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| New Age Infiltration of the Truth Movement; new world order | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 31 2008, 08:54 PM (1,324 Views) | |
| KeithTruth | Oct 31 2008, 08:54 PM Post #1 |
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I made a new film exposing the new zeitgeist movement, Peter Joseph, Acharya S, Lucis Trust, the UN and the plan of the theosophists to brainwash the public into accepting the new world religion. Jordan Maxwell, another proponant is exposed as well. It is from a Christian perpective so if you aren't a Christian take what you want and leave the rest but I am sure that if you watch the whole thing you will indeed realize what I say to be true in regards to the occult operatives. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30LqRdDB-dQ&feature=PlayList&p=1C3553DC2972BA1C&index=0&playnext=1 Edited by KeithTruth, Nov 2 2008, 03:56 AM.
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| Miragememories | Nov 1 2008, 09:23 AM Post #2 |
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For those wishing a broader perspective, I recommend the Sam Harris book, THE END of FAITH, Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason. MM |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 1 2008, 04:23 PM Post #3 |
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Agreed. That is a fantastic book. Harris is taking some flak for his spiritualism and his advocacy of meditation, but IMO these are not concepts that should necessarily be excluded from Atheism and Humanism. Like Harris, I feel that there is nothing wrong with replacing religiosity with spirituality as it fills a need that many disillusioned with religion find beneficial, and has none of the baggage associated with religion. Also recommend Letter to a Christian Nation, which is a detailed response to critics of The End of Faith and an excellent read on it's own merits. EDIT: Not surprised that those who are religious have the biggest problem with Zeitgeist. Perhaps if you took your own advice, "take what you want and leave the rest," you would realize there is something of value there for you. Typically religious behavior to throw the baby and bathwater both out. Edited by Tim Riches, Nov 1 2008, 04:27 PM.
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| KeithTruth | Nov 2 2008, 03:53 AM Post #4 |
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"Miragememories" and "Tim Riches" It would help if you watched the film and then formed your opinion on it. Your last assertions are meaningless therefore. Your presuppositions have you so sheltered that you can't even bring yourself to watch the whole thing and weigh the evidence using your own mind I bet. Anyhow, Zeigeist was badly exposed in my other film but in this film I expose the similarities to early theosophical writings from Blavatsky and Bailey to Jordan Maxwells, Acharya S's and Peter Joseph's. Thus proving they are putting forth the new age philosophy that promotes the waging of war on conservative religious elements and at the same time externalizing the occult knowledge to the public, preparing them for what is to come. A good watch really. But don't take my world for it. Maybe Sam Harris settled the issue already (although he spoke of nothing in this film) Heres the link. The other one is dead. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30LqRdDB-dQ&feature=PlayList&p=1C3553DC2972BA1C&index=0&playnext=1 |
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| Miragememories | Nov 2 2008, 07:55 AM Post #5 |
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My response was in reaction to "it is from a Christian perspective". MM |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 2 2008, 02:11 PM Post #6 |
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As was mine. I also took offense to your claim that there is infiltration of New Age practitioners into the Truth Movement. All are welcome, including the New Agers, and you are responding solely from a religious perspective, one who is threatened by those with different beliefs than your own. The fact that someone is a New Ager does not mean they have nothing to offer here. Not a New Ager myself, but I would sooner have beers with one than with a fundamentalist Christian. The one thing that the New Agers probably won't do here, and the religious fundamentalists (of all types) ALWAYS seem to do, is inject their belief system into their arguments. This is not a Christian organization, all are welcome. |
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| KeithTruth | Nov 2 2008, 09:14 PM Post #7 |
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Tim Riches, I wouldn't make a film on some little new agers who are truth seekers. That is not what this is about. Again. For the life of me watch the film. This is about the complete infiltration of the truth movement, trying to DESTROY christianity and condition the public to accept the new world order, and new age religion that is coming. The film is heavily documented so I can't explain the whole film in this box but I assure it is not merely about people who are new agers giving their opinion or something. That I wouldn't care about. It is very deep. Also, go drink beer with new agers then I don't care. You are blind to what the film speaks of honestly. Edited by KeithTruth, Nov 2 2008, 09:14 PM.
