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| WTC7 on fire before collapses; check out pic and vid | |
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| Topic Started: Feb 6 2008, 01:19 PM (555 Views) | |
| noeffects | Feb 6 2008, 01:19 PM Post #1 |
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Ron 1872 brought this to my attention in another thread. hmmmm....I think someone is starting a little early on those Enron case files. Any other pics or video of thie going on? picture video http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x46lt4_wtc7brand_news |
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| ron1872 | Feb 6 2008, 01:31 PM Post #2 |
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Here another one strongly zoomed-in: |
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| einsteen | Feb 6 2008, 02:19 PM Post #3 |
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Bizar, even when it 's a reflection. How does this fit in the big picture ? |
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| honestjoe | May 2 2008, 02:51 PM Post #4 |
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Wow that is a great video I wish I would have seen it earlier! As for what this means NOTE: During a public meeting on the progress of the WTC7 report NIST said they do “NOT” know how the fires were initiated in WTC7. At one point, a participants asks NIST if the fires were initiated by the collapse of WTC2, and the NIST guy says all they know is that there were fires, which may have been caused by the collapse and he goes on to say there are other forms of initiation, such as electrical outlets. NIST also makes clear at the meeting that the shutdown of the fire alarm in the morning really isn’t a big deal (this was also addressed in the conference) just like how they don’t think it matters how the fire was started. http://nasathermalimages.com/images/NIST_NCST_Advisory_Committee_Meeting_12-18-01.mp3 It is absolutely certain that that the fire was started before the South Tower collapsed therefore there is plenty of evidence to declare WTC7 an "ARSON" and begin investigating it as such. Do to the fact the fire originates in the SEC office we don't need to establish a motive as its already self evident! WE MUST DEMAND THEY INVESTIGATE WTC 7 AS AN ARSON! NATIONAL STANDARD FOR FIRE INVESTIGATION: NFPA 921. Sec 12-4: Unusual residues ...could arise from thermite, magnesium or other pyrotechnic materials! The Twin Towers and WTC 7 had the puzzling sulfur residue! World Trade Center Building Performance Study, Appendix C Source”Limited Metallurgical Examination”, shows evidence of explosives used, by way of photographs, microscopic, and chemical examination. “Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation with subsequent intergranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure."… “The thinning of the steel occurred by high temperature corrosion due to a combination of oxidation and sulfidation."..."The unusual thinning of the member is most likely due to an attack of the steel by grain boundary penetration of sulfur forming sulfides that contain both iron and copper."..."A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel."… “The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.” Note that sulfur is: “The most popular vaporizing agent due to the fact it lowers ignition temperature for most pyrotechnic mixtures.” --From the web page: Pyrotechnic Chemicals http://web.archive.org/web/20040415193823/http://members.aol.com/PyRoKiNg29/pyrochem99.html The severe corrosion and subsequent erosion of Samples 1 and 2 are a very unusual event. No clear explanation for the source of the sulfur has been identified.” http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm FEMA, Appendix C • http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf • NY Times: "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation.“ Sulfur is used with thermite (called “thermate”) to cut fast through steel. Electron microprobe data shows us that the previously molten metal has Manganese and Fluorine in abundance. (where did Fluorine come from?) Fluorine is present in an oxidizer using Polytetrafluoroethylene as its base, used in thermite charges. http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/1344-QDsu ... • Potassium Permanganate (KMnO4) is also commonly used as an oxidizer in thermite-reactants (aluminothermics). • Hence, K, Mn and F are often present in thermite residue, suggesting they are part of a “thermite fingerprint” at WTC. “When thermite reaction compounds are used to ignite a fire, they produce a characteristic burn pattern [recall white ash, white-yellow how liquid metal, intense white reaction zone -- WTC 2!] and leave behind evidence. These compounds are rather unique in their chemical composition, containing common elements such as copper, iron, calcium, silicon and aluminum, but also contain more unusual elements, such as vanadium, titanium, tin, fluorine and manganese. While some of these elements are consumed in the fire, many are also left behind in the residue.” http://www.materials-engr.com/ns96.html Thermite can leave telltale residue, 1,3-diphenlypropane (1,3-DPP)… http://www.rsc.org/publishing/journals/CC/article.asp?doi=b310405b: “Pore size effects in the pyrolysis of 1,3-diphenylpropane confined in mesoporous silicas” Analysis of the WTC dust showed: • “One molecule, described by the EPA's Erik Swartz, was present at levels "that dwarfed all others": • “1,3-diphenylpropane. "We've never observed it in any sampling we've ever done," Swartz said.” • Large amounts of 1,3 diphenylpropane strongly suggest that high-tech sol-gel thermite arson used on the WTC buldings. What other physical evidence proves the arson of WTC 7? "MANY" have found barium and the barium proves Jones is correct. Dr. Greening also said: "Spherical iron particles are direct physical evidence that the iron within the particle was molten at the time the particle formed. Each of the references below specifically mention the detection of iron spherules in WTC dust samples (and in most cases also provide electron micrographs of the particles in question). Reference 1 includes two such micrographs labeled IRON-03-IMAGE and IRON-04-IMAGE. Reference 2 discusses which WTC particles could best be used as signatures of WTC dust; iron spheres were considered and rejected only because they were not found in ALL indoor dust samples. In reference 3 we read on page 17: “Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles.” And finally in reference 4 we find a micrograph of a spherical iron particle and the comment that WTC dust contains evidence for “heat effected particles, including spherical particles.” 1. H. A. Lowers et al. “Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust.” USGS Open-File Report 2005-1165, (2005) 2. Various authors: “U.S. EPA Response to the Peer Review of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Final Report on the World Trade Center Dust Screening Study.” Page 28, (December 2006) 3. R. J. Lee et al. “Damage Assessment 130 Liberty Street Property: WTC Dust Signature Report on Composition and Morphology.” Issued December 2003. 4. S. R. Badger et al. “World Trade Center Particulate Contamination Signature Based on Dust Composition and Morphology.” Microscopy and Microanalysis 10 (Supplement 2), 948, (2004). The formation of spherical iron particles has been well documented and researched for steel making processes, (See for example: Steel Research 64, 23, (1993) and Steel Research 72, 324 (2001)). Iron spheres in the 30 micron to 1 micron range are typically seen in the dust-laden off-gases produced by molten steel and are believed to be formed by the ejection of metal droplets when the liquid metal degasses. NIST, in its fire simulations, tried very hard to get steel (>95 % iron) to temperatures above 1000 deg C but failed! This is not surprising because NIST was using kerosene or hydrocarbon/cellulosic-based fuels. NIST WANTED high temperatures to support the idea that the structural steel was weakened by heating effects. Nevertheless, some steel appears to have melted in the WTC prior to the collapse of the buildings. Interestingly some of the NISTIANs posting on this site appear to be bothered by that, preferring to deny the physical evidence for molten iron..... Oh, the IRONy! About the suggestion that the iron spherules came from cutting operations: 1. It does NOT account for the high concentrations of airborne ZINC and the detection of zinc spherical particles in WTC dust - see the paper by E. M. Fireman entitled “Induced Sputum in Firefighters Exposed to WTC Dust” published in Environmental Health Perspectives 112(15), 1564, (2004). 2. Steel cutting operations (according to OSHA data) usually generate "fume" concentrations less than 1 mg/m^3 in the vicinity of a typical torch-cutting operation and less than 10 g of iron fume is released per operation. If there were 10,000 cutting operations at ground zero during site clean-up, that is a total of only 100 kg of iron fume. I have previously estimated that over 200 tonnes of iron spherules were produced during the collapse of WTC 1 & 2. 3. The iron spherules were ubiquitous in the WTC dust. Thus they were easy to find in a total of say 50,000 tonnes of dust. Try finding 100 kg of something in 50,000 tonnes of material. 4. Cutting operations were carried out on average within 5 meters of the ground. Iron particles in the size range we are considering (~ 10 microns) have settling velocities such that the particles would all settle-out within 200 meters of GZ given the wind speeds recorded in Lower Manhattan in September 2001. 