Another Look at the Doubletree Video

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Another Look at the Doubletree Video; Alteration by Primary Suspect or Not?
Topic Started: Nov 22 2008, 08:40 AM (852 Views)
SPreston	Nov 22 2008, 08:40 AM Post #1
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Edit: adding two videos for djeminy HistoryCommons video versions CNN video cogburn video Quote: This video is from the Double Tree across the highway from the Pentagon. I'm sure you've seen it. I don't see a plane fly into or out of that video in any way inconsistent with the 9/11 report and there is no evidence of alterations (missing, misplaced pixels, bad coloration, etc). Quote: posted by djeminy Just prior to the explosion, you see the 'white' plane heading toward the pentagon. Look carefully, and it becomes quite clear it IS the 'white' plane in question. The cars passing at that moment in the near vicinity, seems to be at the same level as the roof-line of the pentagon. The 'white' plane cannot possible be at this level a second prior to impact, and at the same time be flying one or two feet over the lawn! The video clearly shows the fly-over. Thanks cogburn. Good eye djeminy. I had really spent zero time looking at this video. If you look closely you can see what seems to be the aircraft moving past the explosion above the roof. I could not see it past the trees to the far right. It is easier to see on a larger 900 x 820 video size. Posted above are two different sized videos. Of course as Craig points out, this could be deliberate disinformation and altered video evidence from the primary suspect intended to deceive and confuse their adversaries. So we really cannot trust any evidence held for a long period of time by the primary suspect can we? Anyway, this is what the video appears to show. These screen captures from the Doubletree video are taken from set video sizes and not resized. Text only is added. A larger size image is available below each image. I provided a Google street view from the corner of Eads and Army Navy Dr. These screen captures speak for themselves along with djeminy's statement above. Watch the video again; in larger format if you can. Larger size for above image Larger size for above image Larger size for above image Larger size for above image Larger size for above image Edited by SPreston, Nov 24 2008, 04:19 PM.



SPreston	Nov 22 2008, 09:20 AM Post #2
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Quote: Yes Preston, good on you. You spotted it! Thanks a million! Craig, look again, carefully, closely. You see the light 'thing' just to the left of the explosion, just ahead of the oncoming car, but of course a second or so before the explosion takes place. I think they overlooked this, because you really have to take a good look to spot it! Now that it's in the public domain for all to see, they have to swallow the camel. This cannot be undone. It conclusively proves a fly-over, as far as I see it! Ps! Preston, for the sake of accuracy, I think the object you point to in the last (4th) still frame from the video as the 'plane', seem to me to be stationary, as I think this object is present before the explosion takes place! Is it possible you could double-check this for me, with your better skills? Thanks! No djeminy, whatever it is, it definitely travels across the roof past the explosion. At first I thought it was a vehicle, but it seems faster than the other vehicles. Maybe it is a vehicle; but at least the FBI apparently lied when they stated it did not show the explosion. That certainly does look like an explosion. I have posted this same Doubletree video from a different source in the two different video sizes at another forum so any interested parties can see for themselves. Quote: Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, announced today that it has received from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) a security camera recording taken from the Doubletree Hotel in Arlington, Virginia that shows the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon. This new video evidence, obtained in relation to a Judicial Watch lawsuit against the FBI, seemingly contradicts a sworn FBI affidavit in a related case claiming that the Doubletree security recordings “did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on September 11, 2001.” http://www.judicialwatch.org/6068.shtml Craig is just being very cautious because this video was in the hands of the primary suspect for so long (released in December 2006 by FOIA). I too am being cautious, but also think this should be discussed and looked at. Craig is entirely correct that we cannot automatically trust evidence which has been held in the control of a primary suspect with a long record of lying and withholding evidence and manufacturing evidence and altering evidence. There is a good chance they have altered this video in order to create confusion. Or perhaps it somehow escaped their careful censorship; although that seems unlikely. Here is a version with a CNN report.



