Lloyde England and His Cab - The Eye of the Storm

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Lloyde England and His Cab - The Eye of the Storm; Now released!
Topic Started: Oct 29 2008, 03:54 PM (4,823 Views)
Marley	Nov 25 2008, 06:43 PM Post #276
Posts: 92 Group: BANNED! Member #946 Joined: 11/19/08	SPreston Nov 24 2008, 05:27 PM Sitting right out in front of the helipad and in front of this FBI agent is this infamous piece of never ever riveted unscorched apparent evidence, also without an evidence tag. Did this FBI agent already carry that piece out there and set it on the lawn? Where do you think he got these pieces of evidence; out of the van sitting there? Or did those very light flimsy aluminum pieces blow way over there against the wind from the alleged aircraft impacting the wall several hundred feet away? How did you determine that it was never riveted? You got a good look at it close up and personal right? How did you verify that it never had an evidence tag? What did the FBI agent say when you asked him if he carried the piece onto the lawn? How far should they blow away? You did remember that mere questions are not evidence right?
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Avenger	Nov 25 2008, 06:52 PM Post #277
Posts: 542 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Well, we know an airliner hit the Pentagon. American Airlines is missing one of their planes, people are missing family members, parts of the airliner that crashed were found at the Pentagon as well as body parts shown to be those on the flight. Shown to be those on the flight? Can you prove that? Quote: No one has shown us any body parts or debris from the crash that did not belong there. Except for the fuselage piece with rivet holes, but no rivets. Quote: Add this all up and there is no reason to doubt that Lloyde's cab was hit by a pole knocked down by flight 77. Wrong trajectory. There's no way that light pole could've traveled in that direction. Quote: The possible mistaken observations of a few people who thought the aircraft's route was slightly different than it actually was is no good reason to doubt that flight 77 crashed at the Pentagon. LOL! "Slightly different"! OMG! Quote: A curved metal pole hit his is windshield and damaged the interior of his cab. If you take a look at how it is shaped, it does not have to touch the hood. With one end in the car and one end on the ground, the curved portion might not have touched the hood, but the front quarter panels instead. Again with the JREF argument. Look, stop trying to change this guy's ridiculous story. That is NOT what he said. Quote: I feel that the sole reason the videos make out Lloyde to be a liar is that the producers started with a conclusion and picked the evidence to support their it. Dismissing all other evidence that supports any other conclusion is another tactic used. He looks like a liar because he insisted he was hundreds of feet north of his actual location, even after he was shown photographic evidence indicating otherwise.
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Marley	Nov 25 2008, 07:35 PM Post #278
Posts: 92 Group: BANNED! Member #946 Joined: 11/19/08	SPreston Nov 24 2008, 05:27 PM Media person Mike Walter changed his story again and again. So did media person Jamie Macintyre. Were they lying at first or later? I was not aware that the stories changed enough to constitute lying. Got any evidence to support your claim?
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Marley	Nov 25 2008, 07:44 PM Post #279
Posts: 92 Group: BANNED! Member #946 Joined: 11/19/08	Avenger Nov 25 2008, 06:52 PM Quote: Well, we know an airliner hit the Pentagon. American Airlines is missing one of their planes, people are missing family members, parts of the airliner that crashed were found at the Pentagon as well as body parts shown to be those on the flight. Shown to be those on the flight? Can you prove that? Quote: No one has shown us any body parts or debris from the crash that did not belong there. Except for the fuselage piece with rivet holes, but no rivets. Quote: Add this all up and there is no reason to doubt that Lloyde's cab was hit by a pole knocked down by flight 77. Wrong trajectory. There's no way that light pole could've traveled in that direction. Quote: The possible mistaken observations of a few people who thought the aircraft's route was slightly different than it actually was is no good reason to doubt that flight 77 crashed at the Pentagon. LOL! "Slightly different"! OMG! Quote: A curved metal pole hit his is windshield and damaged the interior of his cab. If you take a look at how it is shaped, it does not have to touch the hood. With one end in the car and one end on the ground, the curved portion might not have touched the hood, but the front quarter panels instead. Again with the JREF argument. Look, stop trying to change this guy's ridiculous story. That is NOT what he said. Quote: I feel that the sole reason the videos make out Lloyde to be a liar is that the producers started with a conclusion and picked the evidence to support their it. Dismissing all other evidence that supports any other conclusion is another tactic used. He looks like a liar because he insisted he was hundreds of feet north of his actual location, even after he was shown photographic evidence indicating otherwise. Yes. Body and plane parts were found and shown by experts to be those of the passengers and plane. I suppose I could dig up a something that says this, but I do not have direct access to the people who made these determinations or to the records that they made. If I was able to dig these up, would you dismiss them out of hand because they do not support your version of events or would you serioiusly consider them to be evidence of flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon? So you understand that just because there is a hole with no rivet in it, this does not mean there never was one? Do you think rivets can not pop out when under stress? If flight 77 hit the poles, you are saying they would not have fallen to the positions they are shown to have been in? Isn't it possible that they were moved prior to being photographed? Such as the one that hit Lloyde's cab? Laughing away anything is not actually a convincing arguement. What is a JREF argument? What did he say then? I thought he said a pole crashed through his windshild and damaged his cab? If you are calling him a lair, then why use anything he said as evidence?
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SPreston	Nov 25 2008, 09:10 PM Post #280
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	Marley Nov 25 2008, 06:31 PM Domenick DiMaggio has you or anyone else on this planet done the 'calculations' to prove lloydes story is not only possible but indeed accurate? actually i'm joking, of course you nor anyone else on this planet has made no such calculations. I feel that the sole reason the videos make out Lloyde to be a liar is that the producers started with a conclusion and picked the evidence to support their it. Dismissing all other evidence that supports any other conclusion is another tactic used. Why is this shill Marley not banned?



