- RKOwens4
- Feb 12 2008, 06:47 PM
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An announcement from the FBI isn't suffice for me.
Then where's your evidence?
Where's my evidence?
Exhibit A :
ClickExhibit B (Corroborating Witnesses to Susan's UAV):
Lee Purbaugh
Dennis Decker
Rick Chaney
Viola Saylor
John Fleegle
Robin Duppstadt
Susan Custer
Jim Brandt
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Like I said in my original post, having an opinion or personal belief that someone is a liar without backing it up counts for nothing. If this were a court case and an eyewitness gives a testimony, and then the judge calls on you to give your response, and your only response to point your finger and say "I have a funny feeling about this person. You're a liar!" then you're just going to get laughed at and you're going to lose the case. That might work on the Loose Change forums, but it's not going to work in the real world. Until you can back up your claim that the FBI is lying WITH EVIDENCE, then your personal belief counts for nothing.
I can back up the claim with eyewitnesses that the man claiming to have flown a small corporate plane over the area is a treasonous liar actively participating in a cover up against the American people in any court of law.
I can then call to the stand the 8 people I currently know who are under gag orders and prove beyond all shadow of a doubt the official story is a fabrication.
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I was going to post a link to this video but couldn't find it. The video really speaks for itself that this is where the debris from Flight 93 ended up for safe and permanent storage. As the report says, only some of Iron Mountain's clients are federal companies and if I were United Airlines, I couldn't think of any place better to store the debris. Did you expect United to store the debris in an airplane hangar somewhere? Permanently? Since the report doesn't say specifically who its client for the debris is and exactly what debris is held, it's possible the NTSB is a client and stores the black boxes there. Or maybe United Airlines and the NTSB are both clients. The report doesn't tell us much one way or the either, so we can only guess, but it sounds like United is one of their clients.
You dishonest little troll.
Everyone can see in my previous response that you thought United Airlines was in possession of the Shanksville debris and I clearly showed you your error. Instead of being a man and owning up to it you lie and act as if you didn't watch the video and were already aware of this information. Then you completely lie and say United Airlines stores it there when in the report it clearly states it is the location the US Government uses to keep the "charred remains of Flight 93".
You're a dishonest little fraud who's relatively new to 9/11 "research" (I use that word loosely because you're "best" at copying and pasting and making youtube videos) and you'll find that you are way out of your league if you further attempt debate at these forums.
- RKOwens
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3) You can't "overwhelm" this thread with debris photos because it is impossible to. The fact of the matter is that the FBI set up stations in Shanksville, Indian Lake, & New Baltimore. In fact, they closed off the town of New Baltimore on 9/11. Sommerset Hospital was told to be prepared to receive possible victims from 2 separate plane crashes. Many residents of Indian Lake collected the type of debris shown in the second photo you posted.
There was a trail of debris spread for miles.....
Below are links to photo galleries showing fields of wreckage, individual pieces, personal effects, and human remains. Many pieces of paper, clothing, and insulation were indeed found at Indian Lake and in New Baltimore after being blown there by the wind. By bringing this up, are you (like many others) implying that Flight 93 was shot down? You've been claiming in this thread that the plane didn't even crash in Shanksville, so which is it? If you do believe that Flight 93 was shot down, then why was absolutely no debris found along Flight 93's flight path prior to the impact crater? As shown below, all of the "debris" that was found at Indian Lake and New Baltimore was lightweight insulation and other material and was found in exactly the direction the wind was blowing, in an area the plane never flew over.
Do you believe that those links clearly show 95% of a recovered 757? Yes or No.
You're reciting what you read on the internet again in regards to Indian Lake and New Baltimore.
Indian Lake residents called 9/11 and reported a plane flying over Indian Lake raining down debris. Jim Stop was fishing on the Lake in his boat at the time and saw the plane fly overhead breaking apart in the sky.
Plane debris, such as the type in the images you linked to [small, tiny, shiny, metallic pieces (NO BLUE ONES)] was all over Indian Lake.
Gerry Lowery collected 3 big garbage bags full of it.