BoneZ	Nov 22 2008, 03:04 PM Post #3
Posts: 736 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	I see traffic going down the street at the time of the explosion. I see no planes what-so-ever in this video. Mind you, I have a large 28" LCD computer monitor. That is all traffic driving along that street at the time of the explosion. If you keep paying attention, you can see the actual traffic go behind the trees and continue down the road. If there were a flyover in this video, you would see some object pulling up somewhere.
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Stundie	Nov 22 2008, 05:57 PM Post #4
Posts: 890 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Another point is the time...according to the official time, the pentagon was hit at 9:37am. On the video it's 9:34. Of course, there could be simple discrepancy on the time if the Doubletree Video cameras could be out by a few minutes. Another one in the Hmmm Factory to think about!
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SPreston	Nov 23 2008, 10:09 AM Post #5
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	BoneZ Nov 22 2008, 03:04 PM I see traffic going down the street at the time of the explosion. I see no planes what-so-ever in this video. Mind you, I have a large 28" LCD computer monitor. That is all traffic driving along that street at the time of the explosion. If you keep paying attention, you can see the actual traffic go behind the trees and continue down the road. If there were a flyover in this video, you would see some object pulling up somewhere. Yes I agree. After viewing the video again and again in small and large video sizes, and the input from other people, I have decided that bright object was a light colored car reflecting the sun, traveling faster than what appears to be a truck also reflecting the sun. Of course I could be quite mistaken, but an aircraft even at landing speeds coming at an angle to the camera from North of the Citgo should appear to travel across the screen much faster than that (at least 4 to 5 times faster than the truck). As Craig points out, the video is practically valueless because it was held by the primary suspect for so long before release. Even the apparent explosion could easily have been photoshopped. Many investigators over the past 7 years suspect that this is not the confiscated video which the hotel employees were watching over and over in amazement before the FBI grabbed and censored it. The hotel employees have been silenced and apparently never interviewed. Doesn't that seem strange from a government is innocent of treason viewpoint? We know for a fact now, that the decoy aircraft was flying Over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo, and the video COULD have shown the decoy aircraft flying above rooftop and past the explosion. Most likely the original video (and other confiscated and censored videos and photos) did show such a scene and this was released after years of careful alteration or manufacturing to coverup that fact. We know for a fact that the real aircraft could not possibly have taken down the 5 light poles and created the actual damage path through the Pentagon.



Bitterman	Nov 23 2008, 12:56 PM Post #6
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	Anyone else notice the GUY. He is walking around at the exact same time. THen in one of the last frames there, he looks up into the sky like he's watching something. He would have been in a perfect view for a flyover. We need that guy. I wonder if that guy though a plane flying over was strange?
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JFK	Nov 23 2008, 02:06 PM Post #7
Posts: 4,406 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Bitterman Nov 23 2008, 12:56 PM Anyone else notice the GUY. He is walking around at the exact same time. THen in one of the last frames there, he looks up into the sky like he's watching something. He would have been in a perfect view for a flyover. We need that guy. I wonder if that guy though a plane flying over was strange? Yes, I noticed him.... Just guessing, but from the angle he is looking it might be possible he is looking at the C-130.
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DoYouEverWonder	Nov 23 2008, 03:01 PM Post #8
Posts: 456 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	There's so many frames missing its hard to tell what anything is. All I see are some white pixels going across the screen, which could be anything. Without access to the original unaltered film, all we've got are pixels on a video file, which could have easily been added in after the fact.
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SPreston	Nov 24 2008, 09:34 PM Post #9
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Our wonderful government in action obeying in December 2006, a FOIA lawsuit, and handing over the Doubletree hotel video; unaltered of course. But what is this? An apparent explosion seen above the I-395 freeway? FBI Special Agent Maguire promised no video other than the much maligned parking lot videos, showed the impact of Flight 77. Did she lie? This is wierd. For some strange reason, the Doubletree video jumps the walking pedestrian about 40 feet from frame 9:34:39 over to frame 9:34:41. Obviously something is missing in between besides just one frame. Then after the next frame, the counter inexplicably jumps from frame 9:34:42 to 9:32:43 and then to 9:34:44. ????? What the heck? Is this an ordinary videocamera? These corrupt imbeciles censored this video from the people for over 5 years because????? ___________________________ Fill in the blank. What were they hiding? Were Larry, Moe, and Curly handling these videos for the FBI? Is the FBI really this inept or are they just faithfully reflecting the totally incompetent Bush Regime? FBI Special Agent Jacqueline Maguire swore that the Doubletree video did not show the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon. Of course it could not have in reality, since no aircraft did impact the Pentagon. So does it show the preplanted explosives going off? Did they alter the video to hide the decoy aircraft crossing above the Pentagon roof? Hmmmm. Does anybody doubt that this video was altered? And whose hands was it in for over 5 years? All together now. The F B I . . . . . . Anybody surprised? Quote: A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation. It may be the only video available of the attack. The Pentagon has told broadcast news reporters that its security cameras did not capture the crash. The attack occurred close to the Pentagon’s heliport, an area that normally would be under 24-hour security surveillance, including video monitoring. So was this video the hotel employees were watching in shock and horror really from the Sheraton Hotel instead? The FBI says no, but they usually lie don't they?



