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Topic Started: Feb 3 2008, 01:25 PM (599 Views)
HeyLeroy
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Howdy, y'all:

Congrats on getting your new forum up and running. Hopefully some lively discussion can be had.
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Shagata Ganai
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Multiple Criminal Theorist
Welcome! Nice avatar. Did you know it stands for freemasonry?
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HeyLeroy
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I fly it as a symbol of my religion.
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Stundie

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Feb 3 2008, 03:56 PM
Howdy, y'all:

Congrats on getting your new forum up and running. Hopefully some lively discussion can be had.
Well if it's not another SLC Forum member. lol

Hi and welcome to the new forum Heyleroy! :)

I hope that you have manage to put a stop your stalking antics, as the moderators over here will not tolerate it.

Cheers

Stundie
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Stundie
Feb 8 2008, 08:18 AM
HeyLeroy
Feb 3 2008, 03:56 PM
Howdy, y'all:

Congrats on getting your new forum up and running. Hopefully some lively discussion can be had.
Well if it's not another SLC Forum member. lol

Hi and welcome to the new forum Heyleroy! :)

I hope that you have manage to put a stop your stalking antics, as the moderators over here will not tolerate it.

Cheers

Stundie
..says the guy posting in a thread I started.

Just to clear the air:

Stundie accused me of pedophilia several times on another forum. As I have two children, and I coach girls' soccer and high school boys' football, I decided to protect myself and my reputation by notifying his employer of these accusations he posted from his work computer.

I made no attempt to find out his name or any of his personal details.

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Stundie

HeyLeroy
Feb 8 2008, 12:10 PM
Stundie
Feb 8 2008, 08:18 AM
HeyLeroy
Feb 3 2008, 03:56 PM
Howdy, y'all:

Congrats on getting your new forum up and running. Hopefully some lively discussion can be had.
Well if it's not another SLC Forum member. lol

Hi and welcome to the new forum Heyleroy! :)

I hope that you have manage to put a stop your stalking antics, as the moderators over here will not tolerate it.

Cheers

Stundie
..says the guy posting in a thread I started.

Just to clear the air:

Stundie accused me of pedophilia several times on another forum. As I have two children, and I coach girls' soccer and high school boys' football, I decided to protect myself and my reputation by notifying his employer of these accusations he posted from his work computer.

I made no attempt to find out his name or any of his personal details.

Just to clarify and because HeyLeroy suffers from selective memory and as gotten his panties all twisted again. He as neglected to mention the reasons why I called him this because I was trying to prove a point to him.....which to this day.....he clearly doesn't understand!! lol

Heyleroy joined the SLC forum because the debunkers at the SLC forum were being made to look stupid. They had to keep running over to the JREF forum for some back up and answers. At the SLC Forum, we had some very heated debates and hopefully we will not be dragged down to that level again on this forum as I doubt the mods would put up with it and it gets us nowhere, as you will see.

At the time on the SLC Forum, we were talking about Jeff & Nicole Rank who went to Bush Rally and were arrested for wearing shirts that read "Love America, Hate Bush" and refusing to relocate to an area for protesters. They were charged with trespassing but the case was dismissed and the City Council and Mayor publicly apologized for this.

So instead of defending the couples right to freedom of speech, the right to protest etc etc....some of the debunkers including HeyLeroy decided to defend the actions of the police, even though the case was dismissed and apologies were given. So Heyleroy decides to bring up an argument and try to berate me for using the "presumption of innocence" and while he started defending the "presumption of guilt" without any evidence because that is exactly what happened to the Ranks.

Heyleroy starts off trying to berate me because I'm defending the Ranks using the "presumption of innocence"

Do you remember when you posted this over at the SLC forum Heyleroy? Where you state "I just want to take a minute to touch on the concept of "innocent until proven guilty", a concept which Stundie relies upon to make many arguments." Were you argue that:-
* The presumption of innocence applies only inside a courtroom.
* The 'presumption of innocence' is a sort of legal fiction.
You even state this....which contradicts your whole argument..."To presume a person guilty and place the burden of proof of innocence upon the accused is the hallmark of a totalitarian regime. i.e. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty other wise we would live in a totalitarian regime?? lol Which we do not live in?? Anyway.....

So I replied to you and ripped apart your pathetic arguments.....
The bit were I called you a pedo was when I stated this as an example of why the "presumption of guilt" is not just used in legal terms, it is used by a democratic society. You know the one we live in!
stundie at SLC Forum
 
Not just in legal terms, but in other areas of life too let me give you an example.

I think you are a paedophile, therefore, the presumption of innocence if only based on a legal system, would mean you are a paedophile, until you prove otherwise.


Ask a legal expert of why "Presumption of Innocent" is SO much better than the "Presumption of guilt" when it comes to the law and other areas of life. I just can't believe I'm arguing this with you!

To which Heyleroy responds with in his next post.
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It's so obvious that you have no fucking clue about law.


As usual, Heyleroy misses all the points I raised and has he as already accused (Without any proof!) the Ranks of... "Hate Speech"....For wearing a "Hate Bush" T-Shirt and that they were there to "shit-disturb" even though they sat down peacefully in their chairs. :blink:

So it obvious from reading heyleroys posts that he is are defending the "Presumption of Guilt!" because according to him, the "Presumption of innocence" applies only inside a court room and is a sort of legal fiction. So to defend what you are saying Heyleroy, you get a legal acquaintance who is a lawyer (No doubt this will be JREF legal beagle LashL?? hahahaha!!) as an appeal to authority to states that you are correct!! lol :ouch: Then you top it off by calling me an "English Cunt!" :(

At the time, your avatar on your SLC profile was an animated GIF of Stewie from Family Guy rubbing his crotch!! So I highlight how stupid your argument is by giving you the same example I did earlier.
Stundie at SLC Forum
 
The argument isn’t whether the Presumption of Innocence is only applicable in a courtroom, because I never said it wasn’t did I?? The argument is does it apply elsewhere?