5. The USGS samples were collected WITHIN ONE WEEK of 9/11 well BEFORE there had been major cutting operations and some USGS samples were collected up to 1 km from GZ. Many of the R.J. Lee Group's samples were collected high up in 130 Liberty Street, a location that would be inaccessible to > 10 micron cutting fume particles." Dr Jones then says: Iron melts at 1538 oC, so the presence of these numerous iron-rich spheres implies a very high temperature. Too hot in fact for the fires in the WTC buildings since jet fuel (kerosene), paper and wood furniture – and other office materials – cannot reach the temperatures needed to melt iron or steel. (Remember the wood-burning stove…) Of course, elemental sulfur as found in thermate can lower the melting point of steel as discussed above. As usual, we search for possible prosaic explanations for these metallic spherules in the WTC dust. The most obvious possible source is the melting of large quantities of steel in the buildings followed somehow by formation of tiny droplets of molten steel. As discussed above, however, steel melts at about 1538 oC (2800 oF) – and the temperatures in the buildings were no where near hot enough to melt steel, and certainly not in large quantities required for the amounts seen in the dust (and pouring out of the South Tower before collapse). Furthermore, we have looked at the chemical compositions of a number iron-rich spherules as well as that of steel, and the compositions are not the same at all. It should not be surprising, however, as we analyze more spherules to find some that are steel-like in composition, assuming that thermite cutter-charges were in fact used to cut through steel. We should then find both steel- and thermite-residue spherules. Could these droplets be due to molten aluminum alloy (from the jets) striking rusty steel and/or other office materials to somehow generate the iron-rich spheres? We performed experiments with molten iron poured onto rusty steel, then onto crushed gypsum and concrete (on the rusty steel) – and observed no formation of iron-rich droplets at all nor any sign of vigorous chemical reactions. In the thermite/thermate reaction, many molten droplets are typically produced, which form spheres upon cooling in air. They are mostly metallic iron mixed with such other elements which were present in the thermite-analog used. For example, using a mixture of aluminum powder, iron and sulfur, we find small spheres are produced in the thermate reaction. The spheres from the thermite reaction are observed (using X-EDS methods) to contain strong peaks for aluminum and iron, and for “thermate”; sulfur is also prominent. (Note that the iron-aluminum-sulfur spheres from MacKinlay’s apartment contained very low calcium, so the sulfur is evidently not from gypsum, a common building material). Thus we have chemical signatures for thermite variants, and we will compare the composition of the thermite-generated spheres with the spheres found abundantly in the WTC dust. In addition, if one adds other oxidizers to the mix such as copper oxide, potassium permanganate, zinc nitrate, and/or barium nitrate, then copper, potassium, manganese, zinc and/or barium will show strong peaks in the thermite-produced metallic spherules. Thus, one can determine by X-EDS analysis just what elements were used in the originating aluminothermic mixture. It is quite possible that different formulations of thermite analogs were used in the destruction of the WTC Towers and WTC 7, so that some spherules would show – for example -- Fe, Al, S while others would show Fe, Al, S, K and Mn, and still others Al, Cu, Fe – and so forth. Aluminum (oxidized) and another metal (whose oxide has been reduced) provide the fundamental signature, with sulfur added to facilitate cutting through steel and other oxidizers added to vary the speed of the reaction and so forth. Many variations are possible. Some details are of course hard to sort out from the EDS spectra, such as the exact species of oxidizer used. (E.g., zinc oxide or zinc nitrate?). Ammonium nitrate as an oxidizer may be difficult to detect in thermite-analog residues. Since I presented much of my own research on possible thermiteresidues found in the WTC dust, Frank Greening has commented on the possibility of ammonium perchlorate contributing somehow to the destruction of the WTC Towers and the formation of iron-rich spheres in the dust (private communication). His explanation does not, however, take into consideration the detailed chemical content (including significant aluminum) of these iron-rich microspheres which has been discovered in our current EDS measurements of actual samples from the WTC dust. |
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| Headspin | May 2 2008, 03:33 PM Post #5 |
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jones 1 hour presentation Dec 2007 http://www.911blogger.com/node/15358 |
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| DoYouEverWonder | May 2 2008, 04:39 PM Post #6 |
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What was happening in WTC 7 before the Towers collapsed? Nice to see someone using my work, too bad they didn't give me credit for it. In reply to honestjoe - Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any other good pictures of the south face of WTC 7 before the collapses, therefore I can't confirm if these glows are from something going on in the building or some weird reflection or optical illusion. However, for these 'hot spots' to show up just by manipulating the color balance, would indicate that they are from heat and not a reflection, especially since this reflection does not happen in any of the other buildings facing the same way. (There are a couple of pictures of this side of WTC 7 from before 9/11, but the glows don't show up in them.) Edited by DoYouEverWonder, May 2 2008, 04:46 PM.
