627ndaileyp1.asp


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Conspiracy theorists blog that Flight 93 photo is fake
Sunday, August 06, 2006

"I didn't even aim. I was just like, 'Oh, my God,' " she said. She dropped the camera, jolting the battery loose, then tried in vain to call her husband, son and daughter. She had no idea what she'd captured until the state police put a call out to people in the area, asking for photos, debris and other evidence. She took a printout of her photo to the police, she said, and, within an hour, FBI agents were at her house.

Special agent Jeff Killeen, of the FBI in Pittsburgh, confirmed that the photo of the barns and the smoke plume was "a very legitimate photograph."
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06218/711239-85.stm


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Windsor Park Stories - What is America?
The Shanksville Episodes: Val McClatchey "The Picture"



Val: Well the photo, as I said, it was -- that was just an accidental, it was nothing intended.

It sat in my camera for a few days. You know, to me it was just a photograph of something. The state police and the FBI were asking for any photos related to Flight 93.

...I downloaded, made a copy of the photo, took it to the state police and within an hour, three FBI agents were in my house.

...apparently the FBI thought it was worthwhile; they took the original memory card.

Well the FBI, when they came in, they looked at it on my computer which is a lot clearer. They could actually see, you know, what they appear to be debris flying out from that cloud of smoke which I’m sure with modern technology they could do a little more scientific evidence I believe.

(Archived: http://flight93photo.blogspot.com/2006/08/...ndsor-park.html

*Note that in this Windsor Park Stories interview, there is a reenactment of someone opening up a computer and taking out the hard drive. This seems to suggest that the FBI also confiscated Val's hard drive too.)
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Domenick DiMaggio

i didnt realize a space would put a blank in there and i cant get it out.

anyways my reply to this question is :

yes. it absolutely is.

and i know beyond all shadow of a doubt that it is a fabrication created by [most likely] the fbi.

i know this from talking to eyewitnesses who all describe a black smoke rising into the air and trailing off as one would expect from a violent explosion. none of them described a mushroom cloud and i have spoken with a witness [off the record] who agrees with kelly leverknights assessment that it is faked. furthermore this witness could not believe the whole i dropped my camera and couldn't load the batteries before it was gone because they said the smoke lasted for several minutes.

this is also confirmed in my discussions with bob blair and doug miller who were able to locate the crash site from stoystown auto wreckers on route 30 several minutes away. it took me nearly 5 minutes to get from stoystown auto wreckers to the crash site.

we also know from susan mcelwain, viola saylor, & rick chaney that a small white plane was witnessed at the crash site during this time frame starting immediately before the explosion and lasting til a few minutes afterwards. i have also corroborated these claims with 2 more undisclosed witnesses.

viola saylor, bob blair, & doug miller also confirmed the presence of a 2nd white plane, this one much larger than the 1st. it arrived after bob & doug arrived at the scene. viola saw it fly away from the crash site and thats when she noticed the small plane flying away but by this point it was very high and the large plane was at tree top level.

i have had the treetop level claim corroborated by bob and doug who said the plane scared the hell out of them because it came "out of nowhere and was right above our heads".
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Domenick DiMaggio

37 views and 1 vote?

you're shitting me......

like you clicked on the topic and you saw what it was and you don't have an opinion?
Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Dec 12 2008, 02:57 AM.
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Michal

Domenick DiMaggio
Dec 12 2008, 02:57 AM
37 views and 1 vote?

you're shitting me......

like you clicked on the topic and you saw what it was and you don't have an opinion?
very hard to judge (from a distance), yet very easy to check ... once you have got the original photo. If the photo is a fake, it will come up on the photo check ...

what we were doing in this kind of situations, we were taking the photo to our trusted professional photographer ... after a day or two he was ready to tell you if is a fake or real one ...

I know I am not hleping much here, sorry ... I think we should try to bite this storry from the other side ... not this particular photo ...
Edited by Michal, Dec 12 2008, 05:20 AM.
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