BoneZ	Nov 25 2008, 03:32 PM Post #10
Posts: 736 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	I agree SPreston, the video is clearly altered and cut/pasted horribly, i.e.: 9:34:42 to 9:32:43 and then to 9:34:44 The seconds are correct, but the minutes are not and that shows that this vid was probably cut and pasted back together without being checked. They say that criminals always make mistakes.
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SPreston	Nov 30 2008, 12:44 PM Post #11
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Where are all the defenders and supporters of the Bush Regime OFFICIAL STORY 9-11 official conspiracy theory on this thread? Do they all agree that the Doubletree video was intentionally altered and manipulated? Are they just pretending this thread and this Doubletree video evidence of deliberate fraud by our government does not exist? That is intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort. How do you people go home and look at yourselves in the mirror? How do you look your wives and children in the eye; knowing that you have deliberately betrayed them by believing and supporting a lie? What will your children think of you when they eventually find out? We know who had the Doubletree video in their custody for 5 years and 4 months. The F B I We know who has a history of evidence falsification from a steady stream of whistleblowers. The F B I We know who J Edgar Hoover turned into a political tool for corrupt politicians. The F B I We know who Hollywood needs to make propaganda flicks for to improve their sordid image. The F B I We know who falsified the Doubletree video. The F B I We know who did a lousy job falsifying the Doubletree video. The F B I Oh where oh where have our OFFICIAL STORY supporters gone?



JFK	Nov 30 2008, 01:00 PM Post #12
Posts: 4,406 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	SPreston Nov 30 2008, 12:44 PM Where are all the defenders and supporters of the Bush Regime OFFICIAL STORY 9-11 official conspiracy theory on this thread? Perhaps you should repost this in the skeptics section ? <shrugs >
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Bitterman	Nov 30 2008, 02:04 PM Post #13
Posts: 324 Group: Members Member #284 Joined: 02/07/08	JFK Nov 30 2008, 01:00 PM SPreston Nov 30 2008, 12:44 PM Where are all the defenders and supporters of the Bush Regime OFFICIAL STORY 9-11 official conspiracy theory on this thread? Perhaps you should repost this in the skeptics section ? <shrugs > Bah Dum Dum! Ksssssh!! Nice.
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SPreston	Dec 1 2008, 11:00 PM Post #14
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	JFK Nov 30 2008, 01:00 PM SPreston Nov 30 2008, 12:44 PM Where are all the defenders and supporters of the Bush Regime OFFICIAL STORY 9-11 official conspiracy theory on this thread? Perhaps you should repost this in the skeptics section ? <shrugs > Good idea JFK.



JackD	Dec 3 2008, 06:31 PM Post #15
Posts: 264 Group: Members Member #253 Joined: 01/31/08	I find the suppression of videotape by FBI troubling. With that 'chain of custody' it is hard to conclude anything about the tape. Video imagery manipulation -- the state of the art is so incredibly advanced that objects, even people, can be inserted into scenes. For example, if i captured enough of a person's image, on camera, that figure could be inserted into a bank surveilance video. Making a phoney bin laden moving-mouth video is nothing. I trust no surveillance or other video anymore as 'evidence' unless it's been in confirmed custody. Just my 2 cents.
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