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The Debunking of Terral's Conspiracy Theory; A test to see if Terrel is genuine
Topic Started: Jan 31 2008, 03:49 PM (3,667 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT
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Hi Terral and forum readers,

I am going to take some time or rather waste some more time on Terrel's wild and convoluted conspiracy theory.

This thread will serve as public record to display Terrel's honesty and intent.

There is no need to get mired in his other threads. The purpose of this thread is to show him how he is wrong and to walk him through this.

I would hope the admins take notice of this thread. I have ALREADY spent an unnecessary amount of time on Terral already. He was corrected severely, he never acknowledged the corrections, changed his ever changing theory, applied even more over confidence and assurance that this theory was what really happened, and continued spamming this nonsense across forums everywhere.

Terral is a danger to the truth, he should either be removed from posting or only allowed in an "Alternative Theory" section as he continues to muddy the water while he subtley goads us and antagonizes with continuous threadwasting and the ever present mentioning of the "CIT boys". .

I will let Terral make his case here and then I will tediously deconstruct his ridiculous and insulting "theory" and show him and everyone else why he is wrong and why he should stay out of the pentagon investigation business.

Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jan 31 2008, 03:51 PM.
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The Pentagon was attacked on 9/11 by a rogue element inside our own military using a poorly executed plan that failed from the very beginning. The inside-job bad guys used a retrofitted radio-controlled A-3 TNT-filled Jet to launch a missile attack (like this) at 9:31:39 AM (see FAA Timeline here) on Column Line (CL) 14 using this flight path, but the complicated maneuvers caused the radio operator to lose control and altitude at the critical moment, which caused the starboard wing to begin clipping the five downed light poles. The radio operator had a panic attack for fear that the painted up A-3 would crash into the Pentagon lawn, so he pulled back on the joystick to create what the CIT boys are calling the “Flyover Plane,” NOT at 9:38 AM, but at 9:31:39 AM when the Pentagon clocks stopped. The radio operator then began making a wide turn to the north that was witnessed by the C-130 pilot and many other people, until making the final attack strike on the Wedge One Wall between CL 9 and CL 15 at 9:36:27 AM just about 5 minutes later to create Terry Cohen's "Terrible Explosion."

The problem for our inside-job bad guys is that the Pentagon Limestone-clad masonry wall required the ‘inside’ explosion from the missile strike, in coordination with the A-3 CL 9-15 massive explosion, to take down the E-Ring roof during the 9:31:39 AM attack run. This attack location was chosen far in advance because of the CL 11 control-joint that would bring down the E-Ring roof very efficiently and effectively. However, the A-3 Jet was forced over the E-Ring roof at 9:31:39 AM and also struck the second story concrete slab in the 9:36:27 AM attack, which means the E-Ring roof fell just one foot (look carefully at the control joint above the fire truck) to become wedged tightly against the northern side of CL-11. Our inside-job bad guys then had a terrible problem, because many explosive charges were needed to eventually bring the E-Ring roof down at 10:15:16 AM about 45 minutes after the original missile attack. This means the inside-job bad guys had to go around fabricating the many different “Official Timelines” that are filled with contradictions (Page 200) in order to give their fake “Flight 77” Cover Story the resemblance of credibility. The inside-job bad guys have been working everyday running their counterintelligence disinformation campaigns to cover their tracks from that time to today.

Lloyd England’s taxi was struck by Pole #1 during the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, which is the reason he saw a single smoke plume from the original small CL 13-15 entry hole (picture). While he and his partner were wrestling around with the light pole, then the A-3 Jet created the “Big Boom*” that knocked him down and almost killed him for the second time in just 5 minutes. :0) Many people think the light pole evidence was staged, because they are BLIND to the 911Truth that we have been looking at ‘two attacks’ all along. The second ‘Big Boom’ happened 5 minutes later at 9:36:27 AM, while Lloyd and his helper were removing the pole from his windshield. The next series of explosions started at 9:42 AM, which is event #27 on my Pentagon Timeline here.

The reason you have so much confusion and contradiction between all these Pentagon witnesses is because ‘some’ of them saw the 9:31:39 AM A-3 Flyover and others saw the actual Jet hit the Pentagon at 9:36:27 AM, while others saw the same wide-turn like the C-130 described above. The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the A-3 disappear into the single smoke plume on the ‘South-of-Citgo’ Flight Path, while the 9:36:27 witnesses saw the same painted-up Jet crash into the Pentagon wall using the “North-of-Citgo” Fight Path shown here. The 9:31:39 AM witnesses saw the light poles flying around, but the 9:36:27 AM people saw no signs of any light poles being hit along the North-of-Citgo Flight Path. That is the reason some so-called Pentagon Investigators think the light pole evidence is all staged. :0) We have small bits of Jet debris, because the A-3 was blown into a kazillion bits at impact. Nobody has ever found one piece of any real Boeing 757-200 Jetliner debris, because this damage and this damage was NOT created by any real 100-Ton Jetliner going any 533 miles per hour. :0) That is the reason no 'time-change' parts have ever been produced by the inside-job FBI/Bushie Administration bad guys in the first place. The damage pattern is consistent with a ‘three attack’ scenario from the 9:31:39 AM missile strike, the 9:36:27 AM Jet attack ‘and’ the subsequent Controlled-Demolition Explosions that eventually brought the E-Ring roof down at 10:15 AM.