New Baltimore was closed on 9/11. The media all ran to get there and were blocked from the town. No one was allowed in or out.
This is the information you, RKOwens, isn't going to learn on the internet. Unlike you I travel to the area quite frequently over the last 18 months and have learned more information than you can ever dream of with your copy and paste techniques.
Also the Indian Lake debris raining down was raining down when the people who were inside the marina heard the explosion and ran out to see what had happened. Nothing is shown that contradicts my claims. Of course the media is going to report what they are told, thats why newspapers have editors.
If you were remotely right about Flight 93 I wouldn't know the names of so many people who have gag orders placed on them in regards of it. There is never no need to silence someone from telling a story that will further corroborate your claims.
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I find it funny that you post links to people who witnessed or at least heard the crash as if it's evidence of YOUR claim.
What is MY claim RKOwens?
My only claim is that the official story is untrue or partially true.
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I've read every one of the reports of the eyewitnesses at Indian Lake. So are you conceding now that Flight 93 did crash in Shanksville as reported by countless eyewitnesses, but you believe it was shot down? If so, you're still wrong.
I am not "conceding" Flight 93 crashed or was shot down anywhere.
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The marina that the witnesses were in is just under two miles from the crash site (not 2.5 miles). At this distance, they would have still heard the engines and then the explosion from the crash 9.6 seconds after it occured. How would you expect the shockwave from such a massive explosion to effect nearby electrical circuits (yes, there was electrical lines near the crater, and as with a thunderstorm, if a line is effected in one place it'll affect the power for miles around). This happened at the WTC after each crash.
The problem with that is the Mayor of Indian Lake, Barry Lichty, "conceding" Flight "93" flew over Indian Lake if you watch LCFC although then he said what he was told and that Flight 93 never flew over Indian Lake on 9/11 and he doesn't know what plane they heard. But they heard it fly over Indian Lake shortly before the crash of Flight "93".
You should really pick one general area of 9/11 and focus on it for your "research skills" as the amounts of evidence available clearly shows you haven't learned much of the information that has come out over the last 2 years.
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So to recap, because electricity travels much faster than sound, the lights would have flickered (the true time of the crash), and then they'd hear the engines and the crash 9.6 seconds later. Think of a lightning strike causing your lights to flicker and then many seconds later you hear the strike. This doesn't mean the plane crashed after the lights flickered, it's simple laws of physics. Sound travels at 1100 feet per second.
That sucks for you RKO because the people who report flickering lights also live real close to the crash site. In fact, everyone who was in doors that day will tell you about the light anomaly before the crash regardless of how close or far away they were for it.
And if the crash somehow severed power it would have done so permanently and not caused a "flickering".
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Many of the eyewitnesses even report seeing the material raining down like confetti, indicating that it was lightweight.
No, this indicates that there was a lot of it and it was falling down from the sky not being blown along the ground from miles away. Or is your claim that all this debris blew up into the sky and spread out and fell back down to Earth and if so how come nothing is present in Val McClatchey's photo indicating airborne debris?
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This material would have been blown upward during the explosion, lifted even higher by the ensuing heat, and then carried off in the high altitude winds. The wind was blowing at 10.4 mph, which calculates out to about 40 mph in the high altitude winds. At this speed, it would have taken only about 2-3 minutes to begin raining down over the lake.
Well the problem with your scenario is you say the explosion took 9 seconds to get there. This would mean that all the eyewitnesses would have to sit in their houses wondering what the hell blew up outside for over 2 and close to 3 minutes before walking out to see the debris raining down. Ouch....that didn't happen.
And you also ignored Wally Miller's damning admittance of photographing the debris field at Indian Lake and failed to explain why the coroner of record would be photographing "paper" (your claims, not mine) at a Federal Investigation Scene for the FBI.
Spending time responding to you gives you more credibility than you truly deserve. Anyone can link and quote the corporate mainstream media word for word and think they are an authority on any given subject and get a lot of foolish people to believe them. I've seen a thousand "RKOwens" come and go over the last 5 years. You won't last either.......
12:25 PM Nov 23