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| Miragememories | Nov 3 2008, 10:33 AM Post #8 |
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Has it never occurred to you Keith Truth that maybe a challenge to religious dogma is long overdue? MM |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 3 2008, 08:07 PM Post #9 |
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I have watched the film. Every clip you show to elicit a shocked response only shocks other Christians. There is nothing threatening in what this film exposes. A little kooky, like "The Secret" kooky, but not threatening. I know you put a lot of work into this thing, but to me it just emphasizes that the religious are narrow minded and perceive threats to their belief system from all fronts. Anyone who believes that an actual entity called Lucifer or Satan exists and has a direct impact on the lives of human beings, and that certain humans can work with it to accomplish their goals is seriously deluded. Bill Maher in his film Religulous reasonably asks why God doesn't simply do away with the Devil once and for all if he is such a threat. The answer he got was "He will. Soon." Laughable. You recommend that the non-Christian take what they want and leave the rest, but there is simply nothing left. It's an unfortunate thing to say, but I think you're just wrapping up all this Illuminati stuff with a religious ribbon and calling it a common threat. It simply isn't so. Miragememories is right, a challenge to religious dogma is long overdue. Young people are rejecting religion in droves, more than ever before. It's a shame that some are embracing pseudoscience and mysticism as a replacement, but these are no less ridiculous than religion themselves and in the long run do far less harm. Sorry to seem like such a prick, but I have little patience for skygod worshippers these days. It used to be funny, but now it's just pathetic. Edited by Tim Riches, Nov 3 2008, 08:10 PM.
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| KeithTruth | Nov 4 2008, 02:31 AM Post #10 |
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Tim Riches, You claim you watched the whole film, I doubt that. Every clip I showed were words from the horses mouth. Premis one: Early theosophists and freemasons have a belief about this new age that they are expecting. One of them, Alice Bailey Published a book under Lucifer publishing that calls for the waging of war on Christianity using mental and emotional weapons and that the plan is to externalize the occult wisdom to the public. That is established. Premis two: The same people who are involved with theosophy and esoteric knowledge have connections to the UN, Powerful people in government, The Rockfellers, and big organizations. Those same people have openly called for world government. That is established. Premis three: Films like zeitgeist and supposed truth seekers like Jordan Maxwell are pushing the new age philosophy and even go as far as advocating this new age utopia that Manly P. Hall, Lucis Trust, and Randall Baer (who was murdered) spoke about. Conclusion: The truth movement has been infiltrated. In your last comment you said: "..to me it just emphasizes that the religious are narrow minded and perceive threats to their belief system from all fronts." Sir, I quoted directly from these people who openly call for the waging of war on Christianity. This makes me think you didn't watch the film. You said: "Miragememories is right, a challenge to religious dogma is long overdue. Young people are rejecting religion in droves, more than ever before. It's a shame that some are embracing pseudoscience and mysticism as a replacement, but these are no less ridiculous than religion themselves and in the long run do far less harm." It isn't a challenge to religious dogma it is a banishment of Christianity and a restoration of the mysteries that freemasnry teaches. "There is no question therefore that the work to be done in familiarising the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These Mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity, if those groups leave off being organisations with material purpose, and become organisms with living objectives. When the Great One comes with His disciples and initiates we shall have the restoration of the Mysteries and their exoteric presentation, as a consequence of the first initiation." "Externalisation of the Hierarchy" Alice Bailey p. 514 I think you are ignorant sir and you have not responded to anything that was actually said in the film. If you are familiar with bohemian grove it is not "some" who are practicing the theosophical satanic new age doctrine but it is the elite of the world. Maybe you are just too blind. Edited by KeithTruth, Nov 4 2008, 02:32 AM.