This is The 911Truth that MANY so-called leaders of the bogus 911Movement do NOT want you to see.



pick away..........
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Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 31 2008, 03:49 PM
Terral is a danger to the truth, he should either be removed from posting or only allowed in an "Alternative Theory" section as he continues to muddy the water while he subtley goads us and antagonizes with continuous threadwasting and the ever present mentioning of the "CIT boys". .

He's a "danger to the truth"...LOL

Come on Aldo. What you really seem to be saying is that he's a danger to YOUR TRUTH.

Personally, I find Terral somewhat of a conundrum.

He does an exhaustive and well researched debunking of the CIT claims while at the same time expousing a claim that most find is equally....let me find the right word here..."unlikely."

Why should he be removed from here? Is censorship a good thing? Has he broken any rules? He's been posting his theory at JREF for awhile now and has received plenty of flack and arguments.

But, no one there is calling for his censorship or removal. Damn JREF'ers.

Should no one here be allowed to "muddy the waters?" Is that really what you suggest? If your theory is correct then you should actually welcome debate.

Go Terral go. I personaly think you're full of it but respect your right to present your opinions and theories here and elsewhere. That's how we learn.

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Reddawn
Jan 31 2008, 08:16 PM
Go Terral go. I personaly think you're full of it but respect your right to present your opinions and theories here and elsewhere. That's how we learn.

My 2 cents... Reddawn, what you fail to realize is that the word I have hilited does not exist in Aldo's vocabulary.

At one point I thought it did but I have since been proven wrong.

Admins can check my PM's ( which I have since turned off because of Aldo ) for verification of what I have said above.

I find it truly sad when one as talented as Aldo becomes so obsessed with another to stalk and attack him around the internet. - http://letsrollforums.com/really-happened-pentagon-t16443.html

But that also goes for ALL sides of the fence.... if you know what I mean.

@ Aldo... I already know you won't... but please take that as constructive criticism.

@ Terral... I don't agree with what you have postulated thus far, but DON'T ever quit because of people like Aldo.

What I find especially amazing is that both of you do have one thing in common that neither of you seems to realize....
We were lied to as far as the events of 911 are concerned.

That ( a lie ) alone got Clinton impeached and Bush re-elected.
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JFK
Jan 31 2008, 09:19 PM
Admins can check my PM's ( which I have since turned off because of Aldo ) for verification of what I have said above.

LOL. I guess it's good to know I'm not the only one here who has received unsolicited nasty emails from him. What's that all about?

Is there a way to block a person without shutting of the PM feature?
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Reddawn
Jan 31 2008, 09:32 PM
JFK
Jan 31 2008, 09:19 PM
Admins can check my PM's ( which I have since turned off because of Aldo ) for verification of what I have said above.

LOL. I guess it's good to know I'm not the only one here who has received unsolicited nasty emails from him. What's that all about?

Is there a way to block a person without shutting of the PM feature?
If there is, I have not found it... an ignore feature would be nice.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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JFK,

You need to step back and think about the EVIDENCE.

You better believe we are angry.

You better believe we are tired of the disinfo, the spin, the THEORIZING, and the nonsense.

We have not only realized this but we have acted upon it and accomplished what nobody else has bothered to do.

And that is put our LIVES on the line to bring back evidence proving 9/11 was an inside job.

With this we have been 100% successful.

The media, authorities, and the entire movement have failed to go there and talk to people to find out FOR REAL what happened.

We succeeded.

If you understood the level of dedication we have had towards solving this crime and if you had an inkling of the amount of information we have obtained in this process there is no way you could be mad at Aldo for being aggressive against people who attempt to subvert our efforts.

Aldo has not "stalked" Terral.

Quite the contrary.

Terral has paraded around every 9/11 forum that exists straight up attacking us with is nonsensical rantings and unsupported lunacy.

Is Aldo over the top?

Sure.

Is diplomacy going to bring 9/11 truth to the forefront?

Yeah right.

The Vietnam anti-war movement wasn't successful because they were "civil" or diplomatic.

We have brought back mother f'ing proof that 9/11 was an inside job so for people to think we need to be "open" to speculative idiocy and blatant vitriolic attacks from people like "Terral" while "equally considering" hard evidence like we have provided is basically an admission that everything the movement stands for is doomed to the fate of JFK.

Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Jan 31 2008, 11:03 PM.
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And you need to step back and see what you are doing to your allies.

What you are doing is the mental equivelent of what our troops did in gitmo... Which they also did to some of our allies, which will never be allies again.

I am not knocking your work or investigative skills, those are highly commendable. It is your attitude towards those who ARE on your side but see things differently.

Instead of bringing forces together you are dividing and alienating.... as you did with me when the first loose change forums were active.


If it is a fight you want take it to congress, or elsewhere where it will do some good.... Of course with your attitudes it would only get you tazered and removed from the premesis there. And I can say I would not blame them.

BTW, Aldo DID stalk and attack terral and posted on a forum where he WAS banned... and now is again.

and did not your own investigation begin with a theory ? I know Merc's did all those years ago..

shall I pull up some of his early bullshit posts ?

http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=74281&postcount=1

Gee, sound like someone we know ?
Edited by JFK, Jan 31 2008, 11:55 PM.
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Avenger
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What you are doing is the mental equivelent of what our troops did in gitmo... Which they also did to some of our allies, which will never be allies again.

That's a little over the top. Personally, I don't consider Terral an ally.
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I am not knocking your work or investigative skills, those are highly commendable. It is your attitude towards those who ARE on your side but see things differently.

Instead of bringing forces together you are dividing and alienating.... as you did with me when the first loose change forums were active.

You don't think you're being divisive right now?
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If it is a fight you want take it to congress, or elsewhere where it will do some good.... Of course with your attitudes it would only get you tazered and removed from the premesis there. And I can say I would not blame them.

What's with the insults?
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What's with the insults?

Do you really want me to post the PM I recieved ?
Edited by JFK, Feb 1 2008, 12:02 AM.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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No our investigation did not begin with a theory.

It began with a suspicion.

We sought to confirm or refute our suspicion that a plane did not hit the building.

It was confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt.

If you were truly an "ally" you would see this and know it.

Go ahead and put up some of his "bullshit" posts from letsroll when Merc was KILLING it with the most thoughtful, detailed, in depth, heavily researched, fact filled posts you could ever imagine.

Read the first LCF with all the initial incredible discussions between Aldo and Russell (that reveal a lot) and it will be clear why Dylan recognized his investigative insight enough to want to fly him out to Arlington and use him as a consultant for Final Cut.

Not only did we expand on that initial research trip (that was completely Aldo's brainchild and plan for him and I to do on our own before Dylan suggested we meet him out there) by following up and getting the north side evidence but we went back AGAIN and now we can prove the plane flew over DC!

So after all of that incredible posting all those years ago that made you respect Merc so much and after all of the incredible progress we have made.....what did letsroll and Jayhan do?

Ignore it.

We posted it there.

Came back months later to crickets.

Jayhan admitted he never even bothered to watch the interviews.

Think about that.


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Do you really want me to post the PM I recieved ?

No. Terral is no prince charming, himself. Neither are you. Why don't you post some of Terral's bullshit posts? Not that I think you should. I just think you're being a hypocrite.
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Craig Ranke CIT
Feb 1 2008, 12:03 AM
Read the first LCF with all the initial incredible discussions between Aldo and Russell (that reveal a lot) and it will be clear why Dylan recognized his investigative insight enough to want to fly him out to Arlington and use him as a consultant for Final Cut.

So after all of that incredible posting all those years ago that made you respect Merc so much and after all of the incredible progress we have made.....what did letsroll and Jayhan do?

I don't want to read those arguements again... it was bad enough trying to moderate them the first time around.

Aldo burned his own bridge there.
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JFK
Jan 31 2008, 11:47 PM
Wow.

I didn't click on that.

I can not believe you would stoop so low.

Read the date everyone:

Join Date: Aug 2005

post date: 08-18-2005,


2 and a half years ago.

We ALL fell for Karl Schwarz's crap.

It's in Loose Change.

Aldo researched it, proved it wrong, and begged Dylan to take it out of 2nd Edition.

He continued his emails with Schwarz and realized quite soon after his post that Schwarz was a liar WAY before anyone else.

Aldo was very sincere in that post and simply typing out his honest feelings the time.

I can't believe you are trying to turn that against him.

Who are you JFK?






Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 12:22 AM.
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JFK
Feb 1 2008, 12:13 AM
I don't want to read those arguements again... it was bad enough trying to moderate them the first time around.

Aldo burned his own bridge there.
The bridge was only burned recently when he realized that the incredible evidence we have obtained would be ignored by you and Jayhan no matter what.

Jayhan admitted to not even bothering to view the evidence.

Have you viewed it?

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Craig Ranke CIT
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I just kept reading Aldo's post from 2005 that you linked.

It's absolutely brilliant.

It shows how he put the disinfo to rest with REAL research!