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| honestjoe | May 2 2008, 05:38 PM Post #7 |
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Thank you so very much for posting that. This is what I got from his presentation (with the major discovery at bottom). We now have another sample of dust by which the chain of custody shows it had been collected before WTC 7 came down. Therefore it further proves that the spheres are not from any cutting operations during the clean up. When you combine this with the five points below it is indisputable evidence that has been collaborated by several other scientific studies not related to 9/11 truth! As posted above: Each of the references below specifically mention the detection of iron spherules in WTC dust samples (and in most cases also provide electron micrographs of the particles in question). Reference 1 includes two such micrographs labeled IRON-03-IMAGE and IRON-04-IMAGE. Reference 2 discusses which WTC particles could best be used as signatures of WTC dust; iron spheres were considered and rejected only because they were not found in ALL indoor dust samples. In reference 3 we read on page 17: “Various metals (most notably iron and lead) were melted during the WTC event, producing spherical metallic particles.” And finally in reference 4 we find a micrograph of a spherical iron particle and the comment that WTC dust contains evidence for “heat effected particles, including spherical particles.” 1. H. A. Lowers et al. “Particle Atlas of World Trade Center Dust.” USGS Open-File Report 2005-1165, (2005) 2. Various authors: “U.S. EPA Response to the Peer Review of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency’s Final Report on the World Trade Center Dust Screening Study.” Page 28, (December 2006) 3. R. J. Lee et al. “Damage Assessment 130 Liberty Street Property: WTC Dust Signature Report on Composition and Morphology.” Issued December 2003. 4. S. R. Badger et al. “World Trade Center Particulate Contamination Signature Based on Dust Composition and Morphology.” Microscopy and Microanalysis 10 (Supplement 2), 948, (2004). The formation of spherical iron particles has been well documented and researched for steel making processes, (See for example: Steel Research 64, 23, (1993) and Steel Research 72, 324 (2001)). Iron spheres in the 30 micron to 1 micron range are typically seen in the dust-laden off-gases produced by molten steel and are believed to be formed by the ejection of metal droplets when the liquid metal degasses. NOW FOR THE MASSIVE DISCOVERY: Commercial thermite was purchased by engineer John Parulis and latter tested by Jones and other colleges and the results were SHOCKING! The professional grade (not home made or Jones made) commercial thermite has a near identical signature as the micro spheres found in the WTC dust samples! Fe-O-K-Al-Si When the two are compared side by side it is the same as matching a fingerprint from a murder weapon with the fingerprints of the murderer! |
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| honestjoe | May 2 2008, 06:41 PM Post #8 |
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Hi DoYouEverWonder, If you look at the last photo you will see that it cannot be caused by a reflection do to the fact that all the dust from the collapse of the South Tower would have made it far to weak to show up as it does in the photo. Because of the dust you can see that the source is from WTC7. What explanation can be given for the SEC to have been this way BEFORE the South Tower collapsed? I thought it was evacuated. Shows the fire location (before fire) of WTC7 before the false flag event: http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-8.jpg Shows the fire in WTC7 after the jet had struck the South Tower: http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-31.jpg Shows the fire in WTC7 before the collapse of the South Tower: http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-31.jpg Shows the fire even through all the dust after the South Tower collapsed: http://www.amanzafar.com/WTC/wtc-67.jpg We Know for a fact that WTC 7 was on fire before the South Tower collapsed as confirmed by Chief Hall, and Chief Morris, who decided not to establish a command post at WTC7 as planed because they had discovered it was already on fire before the “South” Tower collapsed. This is also confirmed by Lt. Dennis P. Stafford who had met up with Chief Hall, and Chief Morris to assist in the establishment of a command post. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/pa-transcripts/pa-police-reports01.pdf Other accounts confirm that WTC7 was on fire before the South Tower had collapsed and had been evacuated immediately after the first plane had struck the North Tower come from Michael Hess, New York’s corporation counsel, and Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker. Barry Jennings, a City Housing Authority worker, and Michael Hess, New York’s corporation counsel, went up to the emergency command center on the 23rd floor of WTC Building 7 after the first attack occurred. [Associated Press, 9/11/2001 However, Hess and Jennings reportedly find no one there which suggests the center is evacuated earlier than officially claimed. [Independent, 9/13/2001] Barry Jennings then starts making calls from the recently abandoned "bunker" and is then told (by phone) to get out of building 7 ASAP! At this point, according to Hess, the power goes out in the building so they then start walking down the stairs to get out as the elevators are no longer operating. (Note: officially the power outage was do to the second plane striking the South Tower) According to Hess, when the two men get down to the eighth floor, “there was an