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| Tim Riches | Nov 4 2008, 08:37 PM Post #11 |
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If you want a detailed review of your work, get it from someone else. You seem to think that the information, presentation and obvious effort expended should result in mass praise and acceptance of your views. Sorry, it doesn't work that way in the real world. If you have won any points with your film, you pissed them away by crying that your faith was targeted. Cry me a river. If they had a chance of suceeding, actually destroying Christianity once and for all, even I would turn to the dark side. |
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| KeithTruth | Nov 5 2008, 01:25 AM Post #12 |
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Tim Riches, You can't refute anything in that film. Listen, you have scales over your eyes buddy. Cry you a river? They openly call for the destruction of Christianity. How do you do that when people won't stop being Christians idiot? You kill them. You will side with that? Very logical. Wow. These loose change forums are just militant atheists. |
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| noeffects | Nov 5 2008, 09:56 AM Post #13 |
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Yo Keith, good movie, and i wouldn't black label the whole forum as "militant atheists"..jeez have you seen..."The Arrivals"? I think its right up your alley. |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 5 2008, 06:46 PM Post #14 |
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I'm one of the few, I believe. If you want to generalize, go ahead, but you'd be wrong. I don't think the question has ever been asked or polled here, but it's a moot point where 9/11 Truth is concerned. The only way to kill Christianity, as I talked about above, is to give it time. It's literally killing itself as we speak, imploding like building 7. With scandal after scandal, pediphiles in places of trust, being generally out of synch with the flow of society, displaying a total disregard of scientific facts, it's becoming increasingly distrusted and completely irrelevant. Young people especially have no time for it, there are so many more fulfilling persuits available. You would think that religiosity would be on the rise in these troubled times, but it seems there are more rational ways to deal with the world. The cure for religion will come on it's own, hopefully before Samson pulls the roof down on us all. All it takes, to quote from Shawshank, is "pressure and time." The pressure is on, and time we got. |
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| Miragememories | Nov 5 2008, 07:44 PM Post #15 |
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Nice post Tim. MM |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 5 2008, 08:53 PM Post #16 |
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 Thanks!Here is Pat Condell's latest: Sums it up. |
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| KeithTruth | Nov 6 2008, 03:45 AM Post #17 |
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Tim Riches, This isn't about a Christian imposing his beliefs on the world. This is me showing you that for a long time elite factions have been planning to highjack and destroy Christianity, indoctrinate the public with the mystery school teachings, and make a one world government based on a perversion of scripture. That being esoteric teachings of Christ being one of many expected avatars, and a new one that is to come at the dawn of the new age "which is fast appoaching". Zeitgeist and zeitgeist addendum promote this philosphy along with supposed truth seekers like Jordan Maxwell and David Icke who speak of the "Great Plan". I made the film to show people that there is indeed an agenda to make a new world order with the mask of a spiritual utopia. "The light" they call it. It's all fine and dandy until you realize that the true purpose of the new world order is to literally enslave humanity with fascist world rule. The new world order. The new age is freemasonic illuminati proganda that is being accepted as truth in another box called "zeitgeist". So please, try to atleast understand what I am saying instead of attacking religion Christianity which is pointless in this conversation. |
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| Miragememories | Nov 6 2008, 10:34 AM Post #18 |
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Okay I watched the film. It failed to influence my opinions in the slightest. So much evil has been perpetuated in the name of dogma-based religion, Christianity being but one, that I find it difficult to see how the alternatives can be worse. Without serious changes in how we perceive the world we live in, we are all doomed. Dogma-based religions are doing absolutely nothing which might lend hope to humanity's future. MM |
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| KeithTruth | Nov 7 2008, 11:54 AM Post #19 |
