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The Pentagon video's should be priority #1
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 01:12 AM (623 Views)
esopxe
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I've been reading the recent threads in the Pentagon section and have read most of the idea's and arguments. The Pentagon is what got me into researching 9/11 back in late 2001 so I've seen and heard most of what is out there. After all these years, the only definitive answer I have to what happened to the Pentagon is that I don't know what happened at the Pentagon.

But, what could end many of the debates in the 9/11 community regarding the Pentagon, is if we could get all those video's released from that day. And in turn, if those video's don't match the official story, the entire fairytale that the public has been sold is in the circular file. And if all the video's do show flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, it doesn't hurt the argument of 9/11 being an inside job at all. We just find out some truth to that day, which is what we're all looking for isn't it.

So how do we get those video's? Freedom of information act? Can we get someone like Kucinich or Gravel to help us demand the tapes? I'm not sure what would be the best course of action but I do believe that those are the most important pieces of evidense in helping us to solve what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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I appreciate your sentiment and think your heart is in the right place but I absolutely disagree.

No evidence that has been confiscated, controlled, and released by the suspect is valid.

It's clear that what video has been released so far has been tampered with.

The very fact that this evidence has been sequestered STRONGLY implicates a cover-up.

Just as important evidence as the video that has been completely overlooked by the movement are the 911 tapes.

We have made every effort possible to obtain them but unlike in New York they have not been released by the FBI.

Read about our efforts to obtain them here.

But even if they were released now they would be worthless because the suspect has had control of them for years.
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esopxe
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I agree that it is very suspect that they won't release the tapes but I wouldn't call them worthless. Surely you would like them released to be analyzed by all, professional eyes and the eyes of the public. Wouldn't worthless mean that you would have no interest in what they reveal because you have already made your mind up that they are tainted, edited or manipulated?
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Craig Ranke CIT
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esopxe
Feb 1 2008, 01:39 AM
Wouldn't worthless mean that you would have no interest in what they reveal because you have already made your mind up that they are tainted, edited or manipulated?
No court would accept evidence that was sequestered, controlled, and provided for years later by the defendant.

It is simply not valid evidence in support of their story in any way therefore it is not valid evidence at all.

Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 01:50 AM.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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The tapes wouldn't have been worthless if they were instantly released.

They are now.
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Stundie

Hi Craig,

I understand what you are saying Craig, seeing as they have had hold of the tapes for over 6 years but since we do not know what exactly is on those tapes, I wouldn't say they are worthless yet.

If they are ever released, which I doubt very much, I would reserve judgement on them.

Cheers

Stundie
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Craig Ranke CIT
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It's impossible to reserve judgement because we already have proof that 9/11 was an inside job AND we can prove that data they have already released has been tampered with.

There is an established precedent for evidence tampering.

No data released by the perpetrators is valid evidence in favor of their story.

This is a fact.
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Terral
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Hi Esopxe:

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Expose >> I've been reading the recent threads in the Pentagon section and have read most of the idea's and arguments. The Pentagon is what got me into researching 9/11 back in late 2001 so I've seen and heard most of what is out there. After all these years, the only definitive answer I have to what happened to the Pentagon is that I don't know what happened at the Pentagon.


My ‘two attack’ Pentagon explanation is here, if you would like to offer your comments, rebuttals or counterproposals.

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Expose >> But, what could end many of the debates in the 9/11 community regarding the Pentagon, is if we could get all those video's released from that day. And in turn, if those video's don't match the official story, the entire fairytale that the public has been sold is in the circular file.


Consider that 9/11 was definitely and “Inside-Job” and the real bad guys to carry out all of these attacks are in charge of the FBI/Bushie/DoD Investigation. :0) If these murderers had any intention of exposing themselves, or any intention of telling ‘the’ 911Truth, then we would have already seen all these videos long before now. These murderers of innocent Americans are hiding all the evidence possible, because they have a LOT to hide. :0) There is no Congressional Oversight of the out-of-control Bushie Administration, because they already know 9/11 was an Inside Job and they do not care about what hit the Pentagon any more than Senor Bushie wants to tell the 911Truth. The do-nothing Congress and the out-of-control Bushie Administration have separated themselves from the will of We The People, which accounts for the historically low approval ratings. We have 20 million illegal aliens running around loose in this once-great-country and nobody cares that 25 US Citizens are killed by them every single day. Senor Bushie has already worked behind the scenes to bring in his CanAmeriMexico Fascist State and he is just waiting for everyone else to figure that out for ourselves. :0) However, we already have sufficient evidence to put all of the Inside-Job bad guys (AND their little helpers) into the gas chamber, but nobody is lifting one finger to do one thing about it.

