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| Zeitgeist: Addendum; Released oct. 3. | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 4 2008, 05:03 AM (1,336 Views) | |
| JointPlays | Oct 4 2008, 05:03 AM Post #1 |
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Zeitgeist: Addendum More: http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ |
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| tower | Oct 4 2008, 08:14 AM Post #2 |
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What software does this guy use and where does he get his footage from? Whenever I try to make anything I only seem to find low-res 5 second video clips on some streaming media website. Also, what I noticed when watching the movie is that the narrator first criticizes automation and technology as the cause of lack of jobs and therefor, poverty, but then goes on and on about how wonderful it would be if our technology could advance even more. Then, around 1:14:00, he goes into hippy dream mode, where he says how wonderful the society would be if we could automate everything, so that there would be no jobs and no money. By claiming that a world without pricetags would be absolutely marvelous, he forgets that the human nature, which he has already decided to criticize will not allow such system to function. If everything is there for free and anyone can get it, what people would start doing is hoarding every good and with time, there would be no abundance of goods again. And then people would start exchanging goods. And then they would start using money as a symbol of certain amount of goods again. Then he goes on and on about how the bad people in power don't want us to use "clean" energy, because they are evil. I don't know where he got the notion that nuclear energy is ineffective (it's the cleanest form of energy we are able to produce, given the amount of emissions/MW generated). He praises wind, solar and tidal energy, forgetting that solar energy is inefficient and certainly not cheap, the tidal energy generators require constand maintenance, and that the production of windmills generating energy also produces lots of toxic waste, and the windmills themselves are extremely loud and cause birds to lose orientation by producing horrible amounts of ultrasounds. Edited by tower, Oct 4 2008, 02:58 PM.
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| Mark Dice | Oct 4 2008, 08:52 PM Post #3 |
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the producer, Peter Joseph, has taken too much LSD. The first part about the Federal Reserve. Pretty good, but just another rehash of other films (Monopoly Men, Money as Debt, Money Masters, etc.) The world with no money or medium if exchange is the dumbest idea i've heard from Peter "Jesus Hater" Joseph. Robots will do everything he says? lol. who will build and maintain the robots and software? I guess they'll work for the fun of it in Joseph's world. What about rare artifacts that can't be replicated? Works of art? Anchient artifacts? I guess these will have no value in Peter "Jesus Hater's" world with no money. What about entertainment? I guess nobody will pay any money to see a good play or movie, because the robots will star in those as well. This movie is sooooo dumb its unreal. Unfortunately the graphics and sound must have cost a fortune to create and looked pretty good, but the content sounds like something Steve Jobs dreamed up when he was on LSD back when he founded Apple Inc. The interview with the author of Confessions of an Economic Hitman was enlightening, but then talking about his dream of a world with no money or work, Joseph ruined an otherwise great piece of information about global economies. (puff puff - smell of marijuana) "Yeah man. a world with no money and where nobody has to work sounds great. The Zeitgeist Revolution sounds awesome man." He actually wants to start a "Zeitgeist Revolution" hahahahahaha. Peter Joseph is an Illuminati pawn. And where did he get the money to produce this film anyway? I love his fascination with ONE EYE and the hatred of religion. How many times did he show a close up of one eye in this film? Load your bong up if you want this movie to make any sense to you. Edited by Mark Dice, Oct 4 2008, 09:06 PM.
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| Tim Riches | Oct 4 2008, 08:56 PM Post #4 |
By His Noodly Appendage, Ramen.
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Somehow, Mark, I knew you would chime in. That you would call this film dumb is the best endorsement it can get. |
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| stopsnitchin | Oct 4 2008, 09:24 PM Post #5 |
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I too find it weird as to how high of a budget the film must have been on, they even hired actors did CGI sequences etc. There's no way some dumbass on a mac could have put all this together. Just like the first one it mixes facts with bullshit, and notice how the movie ends with the guy throwing the cross down, obviously the key point in both films is to disregard religion, the other parts are just extra. |
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| Tim Riches | Oct 4 2008, 10:10 PM Post #6 |
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By His Noodly Appendage, Ramen.
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Ridiculous. Mark, your arguments are facile and show only that you watched this through the filter of your religion. As one of the institutions under attack in it, I hardly find this surprising. Personally, I would love to live in a society that values my contribution of study and effort learning how to make and maintain robotic systems. Much better than slugging it out for eight hours in a warehouse. Your assertion that art in it's many forms would have no value in that proposed system shows how ignorant and narrow your worldview is. The inverse would be true, of course, and unique objects and performances would certainly attain a higher percieved value, not less. When humans are freed from the drudgery of being a wage slave, many will choose to do such things for pleasure alone, apart from their exchange value. Just because you can't get your head around the concept is no reason to decry it. Edited by Tim Riches, Oct 4 2008, 10:14 PM.
