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So now Al Qaeda's number 2 is making videos; from beyond the grave
Topic Started: Nov 19 2008, 01:41 PM (2,389 Views)
Mumin

icepick, I'm still waiting for you to post the link to the audio clip of the Zawahiri statement so that I can debate it. If it was as easy to find as you earlier stated, why haven't you posted it yet?
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French St

I questioned Neal Krawetz about the latest Ayman Al Zawahiri video (below):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW55f-my_Os

And he answered me.: "I haven't had a chance to analyze the latest Ayman Al Zawahiri video. Unfortunately, the FLV format from YouTube compresses the hell out of videos (very low quality for video and audio), so I cannot analyze the voice from that.

If you happen to find a higher quality version, then try the same techniques I used in this blog entry: extract the audio track and look at the waveforms. Do you see replication or very smooth waves? Those are signs of Mr. Roboto".

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/111-Domo-arigato-Mr.-Roboto.html
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Mumin

The fact that there is no accompanying video should be the first red flag. This is obviously an actor paid to recite the lines.

Compare this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW55f-my_Os

with this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXuwCFzMCBg&feature=related

There is absolutely no similarity in their speech patterns.

What do you guys think? In the second video, which is several years old, Zawahiri needs to catch his breath to speak. Yet in the first video, it sounds like a much younger person.
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icepick

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"The fact that there is no accompanying video should be the first red flag."


But even if there was accompanying video with the speech, you would simply call it a fake.
Edited by icepick, Nov 27 2008, 08:55 AM.
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bretwalda

...and if Dirk Diggler was making the speech, you would simply call it real.

There is no accompanying video. Capiche?
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Travis
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..and if Dirk Diggler was making the speech, you would simply call it real.


Ha, if Dirk Diggler was making the speech I would not want to see the video.

Furthermore Icepick you have still not answered my very simple question,

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with regards to the media how do you determine what information is credible and what information has been fabricated?
Edited by Travis, Nov 27 2008, 02:34 PM.
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icepick

I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.
If those sources are operating in the free world and are accountable, then I have no problem accepting them.
Journalists dont last very long in their jobs if they are found to be fabricating news stories.

On the other hand, I would find news reports from government controlled media, such as Iran, far more dubious.
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bretwalda
Nov 27 2008, 12:42 PM
...and if Dirk Diggler was making the speech, you would simply call it real.

There is no accompanying video. Capiche?
No, I would notice that it was Dirk Diggler and call it fake.
Since I have no reason to suspect that the Zawahiri tape is fake, I have no problem accepting it as genuine.
Why would I, its not as if there have been any complaints from Al Queada concerning its fakery.
Oh wait....
You dont think AQ even exists do you?
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Mumin

Icepick, I have one simple question for you:

Is the voice in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW55f-my_Os

the same as the voice in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXuwCFzMCBg

If you say they are different, you are agreeing that it's a fake. If you say that they sound identical, then I can suggest a good audiologist to diagnose your hearing loss.
Edited by Mumin, Nov 28 2008, 11:57 PM.
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JFK
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Mumin, can you please edit the second link as your copy/paste mangled the URL.
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Travis
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I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.


With regards to 'terrorist attacks' and security issues the government informs the media, thus the source of information is the government. Therefore how do you determine what information, that derives from the government, is credible and what information has been fabricated?

The crux of your argument rests on the above question, I am interested to see how you tackle it.
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Mumin

JFK
Nov 28 2008, 01:09 PM
Mumin, can you please edit the second link as your copy/paste mangled the URL.
Done
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Arlingtonian

I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.

-do you trust Pakistan's Intelligence services as "reliable"?

-how about the US's military (special forces) who had "actionable intelligence"?

-do you have any response/rebuttal or thoughts on the 2006 reports of Zawahiri's death (that i posted earlier in this thread)?


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French St

Some of al Qaeda videos seem very strange. I have already talked about the Movie 300 and al Qaeda. let's take another example about Waleed al-Shehri. See this link "wikipedia"which indicates : "In September 2007, a video recording of his last testament was released to mark the 6th anniversary of the attacks" :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ5fGBcF9ZM

http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/95-Al-Qaeda-Snorts-Flies.html

Waleed al-Shehri present his last testament with a background of explosion at the World Trade Center, an airplane and a fly on the nose!

According to Neal Krawetz: "the background is clearly a cartoon on a chromakey background. And yes, my image analysis tools definitely identified the chromakey background. (Mouseover the picture and look for the white outline around Waleed"

Who works for "Al-Qaeda Videos productions" ?