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Expose >> And if all the video's do show flight 77 hitting the Pentagon, it doesn't hurt the argument of 9/11 being an inside job at all. We just find out some truth to that day, which is what we're all looking for isn't it.


The videos will show a 9:31:39 AM Missile Strike ‘and’ the ‘Flyover’ taking place just five minutes ‘before’ the same Jet struck the Pentagon at 9:36:37 AM using the North Of Citgo Flight Path explained in my post linked above.

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Expose >> So how do we get those video's? Freedom of information act? Can we get someone like Kucinich or Gravel to help us demand the tapes? I'm not sure what would be the best course of action but I do believe that those are the most important pieces of evidense in helping us to solve what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.


2.3 Trillion Dollars (CBS News Article) can buy a lot of Inside-Job silence. LOTS of people already know everything contained in ALL the video tapes and NOBODY is going to do one thing about it. Go around to all of these 911Truth Boards to realize that NONE of them give two hoots about what really hit the Pentagon, but they have two dozen excuses for what DID NOT hit the Pentagon. :0) Many 911Truth pretenders run in place holding up “light pole” and “FBI staged this and that” theories without any intention of EVER addressing the subject of what actually hit the Pentagon on 9/11 at 9:32 AM. In fact, one can hardly get these posers to even use the “9:32 AM Attack” language in a sentence, because that would send the red flag up for their Inside-Job handlers running diversion for the Official 9:38 AM Loyal Bushie LIE. Congress, the Bushie Administration, the DoD, FBI, CIA, FEMA, the Justice Department and everyone else involved have NO INTENTION of letting ‘the 911Truth’ out of the Inside-Job bag, because they are just as GUILTY as Senor Bushie, Karl Rove, Dicky “The Wargame Commander” Cheney, John “Let The 51 Israeli Demolition Crewmembers Go” Ashcroft, Rudy “Go To Pier 29” Giuliani, Larry “Pull It” Silverstein and all of their Inside-Job cohorts working every day to hide ‘the 911Truth’ from We The People. These Inside-Job bad guys hijacked over 10,000 dollars for every man, woman, child and illegal alien in this country on 9/11 and to this day ‘they’ believe that ‘they’ have gotten away with murdering over 3000 of our fellow Americans.

My opinion is that evidence from this Pentagon Case will break the larger 9/11 Case wide open, when people begin concentrating on the importance of the ‘first’ 9:31:39 Explosion AND begin demanding a real investigation to THAT aircraft crash having nothing to do with the 9:38 AM Official Cover Story. Many of you fail to realize just how damaging this 9:32 AM First Explosion evidence is to the Official Cover Story. Honway pointed this very important point out on the Old Board and on his own 9:38 AM First Explosion Thread ‘and’ after he ignored my rebuttal for a week, saying (this is important),

Honway’s Old 9:38 AM First Explosion Thread

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Honway >> If it could be established beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a significant fire or explosion at the Pentagon at 9:32 that would be a very important smoking gun.

If it could be established beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a significant fire or explosion at the Pentagon at 9:32 then the infrastructure is in place in the truth movement to demand elected officials explain the source of a fire or explosion at the Pentagon before the reported impact of Flight 77.

If it could be established beyond a reasonable doubt that there was a significant fire or explosion at the Pentagon at 9:32, we could hold the people responsible for covering -up the information accountable for their role in the murder of 3,000 innocent people and the attack on our Constitution.


Honway (like Russell Pickering) is a major player in helping me see ‘the 911Truth’ in a clearer Light today, even if we continue to disagree over many things. How many realize the significance of Honway’s enlightening testimony right here? The ‘smoking gun’ Honway is referring to is the fact that Official FBI-produced Flight Data Recorder Evidence offered up as evidentiary support for the bogus 911Commission Report (notation #61) places ‘their’ bogus Flight 77 ‘outside’ Pentagon Airspace, when the Official FAA Timeline says the aircraft crashed into the Pentagon at 9:32 AM! The FBI grounds for Federal Jurisdiction is based upon the Official 9:38 AM Jetliner Crash that could NOT be responsible for ‘this’ 9:32 AM first explosion for which ‘no’ government investigation has ever been conducted on a federal, state or local level.