explosion and we’ve been trapped on the eighth floor with smoke, thick smoke, all around us, for about an hour and a half.” [UPN 9, 9/11/2001] Jennings similarly describes, “We made it to the eighth floor. Big explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor, and I turned to Hess. I said, ‘This is it; we’re dead. We’re not gonna make it out of here.’” [Penn State Public Broadcasting, 3/1/2002] After breaking a window and calling for help, they were spotted by firefighters outside. When the firefighters go in, they also find a security officer for one of the businesses based in the building, who is trapped on the 7th floor by the smoke in the stairway. Why this guard did not evacuate earlier, along with the rest of WTC 7, is unknown. All three men are escorted out of the building. Associated Press, 9/11/2001; Giuliani, 2002, pp. 20-21 and 244; Penn State Public Broadcasting, 3/1/2002; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 6/2004, pp. L-18 ; National Institute of Standards and Technology, 9/2005, pp. 109-110 ] |
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| DoYouEverWonder | May 2 2008, 07:03 PM Post #9 |
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Hey HJ, Has anyone figured out what floors these fires were on? WTC 7 had a few very unusual features structurally especially in the lower floors. If you targeted the truss system that held the building up, it would make bringing the building down a whole lot easier. In regards to the power, I recall that supposedly the back up power for the building kicked in and no one bothered to shut these systems down before they abandoned the building. The result was that the back up power was on until the building collapsed or the system (there were a number of them) ran out of fuel. There were fuel tanks that were uncovered in the rubble that were still intact but empty. Even after the Towers collapsed, these lights were still on under WTC 5. The traffic lights in the area were still working and the building just north of WTC 7 had lights throughout the afternoon.  |
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| honestjoe | May 2 2008, 11:21 PM Post #10 |
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Officially the power outage was do to the second plane striking the South Tower and yes the backup power is said to have kicked in. The alarm system in WTC 7 was placed on “TEST” status and was subsequently ignored on 9/11. This ordinarily happens during maintenance or other testing, and any alarms received from the building are generally ignored. http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/chapter1.pdf NOTE: the alarm was not ignored because it never went off!!!! The "TEST" status is BS according to witness reports. As for the diesel fuel: The only tanks that could feed a fire that long are the two 11,700-gallon tanks that had been located under the building’s first floor loading dock which were removed from the collapse site. They were undamaged and showed no evidence of fuel leakage. FEMA said that approximately 20,000 gallons of fuel were subsequently recovered from them, which is about 85 percent of their total capacity. http://www.fema.gov/rebuild/mat/wtcstudy.shtm Giuliani says Gas not responsible for explosions at WTC because gas to buildings had been shut off. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tpqsxQeymE&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2007/270607Giuliani.htm In interviews, several Fire Department officers who were on the scene say they were not aware of any combustible liquid pool fires in WTC 7. http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Article_Display.cfm?Section=ARCHI&ARTICLE_ID=158382&VERSION_NUM=1 According to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), between 11:30 a.m. and 2:30 p.m. on 9/11, “No diesel smells [were] reported from the exterior, stairwells, or lobby areas” of WTC 7. http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixl.pdf NIST has stated in their latest update on the progress of WTC7 investigation that the gas lines did "NOT" feed the fires or cause any explosions, that For WTC7, NIST said “it was a normal fire & no diesel fuel lines came into play”. I repeat the lead investigator said that the diesel fuel lines/diesel fuel have been ruled “OUT” as having any effect on the fire of WTC7! You will hear it about 1/3 into the meeting. http://nasathermalimages.com/images/NIST_NCST_Advisory_Committee_Meeting_12-18-01.mp3 The fire appears to originate from the SEC. Something that many debunker's agree with (for which there are a few published papers) is that there were individuals who had profited do to financial investments that appear to have been made based on prior knowledge. Bellow is from http://tinyurl.com/6jlhxh The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) later announces that they are investigating the trading of shares of 38 companies in the days just before 9/11. The San Francisco Chronicle reports that the New York Stock Exchange sees “unusually heavy trading in airline and related stocks several days before the attacks.” All 38 companies logically stand to be heavily affected by the attacks. They include parent companies of major airlines American, Continental, Delta, Northwest, Southwest, United, and US Airways as well as cruise lines Carnival and Royal Caribbean, aircraft maker Boeing and defense contractor Lockheed Martin. The SEC is also looking into suspicious short selling of numerous insurance company stocks, but, to date, no details of this investigation have been released. [Associated Press, 10/2/2001; San Francisco Chronicle, 10/3/2001] Data recovery experts later looking at 32 hard drives salvaged from the 9/11 