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| What motivates you?; Question to official-story defenders | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 31 2008, 11:43 PM (1,607 Views) | |
| Diane | Feb 2 2008, 09:37 PM Post #26 |
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In my experience, abusive behavior is pretty much inevitable in almost any well-publicized online forum dealing with almost any controversial topic, unless the forum happens to be exceptionally well-moderated and well-organized. Offline too, in my experience, all political movements and all controversies are accompanied by their share of bad behavior. It is up to individual groups to try to figure out how to remedy the situation, to the extent that they are willing to try. The issue of behavior, to me, is a separate issue from the aims of any particular political movement. |
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| MikeyMetz | Feb 2 2008, 10:45 PM Post #27 |
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From my blog, Confessions of an Ex-Truther: Well first off, I don't support any "official story," I support the mountains of evidence in favor of what actually happened on 9/11: 19 Arab highjackers took over planes with boxcutters and caught America with its pants down. I think this person's question illustrates the fact that troofers can't comprehend simple disagreement with their CTs. If you don't agree with them, you obviously haven't done your "research." If you're so interested in finding out the motives of debunkers, I must ask you to rejoin us in the real world for a moment. Let's just assume that the "official theory" is the most accurate description of events. In this case, the 9/11 Troofers: -- Accuse several innocent people in the mass murder of 3,000 Americans -- Give Muslim extremists a complete pass -- Give the rest of the world more reason to hate America -- Give Americans more reason to despise their government -- Piss on the graves of the 9/11 victims (i.e. Passengers on Flight 93) -- Rewrite history to suit your "blame America first" political agenda (Imagine those high school history students googling 9/11 for a paper, and thinking your CTs are the real deal.) These are things that rational people consider before throwing out kooky CTs with little to no evidence. Truthers may have their right to free speech, but it doesn't mean your views can't be challenged. I'm sure this explains, more or less, why debunkers do what they do. Why do I do it? To try to encourage those who sit on the fence or who are even actively involved to stop wasting their time. I spent over a year of my life dedicated to these CTs, and I can't tell you how many nights I wish I could have back, where I was stressing over "not doing enough for the movement." Luckily for me, I realized it was all a farce before any permanent damage was done. I know others who are not that lucky, and have already began to throw away their lives completely in the name of these CTs. So there you have it. You can go back into your fantasy world now, or you can challenge yourself intellectually and stay here in reality with the rest of us. |
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| Diane | Feb 3 2008, 12:23 AM Post #28 |
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The more I've dug into this issue, including the arguments from both sides, the less likely it seems to me that the U.S. government simply "got caught with its pants down." Opponents of "conspiracy theories" commonly argue that, the bigger the conspiracy, the greater the likelihood that someone will talk, hence the smaller the likelihood that the conspirators can get away with it or even succeed in carrying out their plans in the first place. But, for some strange reason, this argument doesn't get applied to a conspiracy of nineteen young men in an organization which most likely is crawling with spies.
My question isn't about "simple disagreement," but about those who choose to spend a lot of time on the issue. I'm wondering what these people's underlying concerns are. (They probably vary from one individual to another.) One reason I ask is that some people in the 9/11 Truth movement assume that all active opponents of the movement must just be getting paid, or something. I don't assume this, and it would be good to know what the driving passions of sincere opponents are.
Which of the above is the most crucial to you personally?
Is "time" really the issue? If so, why are you continuing to spend so much time on this issue, albeit from the other side? Anyhow, to reply to two of your issues: I don't "give Muslim extremists a complete pass," but I do think it highly likely that an organization like Al Qaeda would be thoroughly infiltrated by intelligence agencies from all over. Nevertheless, I am aware that religious fanaticism can be exceedingly dangerous. I don't pretend that it doesn't exist. Regarding Flight 93: I have not paid much attention to the question of what happened to Flight 93, which to me is pretty much independent of the the larger issue. If indeed it should turn out that Flight 93 was shot down, that wouldn't prove any kind of government complicity in the attacks themselves. After all, it can be argued that Flight 93 should have been shot down, so, if a shootdown happened but was covered up, that would prove only that someone got cold feet about the possibility of being sued by the families of the passengers, or something. On the other hand, even if the official story (whichever version thereof you choose) is exactly correct about Flight 93, this doesn't disprove government complicity in the attack, either. Edited by Diane, Feb 3 2008, 12:25 AM.
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| Gideon524 | Feb 3 2008, 12:25 AM Post #29 |
Oh, you didn't know?
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| no family | Feb 3 2008, 02:36 AM Post #30 |
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MikeyMetz, something you wrote reminded me of an old post of mine: http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/73398/1/#new |
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| jthomas | Feb 5 2008, 01:22 PM Post #31 |
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Let me throw something back to you, Diane, that will shed some light on the subject. What motivates you to use the term "official story"? Where did you get that term? What does that term actually describe or suggest, to you? |
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| arbor | Feb 7 2008, 11:42 PM Post #32 |
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I am motivated by a general love of humanity and a wish to see us all have a better understanding of the world around us. |
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