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| Lin Kuei | Oct 5 2008, 12:11 AM Post #7 |
logical progression
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Many may find this off-putting, but we have to remember the illuminati did not invent the symbol of the eye - and it is just that - a symbol. The eye symbolizes (among other things) consciousness, perception and illumination. That is why the eye sits at the top of the pyramid, a hierarchical structure with those at the top assuming illumined status over the unknowing masses (hence the name illuminati - these people believe they hold some of the secrets to human progression and evolution of consciousness, and these secrets are withheld from the cattle through various means, religious institutions being just one of many). We should, though, be very wary of subtle, veiled attempts by the ruling elite at creating counter-cultures, ostensibly a key to unlocking the door of human secrets and progression (for example the New Age movement), but in reality custom designed to keep people off-track. I do not, however, think that Zeitgeist is one of these attempts. 
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| tower | Oct 5 2008, 02:27 AM Post #8 |
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Why do you think people would value your contributions? If someone manages to create a self-maintaining robotic system, your contributions would be worthless. Actually, when you think about it, anyone's contributions would be meaningless, since after reaching the peak of technological era, there would be nothing to do and no motivation to do it.
I know what you mean, the problem is that, when people don't have any motivation to do something (i.e. they can just as well sit on their ass in front of their free computer eating free food inbetween having sex with their free robo-slut (ok, this getting awkward, but you know what I mean)) I doubt anyone would do it. If people do something for the pleasure of it alone, instead of the need to improve their talents, what you are likely to get is, pardon my French, shit. Look at DeviantArt. Those people draw crappy doodles one after another after another and publish them and most of them never improve. Why? Because there is no incentive for them to improve. The same would be the case with the society dreamed up in Zeitgeist:Addendum. Why have any artists, when you have robots creating all the art for you? (if you think that's impossible, look here) The people behind the Venus project say that without money, with everything available for free, there will be new incentives, but they don't name any. What are all the people that don't enjoy painting or are crappy at it supposed to do? "Lay around in the sun", in the words of the Venus project, obviously. Then Peter goes on and on about how wonderful it would be if all the world would be one, how everyone would be happy, holding each other's hands et cetera, et cetera. The thing is, there's nothing new about this idea. People have heard it a thousand times. Zeitgeist itself does not provide any way of reaching that state, but still, like a work coordinator, the narrator feels entitled to lecture everyone how things should be. This is certainly going to appeal to rebellious high schoolers, but not to rational people that want solutions, not ideas. The author asks us to imagine how the world would have looked like if the people working on Manhattan project worked for the good of the world instead, forgetting that Nazis wouldn't care either way. It was either working on better weapon to defeat them, or spending the final weeks of your life in a concentration camp. Finally, I find it somewhat cute how Peter thinks he'll create "the largest social change movement the world has ever seen" together with his naive solutions ("move the money to another bank" - it's still all in the hands of the central bank, "quit your job at this and this bank" - yeah, right, people are going to risk not being able to feed themselves and their family over a movie they've seen on the internet, "boycott the media and only use <<Internet based independent news agencies>>" - this one is funny, because most of those "independent news" are recycled from the mainstream media, unless you're naive enough to believe that reporters have the mindset of a rebellious teen, and will work for free just because). This is what happens when you gain too much attention from people - you start believing that you're some sort of a Messiah. Here's a thing however, going to www.thezeitgeistmovement.com is not going to bring forth any social change. That's because sitting on your ass in front of a computer monitor speaking about how great future will be "if only more people join in" is the worst thing you can do. Unluckily, those people fail to realize it, which is a result of having access to the Internet - most people who do, believe they're special just because they can say whatever ridiculous thing that comes to their mind to a likeminded community of delusionals. In the words of Tyler Durden, you are not a special, unique, beautiful snowflake. You're just like everyone else, and Zeitgeist: Addendum is mediocre. Edited by tower, Oct 5 2008, 03:25 AM.
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| Agent | Oct 5 2008, 10:07 AM Post #9 |
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so far so good waiting for the lies about god and wut not i remebr the last 1 lmao lied about islam just threw it out there hopin none would see and i dont even belive in god but non the less lies suck at 1:30 bwahahaha he pussyd out about god this time 
Edited by Agent, Oct 5 2008, 10:38 AM.