attacks discover a surge in credit card transactions from the WTC in the hours before and during the attacks. Unusually large sums of money are rushed through computers even as the disaster unfolds. Investigators later say, “There is a suspicion that some people had advance knowledge of the approximate time of the plane crashes in order to move out amounts exceeding $100 million. They thought that the records of their transactions could not be traced after the mainframes were destroyed.” [Reuters, 12/19/2001] Building 7 housed the SEC files related to numerous Wall Street investigations, as well as other federal investigative files. All the files for approximately 3,000 to 4,000 SEC cases were destroyed. Some were backed up in other places, but many were not, especially those classified as confidential. [New York Law Journal, 9/17/2001] Lost files include documents that could show the relationship between Citigroup and the WorldCom bankruptcy. [Street, 8/9/2002] The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission estimates over 10,000 cases will be affected. [New York Law Journal, 9/14/2001] The Secret Service had its largest field office, with more than 200 employees, in WTC 7 and also lost investigative files. Says one agent: “All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building.” [Tech TV, 7/23/2002] The IRS and Department of Defense were also tenants, along with the CIA, which, it has been revealed, had a secret office in Building 7. [CNN, 11/4/2001; New York Times, 11/4/2001; Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002, pp. 5-2; New York Magazine, 3/20/2006] A few days later, the head of the WTC collapse investigation says he “would possibly consider examining” the collapse of Building 7, but by this time all the rubble has already been removed and destroyed. [US Congress, 3/6/2002] Slate reports that two years after the 9/11 attacks, neither the Chicago Board Options Exchange nor the Securities and Exchange Commission will make any comment about their investigations into insider trading before 9/11. “Neither has announced any conclusion. The SEC has not filed any complaint alleging illegal activity, nor has the Justice Department announced any investigation or prosecution.… So, unless the SEC decides to file a complaint—unlikely at this late stage—we may never know what they learned about terror trading.” [Slate, 9/10/2003] Edit by JFK - Joe, Please use http://tinyurl.com for long URL's. Edited by JFK, May 2 2008, 11:38 PM.
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| RKOwens4 | May 3 2008, 06:35 PM Post #11 |
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Looks like the reflection of sunlight to me, but who knows. The camera is facing east, which is the direction the sunlight is coming from. Why is there no smoke rising if this is indeed a fire? |
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| DoYouEverWonder | May 3 2008, 09:31 PM Post #12 |
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There was a bit more fuel in WTC 7, then just those two 11,700-gallon tanks.
And just because Rudy claims that they turned off the gas, doesn't mean that anyone really did turn off the gas or that no one turned it back on later.
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| honestjoe | May 3 2008, 11:22 PM Post #13 |
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To DoYouEverWonder Thank you for the link, I have never seen that site before, it will really come in handy. Besides the two large tanks I mentioned there were two small tanks that were later ruled out by NIST but I must admit I did not know about that news report of 50,000 to 70,000 gallons of fuel unaccounted for. However, I did notice that the report was before the discovery of the other tanks which should have eliminated around 30,000 gallons. I have not researched it yet but I assume the fuel must have eventually all been accounted for as NIST has recently said “it was a normal fire & no diesel fuel lines came into play”. But I realize I should assume nothing as I have learned not to trust anything NIST has concluded as they have proven time and time again that their conclusions are merely unsubstantiated guesses at best or purposely misleading at worst and therefore they (the few who decide what the conclusions are while ignoring their own test results) have often been proven wrong even by NIST themselves (when forced to acknowledge that reality does not fit their political science). When I have time I will look into it further, thanks again for the link its most appreciated. |
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| Swing Dangler | May 9 2008, 10:10 AM Post #14 |
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Uhhh no broken windows yet? |
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| DoYouEverWonder | May 9 2008, 10:15 PM Post #15 |
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If it was just a reflection of the sun, then more windows would be glowing and it would also happen in other buildings facing the same way. Also the glows on the lower floors are below the shadow line cast by another building and persist even after the 1st collapse when the sun was blocked by dust. Plus they are too intense to just be reflections. Why was there no smoke? There may have been smoke inside the building. Depending on the wind currents inside the building, the ac system could have been sucking the smoke out in other directions. The windows don't look broken. Not a surprise, since nothing had hit WTC 7 at this point. Internal fires wouldn't necessarily effect the windows, especially early on. Edited by DoYouEverWonder, May 9 2008, 10:16 PM.
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