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Travis
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Who works for "Al-Qaeda Videos productions" ?


The same people who bought you movies like Independence day and Deep Impact.
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22205
Nov 29 2008, 12:23 AM
I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.

-do you trust Pakistan's Intelligence services as "reliable"?

-how about the US's military (special forces) who had "actionable intelligence"?

-do you have any response/rebuttal or thoughts on the 2006 reports of Zawahiri's death (that i posted earlier in this thread)?



my thoughts are of 2 possibilities, both of which discredit the current tape of "Zawahiri":

-they (ISI and US Special Forces) closed in on him in 2006 and killed him,
and then for obvious boogeyman purposes, hush hushed that news, so they
could continue to push the muslim alqueda terrorist meme

-they did NOT kill him, and were bullshitting in 2006, which in turn makes them:
ISI and US Special Forces plus the media which disseminates their message,
less credible overall, which in turn makes this current "Zawahiri" tape's authenticity suspect.
Edited by 22205, Nov 29 2008, 06:55 PM.
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icepick

"With regards to 'terrorist attacks' and security issues the government informs the media, thus the source of information is the government."

Except for the large numbers of independent witnesses to terrorist atrocities.
In a free country with a free media, there is nothing stopping those media outlets investigating further.
In a country like Iran, that opportunity is non existent.
Are you trying to say that journalists in the USA are being kept quiet in some way?
If so, explain how.
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icepick

Do you consider the recent events in Mumbai to be a false flag operation by the Indian government, Travis?
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icepick

22205
Nov 29 2008, 06:14 PM
22205
Nov 29 2008, 12:23 AM
I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.

-do you trust Pakistan's Intelligence services as "reliable"?

-how about the US's military (special forces) who had "actionable intelligence"?

-do you have any response/rebuttal or thoughts on the 2006 reports of Zawahiri's death (that i posted earlier in this thread)?



my thoughts are of 2 possibilities, both of which discredit the current tape of "Zawahiri":

-they (ISI and US Special Forces) closed in on him in 2006 and killed him,
and then for obvious boogeyman purposes, hush hushed that news, so they
could continue to push the muslim alqueda terrorist meme

-they did NOT kill him, and were bullshitting in 2006, which in turn makes them:
ISI and US Special Forces plus the media which disseminates their message,
less credible overall, which in turn makes this current "Zawahiri" tape's authenticity
suspect.
There is another possibility there that you somehow managed to overlook.
Edited by icepick, Nov 29 2008, 06:51 PM.
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22205
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icepick
Nov 29 2008, 06:50 PM
22205
Nov 29 2008, 06:14 PM
22205
Nov 29 2008, 12:23 AM
I have already explained to you that I base what trust I have concerning the reliability of news on the sources it comes from.

-do you trust Pakistan's Intelligence services as "reliable"?

-how about the US's military (special forces) who had "actionable intelligence"?

-do you have any response/rebuttal or thoughts on the 2006 reports of Zawahiri's death (that i posted earlier in this thread)?



my thoughts are of 2 possibilities, both of which discredit the current tape of "Zawahiri":

-they (ISI and US Special Forces) closed in on him in 2006 and killed him,
and then for obvious boogeyman purposes, hush hushed that news, so they
could continue to push the muslim alqueda terrorist meme

-they did NOT kill him, and were bullshitting in 2006, which in turn makes them:
ISI and US Special Forces plus the media which disseminates their message,
less credible overall, which in turn makes this current "Zawahiri" tape's authenticity
suspect.
There is another possibility there that you somehow managed to overlook.


yeah? well apparently its also a possibility that you didnt bother to mention (even though you were here in this thread less than 2 minutes ago). so please enlighten me, whats this other (overlooked by me) possibility?

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Travis
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Once again Icepick; with regards to 'terrorist attacks' and security issues the government informs the media, thus the source of information is the government. Therefore how do you determine what information, that derives from the government, is credible and what information has been fabricated?

The crux of your argument rests on the above question, I am interested to see how you tackle it, if you can.
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Mumin

icepick, you keep dodging my question.
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Travis
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يا مؤمن أنه لايجاب سؤالي أيضا
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JFK
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Travis
Nov 30 2008, 02:50 PM
يا مؤمن أنه لايجاب سؤالي أيضا
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Mumin

انا أعرف. لا يستطيع الإجابة ، لأن تظهر انه كذاب
Edited by Mumin, Nov 30 2008, 06:14 PM.
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