I have contacted the Virginia State Attorney General’s Office ‘and’ everyone down to the Arlington County Board (Tcopeland@arlingtonva.us) ‘and’ even the Arlington County Fire Department (Jbrown2@arlingtonva.us) about the inconsistencies in the Federal and ACAAR Documentation and NONE of them give two hoots about what hit the Pentagon at 9:32 or any other time. :0) Why? 9/11 ‘was’ and ‘is’ an INSIDE-JOB and many people are ‘now’ on the INSIDE from the top of the federal government to the little chickens in the Arlington County Fire Department AND everywhere in between. Any loose canons were eliminated from these departments LONG ago, so that today only the inside-job disinformation/counterintelligence cronies remain. If you really think the FBI is going to produce the ‘self-incriminating evidence,’ then I have some swamp – I mean – lake front property to show you here in Florida. :0)

Start demanding an investigation of the 9:32 AM Pentagon aircraft crash and perhaps someone will begin paying more attention . . .

GL,

Terral
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Reddawn

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Feb 1 2008, 10:13 AM
It's impossible to reserve judgement because we already have proof that 9/11 was an inside job AND we can prove that data they have already released has been tampered with.

This is a fact.
No, you DON'T have proof. No, it's NOT a fact. Only in Craigs world do you have proof.

If you have proof, why aren't you spending your time busting down the doors of every journalist in the Country? How many reporters at the LA Times have you contacted? The NY Times? The Washington Post?

Don't you think there are thousands of journalists that would LOVE to break the story of the Century and win a Pulitzer like Woodward and Bernstein?

And, before you go on about the mainstream media is controlled by the Govt, consider this. There are also hundreds of very reputable foreign media outlets that would LOVE to break the story as well. There is no love lost for the Bushie administration worldwide.

See...proof is only in YOUR eyes. I haven't seen a shred. Nor has anyone else of any significance or the story would be on CNN.

So knock off the delusions that everything is a "fact" and there is "proof." It only subverts your message and makes it look even more foolish.

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Stundie

Craig Ranke CIT
Feb 1 2008, 10:13 AM
It's impossible to reserve judgement because we already have proof that 9/11 was an inside job AND we can prove that data they have already released has been tampered with.

There is an established precedent for evidence tampering.

No data released by the perpetrators is valid evidence in favor of their story.

This is a fact.
I'm not doubting the data released hasn't been tampered with. I remember the 12th Sept 2001 time stamp on the 1st lot of Pentagon video footage I ever saw.

I believe you have proof that 9/11 was an inside job and I do not doubt it because I have proven it was an inside job too.

I also agree that the data released by the perpetrators isn't necessarily valid evidence in favour of their theory, but as I said, because we do not know what evidence they do have, it could also be valid evidence and in favour of your theory too.

That is the point I was trying to make.
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SPreston
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esopxe
Feb 1 2008, 01:39 AM
I agree that it is very suspect that they won't release the tapes but I wouldn't call them worthless. Surely you would like them released to be analyzed by all, professional eyes and the eyes of the public. Wouldn't worthless mean that you would have no interest in what they reveal because you have already made your mind up that they are tainted, edited or manipulated?
They cannot be released until they are tampered with and edited. Is it not blatantly obvious that any existing videos would demonstrate crime scene planting and tampering and missing OCT MSM witnesses which is exactly why OUR fabulous FBI confiscated all the area video tapes within minutes of the crime in the first place? Correct? So if they are released, they will be released altered and edited just like the already released videos. Correct?
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Craig Ranke CIT
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Stundie
Feb 1 2008, 10:33 AM
.....it could also be valid evidence and in favour of your theory too.

That is the point I was trying to make.
As I am quite sure all of the evidence released so far would have been if it wasn't tampered with.

They won't release evidence that proves their story incorrect.

Everything they do is for a reason.

The 5 frames were leaked on purpose to keep us spinning our wheels about missiles and objects hitting the building and distract us from the real smoking guns such as the flight path.

I look at everything in context of the investigation.

The suspect is the government.

Nothing they release will solve this crime.

The only way to solve the crime is to find independent evidence that they did not control.

This is why the eyewitnesses (particularly previously unpublished ones) are so important.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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Welcome back SPreston!
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