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| Mark Dice | Oct 6 2008, 12:12 PM Post #10 |
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Typing is too slow and hurts my hands, so...... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX_c27D-L1s |
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| Flippy | Oct 6 2008, 12:31 PM Post #11 |
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I went to watch this but saw you and barfed. |
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| Lin Kuei | Oct 6 2008, 01:03 PM Post #12 |
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logical progression
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flippy, c'mon dude. Couldn't you be a little more constructive? |
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| Agent | Oct 6 2008, 01:25 PM Post #13 |
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mark u fail |
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| alexvegas | Oct 6 2008, 02:35 PM Post #14 |
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Mark 'Common Sense Hater' Dice is spoiling all the good work he does for 9/11 truth by continuing to preach his anti-anti-christian views. And by digging at someone's character purely because their views/research/movie condradicts his unproven beliefs does Mark 'No Logic' Dice no favours whatsoever. (see what I did there? OMG LOL WTF ROFL PWND) |
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| Tim Riches | Oct 6 2008, 04:34 PM Post #15 |
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By His Noodly Appendage, Ramen.
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I think the biggest problem with the Venus Project is that most cannot fathom how we could get there from here. If what I'm reading above is any indication, aside from the religious criticisms the goals of the project aren't in dispute, just how we would achieve them. Being an avid reader of science fiction, I'm no stranger to these concepts. Many a time I have felt that the author did a disservice by starting their book at a point where they could look back into the barbarous past and feel pleased that they had achieved an enlightened state. Star Trek really pissed me off with their glib 'we don't have hunger or poverty anymore' tripe. Not enough effort and energy have been applied to explaining how to achieve these lofty goals, merely stating their objectives and lauding them. Of course everyone would like to live in such a society. The biggest problem I see to achieving it is not on the technological front. As Zeitgeist Addendum stated, and I agree, we already have much of the technology required to do this TODAY. No, the problem isn't technological, it's sociological. It would take new concepts of social structure that would be decried as 'Socialist' and 'Communist' in today's world. It would rely on voluntary compliance with the rest of society on a level which is not only unheard of, but inconceivable under the present order of things. There would need to be radical, incremental changes in the structure of our society in order to allow this 'Utopia' to work at all. Therein lies the crux issue, the biggest challenge for the project BAR NONE. Given the world as it now stands, I believe it would be impossible to achieve this proposed society. There is just too much personally and societally invested in the status quo. To expect that those in power, the bane of our current society, to give up one iota of their power and investment would be ludicrous. Not only would they not participate in such a plan, they would absolutely fight against it. Also, all people of the world now have their values, lives and futures so tied up in this corrupt system of things, whether by consent or design, that the shift necessary to pull it off would be unimaginable. The only hope for the future is if humanity can pull off a coup the likes as has been pulled off on us, and in the same fashion - incrementally. The "how to boil a live frog" analogy would be apt here, though the water would not boil and the frog would not be killed. Small changes in the technological side can significantly help out here, as the NOW more and more would resemble the FUTURE. Better medical technology to prolong and improve life; better, less harmful agricultural techniques that would feed the populace without requiring ten calories expended for every calorie harvested; breakthroughs which would allow drastically enhanced efficiency in the collection of alternative energies... the list could go on and on. But the single biggest hurdle we face is ourselves. We not only cannot conceive of how we might get the better society we all want, but are actively opposed to it largely because those who have been pulling the strings for so long have already achieved their goals. Every small step towards a better society takes on the aspect of a giant, smashing it's way through our deeply held beliefs and values. Every idea is shot down as an unethical challenge to our comfortable existence. Even the concept of World Government in abstract is shot down in flames by those who would most benefit from it, simply because we cannot concieve of such a government being benign and only view it as a furtherance of the goals of the wicked who currently run the show. (I agree) No, this Venus Project will fail, as will all such projects in the future. The best they can hope for is to advance rocketry and space habitat research to a point where the idealists can pack up and leave this doomed world to it's own future. I hope they save me a seat. |
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| Flippy | Oct 6 2008, 05:53 PM Post #16 |
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You're right, I shouldn't have posted about how Mark Dice makes me barf. |
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| Guile | Oct 6 2008, 06:17 PM Post #17 |
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lol |
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| BoneZ | Oct 6 2008, 07:25 PM Post #18 |
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You just can't keep religion out of any of your conversations can you? In the civilized world, we don't make fun of or denigrate others because of their sex, race, creed, color, sexual orientation or religion. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs no matter how much you don't like those beliefs. So what if Peter Joseph is a Jesus hater? That's his choice and who the hell are you to question that? When you denigrate others' religious beliefs, you make yourself look like an un-American Nazi. |
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| Mark Dice | Oct 6 2008, 08:28 PM Post #19 |
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You're right. And I am entitled to my too, no matter how much YOU don't like them.
hahahaha. Are you calling Peter an unamerican nazi for denigrating others religious beliefs? Oh, that's right. Your hippocracy only labels ME that for exposing Peter Joseph as a weirdo who hates Christianity and Jesus. |
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| Tim Riches | Oct 6 2008, 09:11 PM Post #20 |
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By His Noodly Appendage, Ramen.