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Miragememories So you embrace the tyranny to come. Good for you. You have been brainwashed. Your thought proccess was engineered. Check this out: "Years ago I said that the war which may follow this one, (ww2) would be waged in the field of the world religions...it will be fought largely with mental weapons and in the world of thought; it will involve also the emotional realm, from the standpoint of idealistic fanaticism. This inherent fanaticism will fight against the appearance of the coming world religion and the spread of esotericism." "The Externalisation of the Hierarchy" p. 453 Near the end of her book on p.291 Acharya advocates the same thing as Bailey in that Christianity must be destroyed and that it has no role in the new age, she states: "But the future is now and the manuevers are being unvieled. As far as Christainity's role in this new age Carpenter states: Christianity therefore as I say must either now come frankly forward and acknowledge it's parantage from the great order of the past, seek to rehabilitate that and carry mankind one step forward in the path of evolution - or else it must perish, there is no alternative." So you are willing to accept "whatever" they bring in as long as it isn't a belief in Jesus Christ. What a foolish generation. "This agenda is nothing less than the complete revolutionizing of the very foundations of not only America but the entire world. Such a plan calls for the total restructuring of planetary civilization into an enlightened One World Federation in which national boundaries and sovereignty are secondary, and 'planetary citizenship' in the 'global village' is the order of the day." Randall N Baer (former top NAM new age eader in the US who was murdered for speaking against the new age new world order after he left) William Jasper, author of "A New World Religion" describes the religion of the UN: "...a weird and diabolical convergence of New Age mysticism, pantheism, aboriginal animism atheism, communism, socialism, Luciferian occultism, apostate Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, and Hinduism". Sri Chinmoy, the New Age guru, meditation leader at the UN, wrote: "the United Nations is the chosen instrument of God; to be a chosen instrument means to be a divine messenger carrying the banner of God's inner vision and outer manifestation." Yes you will rather have this and you will get it 10 fold and you will see how nice it is compared to Christianity. I am very dissapointed with how stupid a lot of people are. |
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| hiphopopotamus | Nov 7 2008, 01:34 PM Post #20 |
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None of that post made any sense at all. All you're doing is citing a bunch of crazies and taking quotes out of context. Quoting something false doesn't make it true, no matter how much you believe in it. |
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| Tim Riches | Nov 7 2008, 02:10 PM Post #21 |
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You aren't the only person linking New Age thought with the New World Order. I imagine it is helpful to link what you fear with what others hate. It must be rough to see your faith embattled on all fronts, including from within. Believe me, I am not insensitive to the fact that I'm talking to a person with deeply held beliefs that sees their faith attacked repeatedly and with increasing strength. I can easily imagine the desparation with which those of faith fashion themselves into 'soldiers of the lord' to do battle with perceived evil. There is nothing new in this. I have often tried to see it from the other perspective, one in which it is my belief system which is targeted. But then again, it doesn't take that much effort - it has been under attack for centuries, and the most brutal and wantonly cruel of these has been from the religious institutions and their adherents. Flayed alive, burned to death, killed by hurled stones, torn apart by wild animals; these may be used by your faith to elicit pity when they refer to those killed as martyrs, like Stephen, Timothy and others who were destroyed for spreading their religion. However, these were also used, and still are with remarkable frequency, to destroy doubters, freethinkers and those with the temerity to describe themselves as nonbelievers all throughout history. Christianity, Islam and virtually all other religions have used the sword to convince those who would speak against them to be silent, to pretend to the faith in order to secure their very lives. It is only in recent history, and only in enlightened countries that one can freely express their true thoughts and beliefs without fear of destruction. The pogroms continue throughout the developing world, particularly in Africa, where witches are burned to this day, and in the Middle-East, where those who dare to leave Islam are butchered as example to the likeminded. "Christianity therefore as I say must either now come frankly forward and acknowledge it's parantage from the great order of the past, seek to rehabilitate that and carry mankind one step forward in the path of evolution - or else it must perish, there is no alternative." - Edward Carpenter, Ch. 16, PAGAN AND CHRISTIAN CREEDS - Their Origin and Meaning This is an excellent quote. As you may have guessed, I see it as wholly positive. You chose to focus on the word 'perish' and see an ominous device as the instrument. This is not what Carpenter intended, as a full reading of the chapter would point out. Here is the paragraph in question: He is plainly and clearly stating that Christianity, if it is to avoid it's eventual fate, must quit claiming that it is the only revealed word of God, infallible, and recognize that there are other paths to the same goal, other ways of proclaiming it's beliefs. It must acknowledge that it has received it's most fundamental doctrines, out of whole cloth, from other more ancient and benevolent beliefs. There is no greater attack, or at least none as potentially sucessful and to the mark against Christianity than the revelation that it has taken from 'pagan' sources it's most fundamental beliefs and rituals. This is the message I have taken from Zeitgeist, the one I have shared with family and friends: Everything you know about Christianity, to the very details of the life of it's central figure, was 'cut and pasted' from more ancient belief systems that we now recognize as myths. Christianity's attempt to claim ownership of these myths will end up as it's undoing, not through violence, but through outright dismissal. And as with all such devastating blows, it will be of it's own devising. Edited by Tim Riches, Nov 7 2008, 02:13 PM.