JFK	Nov 25 2008, 09:29 PM Post #281
Posts: 4,110 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	SPreston Nov 25 2008, 09:10 PM Marley Nov 25 2008, 06:31 PM Domenick DiMaggio has you or anyone else on this planet done the 'calculations' to prove lloydes story is not only possible but indeed accurate? actually i'm joking, of course you nor anyone else on this planet has made no such calculations. I feel that the sole reason the videos make out Lloyde to be a liar is that the producers started with a conclusion and picked the evidence to support their it. Dismissing all other evidence that supports any other conclusion is another tactic used. Why is this shill Marley not banned? Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again.
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Bud316	Nov 25 2008, 09:51 PM Post #282
Posts: 8 Group: Members Member #933 Joined: 11/12/08	Avenger Nov 25 2008, 06:15 PM How does the pole come straight over the hood if the pole is bent? Didn't they say the pole entered the windshield at the bend and sort off teetered right there? Quote: What would be so stunning and confusing about a picture of himself and his own cab? It's not as if he hadn't seen any pictures like that before. The part that made it confusing to him was the element of surprise. Craig didn't have the photos with him when he wanted to show Lloyde where he was, so at the end of the interview when the pics of the cab parked next to the bridge on the overpass were shown and Craig pointed to the actual location where the plane went over (NoC) is when Lloyde looked like a deer in the headlights. I believe Lloyde is confused where he was.. Bud316
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Craig Ranke CIT	Nov 26 2008, 12:33 AM Post #283
Posts: 1,425 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Bud please review the part I'm talking about in my latest thread and reply there about what you think. Lloyde would never have remembered the "up on the bridge" part if he was honestly confused. Realize that if he is lying he would naturally play the old confused man card to the fullest extent.
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bretwalda	Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Post #284
Posts: 202 Group: Members Member #173 Joined: 01/21/08	Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Nov 26 2008, 03:14 AM Post #285
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	your post is ignorant and an insult to every member and lurker at these forums. Quote: Well, we know an airliner hit the Pentagon. WRONG. Quote: American Airlines is missing one of their planes, people are missing family members, parts of the airliner that crashed were found at the Pentagon as well as body parts shown to be those on the flight. there were no pieces positively identified as ever being from the plane alleged to have impacted the pentagon. not one. you also have no proof that 'body parts shown to be those on the flight' were recovered at the pentagon. and if you're one of those disgusting human beings who uses the photo of the guy burned to death in his chair at his desk as evidence someone was strapped to a passenger airliner than i hope the administration bans you from this forum. there is no proof that is an alleged plane passenger. it is a pentagon victim. a pentagon employee and only the sickest conspiracy theorists use that image to push their propaganda. Quote: No one has shown us any body parts or debris from the crash that did not belong there. yes and we all know that the evidence is openly available for independent corroboration. you're a joke. you have no positive proof for plane debris or body parts and yet you expect average people who have no access to any of this evidence to provide evidence contradicting your bogus claim. Quote: Add this all up and there is no reason to doubt that Lloyde's cab was hit by a pole knocked down by flight 77. oh yeah? where at on the south of citgo flight path or the north of citgo flight path? and can you name 1 single person who can corroborate lloyd's claim of a lightpole impacting his vehicle? Quote: The possible mistaken observations of a few people who thought the aircraft's route was slightly different than it actually was is no good reason to doubt that flight 77 crashed at the Pentagon. people who do not have contact with each other and cannot concoct a theory together can not repeatedly independently confirm each other unless they are telling the truth. the arlington cemetary witnesses and employees would never have seen the low and level light pole crashing flight path from their location. i know you grasp what that is. the rest of your post is a bunch of incoherent babbling that i dont feel like wasting anymore of my time on......
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Domenick DiMaggio	Nov 26 2008, 03:15 AM Post #286
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Marley Nov 25 2008, 07:35 PM I was not aware that the stories changed enough to constitute lying.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Nov 26 2008, 03:17 AM Post #287
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Marley Nov 25 2008, 07:44 PM Body and plane parts were found and shown by experts to be those of the passengers and plane. prove it or confess you're a liar.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Nov 26 2008, 03:18 AM Post #288
Posts: 1,939 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	nevermind Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Nov 26 2008, 03:18 AM.
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JFK	Nov 26 2008, 09:19 AM Post #289
Posts: 4,110 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	bretwalda Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance. Well then, feel free to : Or aren't you intelligent enough.
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Lin Kuei	Nov 26 2008, 09:41 AM Post #290
Posts: 1,290 Group: Admins Member #5 Joined: 12/22/07	Marley Nov 25 2008, 07:44 PM Yes. Body and plane parts were found and shown by experts to be those of the passengers and plane. Enough. You are now confined to the skeptic's section.
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SPreston	Nov 26 2008, 10:13 AM Post #291
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	bretwalda Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance. JFK I believe this was directed towards Marley and not you. It was Marley who had the 41 posts.



