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Chemtrails; from my house
Topic Started: Dec 10 2008, 03:07 AM (496 Views)
bretwalda

Lin's post reminded me of these pics I took in June. From 7:06pm to 7:25pm. The pictures are sequential by the photonumber but not necessarily in order on Flickr (in fact they are ordered backwards on Flickr - start at the end - photo# "...251". I've uploaded them at original size for your displeasure. Note times for each pic taken under 'more properties'

Photo 251 - a mono lens can't accurately depict the tails here - but they were falling down.

Some of these can be pieced together panoramic if you are bored.

297, 285, and 263 were taken of the sky north and slightly west. The rest were taken of the west unless noted.

# ...269 - you can clearly see an aircraft flying through the chemtrails with a normal, minimal, dissipating contrail.

#...278, 279, 280, 285 - are of one other dissipating contrail - from an aircraft flying through a chemtrail.

286 and 296 was some wierd azz cloud forming directly above - unlike any of the others around - the pic doesn't do it justice - the pock holes in the cloud were concave - like a golf ball. Photo 295 is a wide angle shot with that cloud in it - to the upper left.

294 was normal blue sky directly above and to the south of me. Basically my field of view facing west was chemtrailed. Everything behind (east) was clear.

I live about 2000 yards from an international airport. I used to fly in school - 40 hrs solo. I know what a contrail is and how it is made. I have looked at the sky every day of my life. I have never seen anything like these contrails basically turning a clear west horizon to overcast - in a period of an hour or so. Everything you see in #...252 (one of the first I took) was from aircraft.

Link to photos. Full size images are around 3.5MB







Edited by bretwalda, Dec 10 2008, 03:21 AM.
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Lin Kuei
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Nice pics bretwalda. As well as the persistent trails themselves, the anomalous surrounding 'clouds' and striations are also interesting. These weird clouds seem to accompany chemtrail activity across the globe...
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alex25smash
Cirrus and vapour trails.
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Lin Kuei
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alexvegas
 
cirrus

yes it is cirrus. But in my opinion this cirrus is somehow interfered with.
alexvegas
 
vapour trails

It's funny when you see regular dissipating condensation trails from high flying aircraft contrasting simultaneously with the stranger persistent trails, which can persist for many hours sometimes - eventually spreading out and turning the sky into what i can only describe as 'shitty haze'.

In my city of Perth, Western Australia, we have no high flying air traffic at all, just takeoff/landing, and so regular contrails have never been a feature of the skies here. Extremely occasionally a regular contrail may occur if US Naval aircraft are on maneuvers in the area (as seen HERE on this .gov observatory site - so rare in the city that people reported it as an unidentified flying object).
On December 4, 2007 there was a Chemtrail left over the metro area from the mountains, over the city and right out to sea. It lasted ages. I rang the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Radio to report it - and they said their switchboards were jam packed full with people reporting it - it caused huge public anxiety (thus it must be hard to 'get people used to it' - the next persistent trail occurred August 12, 2008).
Eventually local ABC Radio carried the story and quickly got in a meteorologist who could only explain it to the best of his knowledge as a freak "rare ice crystal condensation trail" - on a 35C degree (95F degree) day.
Unfortunately there were (are) no known flight paths going that way, and as such the aircraft and its origin were never identified.

The thing is, proposals for the aerial application of aerosolized compounds (in the context of weather/atmospheric manipulation) are all out there, both from talking heads and in patents. Unfortunately the usual (paranoid) conspiracy hype which accompanies seemingly strange incidences doesn't do the subjects any good, and as such people see persistent trails and scream "OMG they're trying to kill us with human pesticides!!!!!!" ^o)
Of course spraying things like Barium oxides high up in the air can't be doing living things any good - but it is not purposeful, deliberate poisoning - the kind of military minds which think it is ok to use this kind of thing are the same minds who think it is ok to use DU and agent orange. The pursuit of the objective is what is important to these people.

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alexvegas
Dec 11 2008, 09:16 AM
Cirrus and vapour trails.
Do vapor trails turn into clouds?
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They do disperse and spread out, yes. They're water vapour in the air, as are clouds, they're just clouds that get put there in a straight line.
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hiphopopotamus
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Contrails and how long they last are just a function of pressure and temperature. You can predict them using atmospheric soundings (http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/sounding.html) and an Appleman chart (Posted Image. Sometimes they persist, and if so its only natural for it to disperse over time.
Edited by hiphopopotamus, Dec 11 2008, 07:09 PM.
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JFK
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hiphopopotamus
Dec 11 2008, 05:38 PM
Contrails and how long they last are just a function of pressure and temperature. You can predict them using atmospheric soundings (http://weather.uwyo.edu/upperair/sounding.html) and an Appleman chart (http://s24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/achatius/?action=view&current=appleman.jpg). Sometimes they persist, and if so its only natural for it to disperse over time.
Your photobucket pic doesn't work unless you want to supply us with a password.

The other link doesn't explain the jets which "shift gears" in mid flight.
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Sorry, I decided to embed instead. I don't know what you mean about planes shifting gears, because as long as the plane is emitting an exhaust, there are aerosols that will be covered in water vapor and crystallize forming clouds. Turn the engines off and no contrail will appear. The plane might also crash.

The links, when combined, allow you to predict contrails in your area.
Edited by hiphopopotamus, Dec 11 2008, 07:18 PM.
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hiphopopotamus
Dec 11 2008, 07:17 PM
Sorry, I decided to embed instead. I don't know what you mean about planes shifting gears, because as long as the plane is emitting an exhaust, there are aerosols that will be covered in water vapor and crystallize forming clouds. Turn the engines off and no contrail will appear. The plane might also crash.

The links, when combined, allow you to predict contrails in your area.
I have a pic which I personally took of a jet over Portland Maine with a jet flying at high altitude and the trail vanishes and reappears a short while later.

It *looks* as if that jet was shifting gears. Which of course anyone with a half a brain knows does not happen.

I'll see if I can find it.

Edit to add - http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=116472&postcount=15
Edited by JFK, Dec 11 2008, 08:08 PM.
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bretwalda

So your telling me contrails will persist - for hours as these did, spread, and eventually create cloud cover?

Why did some of the contrails disappear from jets flying through 'contrails' that were dropping and spreading?
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The phenomenon defies logic. Something is going on. I live near a major airport, know the patterns pretty well after all these years. I also observe the phenomenon down the Jersey shore. These white planes. working usually in 2 pairs are not part of the normal traffic patterns, crap up perfectly sunny days into a shitty haze and are not normal. What are they doing? I don't know. But please don't tell me it's normal.
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alexvegas
Dec 11 2008, 04:58 PM
They do disperse and spread out, yes. They're water vapour in the air, as are clouds, they're just clouds that get put there in a straight line.
Actually both clouds and contrails are frozen water droplets. And yes, they either hang in there or disperse depending on high winds. There's really no conspiracy to this.
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