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| KeithTruth | Nov 7 2008, 09:05 PM Post #22 |
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hiphopopotamus Just because you are an ignorant zeitgeist follower and have no idea about the people I cited and who their connections are, that doesn't mean the post didn't make sense. Do some studying. Tim Riches You still don't seem to understand that a plan was crafted, set up in 1922 and published in Baileys literature from theosophical teachings of Blavatsky meshed with a one world plan. The United nations official religion is what was described in the film as they funded Bailey, Lucis Trust and many powerful people in government support them and are freemasons with the same ideals who have also been exposed. I would love to see you try to defend freemasonry, it would show everyone where your loyalty lies. I don't care about a mere verbal attack on my faith, it is what they have openly called for that frightens me. Something you won't address so you chose the one quote. As for the quote from Carpenter. The full quote wasn't cited by Ms. Murdock so it is irrelevant what the chapter says and I disagree with your interpretaion. She showed that she wants Christianity to perish. Ms. Murdock didn't bother to say anything like: "if it is to avoid it's eventual fate, must quit claiming that it is the only revealed word of God" Like you would have us believe. If Christianity doesn't go along with the new age of the UN who's proponents wave utopia in front of the idiot sheep but do satanic mock human sacrifice ritual at bohemian grove and in the lodges then it must perish just as she would have it. They are planning a one world fascist dictatorship. "Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government." -Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991 I don't really have patience for slow people right now and if you want to embrace this new age cult go ahead but the fact remains. There is a plan to destroy Christianity from the inside out and though freemasonry, media and eductaion. The war will be waged as Bailey stated. Zeitgeists contention about supposed pagan roots was badly refuted in my film "zeitgeist part one exposed: the film" which goes through all of their claims. You lost buddy. Maybe next time you can do better. So now everyone knows you support the UN religion and the new world order. Good job. Anyway, Edited by KeithTruth, Nov 7 2008, 09:22 PM.
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| JFK | Nov 7 2008, 09:21 PM Post #23 |
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Consider this a warning Keithtruth, one more ad homien and you will be suspended. |
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| KeithTruth | Nov 7 2008, 09:30 PM Post #24 |
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Oh really JFK? How about these? ".. would sooner have beers with one than with a fundamentalist Christian." "A little kooky, like "The Secret" kooky, but not threatening." "to me it just emphasizes that the religious are narrow minded and perceive threats to their belief system from all fronts." "Anyone who believes that an actual entity called Lucifer or Satan exists and has a direct impact on the lives of human beings, and that certain humans can work with it to accomplish their goals is seriously deluded" "I have little patience for skygod worshippers these days. It used to be funny, but now it's just pathetic." JFK, I see how this forum is. You don't have to worry about my horrible un prevoked behavior, I won't be coming back. |
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| JFK | Nov 7 2008, 09:32 PM Post #25 |
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Bye * waves *
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