JFK	Nov 26 2008, 10:26 AM Post #292
Posts: 4,110 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	SPreston Nov 26 2008, 10:13 AM bretwalda Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance. JFK I believe this was directed towards Marley and not you. It was Marley who had the 41 posts. Well I just went back and counted, as of last night I had 41 posts in the previous 6 days.
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SPreston	Nov 26 2008, 10:33 AM Post #293
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	JFK Nov 26 2008, 10:26 AM SPreston Nov 26 2008, 10:13 AM bretwalda Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance. JFK I believe this was directed towards Marley and not you. It was Marley who had the 41 posts. Well I just went back and counted, as of last night I had 41 posts in the previous 6 days. Well I would just say that the context focusing on the word ignorance would appy to Marley. You have 2,534 posts below your name and Marley has 41. Marley's first post was 6 days ago from yesterday. Edited by SPreston, Nov 26 2008, 10:37 AM.



JFK	Nov 26 2008, 10:40 AM Post #294
Posts: 4,110 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	SPreston Nov 26 2008, 10:33 AM JFK Nov 26 2008, 10:26 AM SPreston Nov 26 2008, 10:13 AM bretwalda Nov 26 2008, 01:32 AM Quote: Because it is not worth my effort in banning trolls when they go cry to the owner of the board to be reinstated. Seriously, I am done banning unless they start posting porn again. Well then I'll just say... Dam you're annoying. 41 posts in 6 days cackling out nonsense that just makes long threads longer (and less interesting). Read up on some of the research before expounding on your ignorance. JFK I believe this was directed towards Marley and not you. It was Marley who had the 41 posts. Well I just went back and counted, as of last night I had 41 posts in the previous 6 days. Well I would just say that the context focusing on the word ignorance would appy to Marley. You have 2,534 posts below your name and Marley has 41. Marley's first post was 6 days ago from yesterday. Then perhaps he should have quoted Marley and not me.
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Avenger	Nov 29 2008, 06:28 PM Post #295
Posts: 542 Group: Members Member #17 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: If flight 77 hit the poles, you are saying they would not have fallen to the positions they are shown to have been in? Isn't it possible that they were moved prior to being photographed? Such as the one that hit Lloyde's cab? Yes, The pole that you continue to claim hit Lloyd's cab definitely WAS moved proir to being photographed, but not from Lloyd's cab. Like I keep telling you, the pole could not have entered his windshied the way he described. Wrong trajectory. Obviously, you understand this or you would not have said that maybe the pole was moved. You can move the pole; you can move Lloyd. Official story still does not make sense.
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SPreston	Dec 9 2008, 10:50 PM Post #296
Patriotic American Posts: 1,229 Group: Members Member #122 Joined: 01/18/08	How staged light poles were finally removed from scene weeks after 9-11 As can be easily seen in this blowup of the #4 light pole base, the break-away base would never have broken off at the strengthened bottom end of the base. It is absolutely certain that it was cut off by a man with a saw or torch, and was not broken off by a 90 ton 535 mph aircraft. The straight cuts are easily discernable. Anybody disagree? The light poles were staged and no aircraft impacted the Pentagon. The actual aircraft flew over the Naval Annex and North of the Citgo, and was much too far away from these 5 light poles.



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