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Hipocrisy, not hippocracy. Damned religious education system! Joking. Seriously Mark, the fact that you can't see that religion is one of the most potent tools in the arsenal of those you are in opposition to speaks volumes not only of the power of the church, but to the limitations of arguments against the NWO that do not also include religion. Edited by Tim Riches, Oct 6 2008, 09:14 PM.
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| Mark Dice | Oct 6 2008, 09:24 PM Post #21 |
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Wrong again. Jesus message was and is so powerful that the Catholic Church and other branches of the Illuminati took it, and kept it from the people. They packaged it up and sold bits and pieces to the uneducated public, keeping them from even owning a copy of the Bible. The Illuminati keep Devine and spiritual principles for themselves, and their own benefit. They despise the fact that Jesus brought that message to the masses. They have their own religion, and want the zombie population to have nothing. Seems with films like Zeitgeist, and Zeitgeist AddenDUMB it's working very well. By the way "Peter Joseph" is likely the pseudonym of James Coyman who owns the registration for GMP LLC, the company that "Peter" used to produce his film. A film that cost tens of thousands of dollars. And where did that money come from? THAT is a good question. Edited by Mark Dice, Oct 6 2008, 09:25 PM.
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| Lin Kuei | Oct 7 2008, 12:59 AM Post #22 |
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Going by the supposed cost of a doco proves absolutely nothing. There are a lot of people out there who have money that hate the NWO. Look at the Italian documentary "Zero" - that had a huge budget, but was it disinfo? - no. |
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| alexvegas | Oct 7 2008, 07:08 AM Post #23 |
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Sex, race, creed, colour and sexual orientation are NOT beliefs. They should never be lumped together with religion. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but if they are ridiculous and based on nothing real, everyone else has the right to question them. |
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| tower | Oct 7 2008, 10:23 AM Post #24 |
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Of course they are, read my posts.
It's called science fiction for a reason. And as far as I remember, Zeitgeist: Addendum didn't really tell us what exactly we should do, it just offered loose suggestions, like stop working in a bank, don't join the military, etc.
Yes it is. We don't have machines that are able to maintain themselves or even do half of our work for us on their own.
Zeitgeist: Addendum, barely touched the problems with the Venus project.
First of all, we would need to get rid of greed, which highly unlikely, unless we drug ourselves into being emotionless. Second, we would need to somehow motivate ourselves to do anything else than consuming. There are much worse problems that would have to be faced.
That, or maybe, just maybe, they like to feel usefull?
Tell you what, while people with who can't really contribute to any of this, like, let's say, Peter Joseph, construct their visions, countless scientists are working on the issues you mentioned. But of course you forgot about them.
That's because in the long run, nothing presented in Zeitgeist: Addendum as "future" would work. |
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| BoneZ | Oct 7 2008, 03:03 PM Post #25 |
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I haven't seen Peter denigrating others' religious beliefs. I've only seen you do it. Why bring yourself down to his level? It only makes you look as bad or worse than him. And once again, who cares if he hates christianity or Jesus? His choice, his beliefs and you have no right to libel him because of his beliefs. I'm agnostic. I read the bible, but I have my own beliefs on what really happened. Wanna call me a christianity or Jesus hater? I'm not a Jesus hater by any stretch, but you don't have to believe in any religion to not be a Jesus hater. I don't know what country you live in, but in the United States, the constitution guarantees that everyone is free from hardship and discrimination due to their sex, race, creed, color, sexual orientation and religious beliefs. So whatever country you live in may not lump religion in with the others, we do in this country. Of course anyone has the right to question anyone's beliefs, but once again in this country, you're guaranteed freedom from hardship and discrimination no matter what. You can start your own religion and it doesn't matter how crazy or ridiculous others think it is, you're still guaranteed freedom to express and worship your own religion (as long as it's within the law). I'll start my own church and it will be called The Church of Latter Day Lightning Bug Worshippers. We will worship lightning bugs. May seem crazy to you, but the constitution of this country guarantees that you can't do anything about it no matter how crazy you think it may be. On the other hand, we were guaranteed free speech and right to assemble. Seems that has gone down the drain... Edited by BoneZ, Oct 7 2008, 03:04 PM.
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