You seem to think that it should only apply to a court of law and shouldn’t be used else where in life. So it would appear you prefer the Presumption of Guilt and that’s where the problem lies. The only place Presumption of Guilt flourishes, is in authoritarian societies, something that you clearly support.

So on that basis! HeyLeroy is a paedophile

Based on the presumption of guilt and your love of Stewie gifs rubbing his crotch/shaking his ass, you now have to prove yourself innocent?

Good luck Pedo!
So I was using your logic, to dictate to you that you are a pedo.

If you actually listened to what I was saying instead of being obtuse, is that you are "Innocent until proven guilty!" therefore you are not a pedo. So to clarify this to you yet again, I am arguing that THERE IS NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THIS because you have the "Presumption of innocence!!!" Do you understand this yet??

He then states I'm reported here.

To which I reply...Oh GeyLeroy is getting upset because his pressumption of guilt says hes a pedophile!! hahahahaha!!

I do not know the outcome or why the mods didn't remove my comments, maybe they understood the point I was trying to make.

In this post later on, you try to defend calling me a cunt by stating that "I've never called you a pedophile." To which I responded. "Nope, but you called me a cunt which as far as I am aware, is an open invitation to verbally abuse you."

Also in that very same post, I respond to Defaultxbedot comments by stating that "Do not worry, I do not think HeyLeroy is a pedophile. I was just proving a point about the presumption of innocence and why it's important in our society."

So I called you it to highlight how stupid your presumption of guilt argument is and how when looking at anyones case you have to use the presumption of innocence, unless their is evidence of guilt.

If you do not understand that, then you are truly a lost cause and no wonder you are struggling to grasp 9/11.

Anyway.....On to HeyLeroys stalking campaign. After all of this, Heyleroy posts this rant an me....
Heyleroy at SLC Forum
 
Fuck you, you cowardly cunt. I've never called you a pedophile. It's a shame; you're such a coward that you fling accusations around just because you think you're anonymous on the internet. We'll see.


To which I respond to by stating...
stundie at SLC Forum
 
Fuck Me?? Errr!! No thanks GeyLeroy, I've got a headache, better taste and I'm not a poo pirate!!

So fantasise about fucking someone else.....like fictional cartoon characters! hahaha!!


Then you PROVE your stalking abilities by posting this a little later... because you are hinting about where I working at the time.
heyleroy at SLC forum
 
Nope, off to work for me. Sometimes I get to work and I say to myself, "man, this place is a zoo!" Do you ever say that to yourself, Shitsplatter? Ever get the feeling that you work in a zoo?


So I highlighted here what you have done. As you are dropping hint about where I am posting from.

stundie at SLC Forum
 
For the past few posts, you have been telling me I'm not as anonymous as I would like to think? So now you are dropping hints as you have obviously been checking up on me (Or stalking as it's better known!! hahahahahaha!!) to find out some information from the computer I use because you have an obsessive compulsive nature! So you've manage to find the IP address from the computer I use at ZOO? hahahahahhahahaha!!!


So instead of contacting the forum mods to complain about me calling you and getting them removed, you decided to find out the IP I was posting from, find out which company it belonged to, then contact the company, to put in a complaint about me?? :D hahahahahaha!!

Did you ever think that the comments I make do not reflect anyone else's other than myself? Why you decided to phone them is anyone guess other than yours. What was you hoping to achieve by this??

Did you think I would get a telling off?? hahahahaha!!
Did you think I would get some disciplinary action against me? hahahahahahaha!!!
Did you think I would get sacked? hahahahaha!!

Well I hate to tell you this Heyleroy, none of this happened! You know why......because I do not work for ZOO!! lol :ouch:

The only thing you did by phoning ZOO was highlight how much of an internet stalker you are. It was truly stupid and highlights the very desperate lengths you will go to as a debunker/defender of the official story. I will not even begin to tell you the laugh I've had at your expense when I heard about this complaint. :D I was just gobsmacked that you went to all this trouble...lol

If you wanted me to stop, all you had to do is agree that we, as a civilised democratic society use the "presumption of innocence" and not berate me for it. But no, you chose to be obtuse and argue over a toss over it because you can't bear the thought of a CTer being correct. And now I've had to go over this again to highlight for everyone on this forum, the lengths which you will go to try and silence people.

So to anyone reading this, if you are worried (And you should be!) about people finding out your IP, I would advise you to invest in a proxy server which will hide your IP from unscrupulous types. Just in case you make a comment that a debunker doesn't like and they decided to put in a complaint against you which could result in disciplinary action or dismissal.

For the record HeyLeroy, I do not think you mess around with kids as I believe in the "Presumption of innocence" do you get that??

However, I do believe you are a stalker because I have evidence of this.

So again, I will welcome you over here at the LC Forum and hope that this time, we can keep any debate civilised.

Cheers

Stundie :D
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HeyLeroy
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Here's the thread, and here's the post that started things rolling.

People can judge for themselves.

How'd I get ZOO's IP? Ask yourself that, Stundie. Still got that hotmail account?
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Lin Kuei
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This has gone FAR enough. Continue this over PM, people.
Closed.
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