The entire thing needs to be quoted here because it is a perfect example of an honest, thorough, factual post based on EVIDENCE.

Did you really think there was anything bad about this other than that he still wanted to trust Schwarz?
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Craig Ranke CIT
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Look what he says right in the beginning:

"Secondly, if I am incorrect about any of this info. Please inform me. Regardless of the inclination of the human ego, I do want to be wrong or mistaken about this."
Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 12:30 AM.
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Damn look at the title!

KARL SCHWARZ WRONG ABOUT PENTAGON ENGINE PART?(A NEW THEORY)

Absolutely brilliant.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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You see there were no A3 skywarrior parts found.

Aldo proved 2 and a half years ago that what few parts were found DO fit a 757.

This is why the BS that Terral is pushing pisses us off so much.

If an A3 hit there would be A3 parts.

Aldo debunked this crap years ago yet people are willing to STILL entertain it from Terral?

It's insane.
Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 12:42 AM.
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My point is that everyone is new to this at first....
with their own views.

People with attitudes and ego's like yours only serve to alienate these new people.

Like I have said it is not your research I have a problem with...
But apparently you choose not to see that.

BTW, he also says that he believes an A3 hit the pentagon...
perhaps he doesn't like terral because terral is making the same mistake he made all those years ago.

ROTFLMAO I thought you didn't have a theory... you said suspicion if I remember correctly.

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Aldo was very sincere in that post and simply typing out his honest feelings the time.


Yeah, what the hell happened to him ?

I see no more sincereness... only a frothing at the mouth, if you will, anymore.
Edited by JFK, Feb 1 2008, 12:55 AM.
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JFK
Feb 1 2008, 12:44 AM
My point is that everyone is new to this at first....
with their own views.

People with attitudes and ego's like yours only serve to alienate these new people.

Like I have said it is not your research I have a problem with...
But apparently you choose not to see that.

BTW, he also says that he believes an A3 hit the pentagon...
perhaps he doesn't like terral because terral is making the same mistake he made all those years ago.

ROTFLMAO I thought you didn't have a theory... you said suspicion if I remember correctly.

I never said we have never theorized.

I said our investigation was not based on a theory and it was NOT.

You can see how he realized LONG BEFORE our trip that the "theories" that existed were bunk.

That is EXACTLY WHY he thought of the trip to begin with.

To bring the research to the next level and figure out FOR REAL what really happened.

We were tired with all the theorizing and realized that nothing could possibly get solved on the forums.

Terral is not a "new person".

He exploded on all the forums a few months ago claiming to have "thousands of hours" of research but going off about missiles and all the old debunked crap as if it's fact while instantly attacking the "flyover theory".

We blew his mind with info and I even had a phone conversation with him for about an hour.

It made him completely change his theory and he even incorporated our theory with his lunacy while STEPPING UP his personal attacks and bringing them to every forum that exists including "Rigorous Intuition" for gods sake.

It's out of control.

Meanwhile letsroll continued to ignore us and then act like the Terral infiltration was OUR fault.

Yeah, Aldo blew up.

Oh gee.

Sowwie.

Perhaps if you had done so much as acknowledge his existence he would have reacted differently.








Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 01:07 AM.
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Give CIT some real "new people". Let us speak to a room about the evidence. Your mind will change very quickly.

Our presentation in Chandler last year was a fine example. I gave a speech and showed clips of the data and Aldo took questions from the audience. People were enthralled.

Same with when I spoke in New York at the "ready for mainstream conference" by nyc911truth.

I couldn't even finish the presentation because 20 people had their hands raised.

The forums are caustic.

It's the perfect environment for people like Terral.

Get CIT in front of a room of "new people" and I guarantee you'll have a room of people knowing that we have proof that 9/11 was a lie.

Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 1 2008, 01:06 AM.
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When contemplating the immensity what happened that day "a few months" IMO qualifies as new.

As far as Letsroll goes, http://letsrollforums.com/showpost.php?p=144503&postcount=8

As far as I am concerned it is too late for sowwies.

Perhaps if he begins showing some respect things may be different.... but he now has to prove himself.

That will not be easy.

It is his choice.... Not mine, not yours.
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JFK
Feb 1 2008, 01:27 AM


It is his choice.... Not mine, not yours.
psssshhhh.

Hold grudges all you want.

The forums are NOTHING.

letsroll is nothing.

This forum is nothing.

Our forum is nothing.

We don't have to suck up to you or apologize for being SOLDIERS and providing evidence that SOLVES this crime.

WHO ARE YOU JFK?

You are nobody but an anonymous forum fiend.

Either fight for what proves 9/11 was an inside job or shut the hell up.

What have you really done to prove 9/11 was an inside job?

Attack us because of our "attitude"?

Gee thanks.

What a great contribution.

Go study the civil rights and Vietnam anti-war movements and THEN come back and give me a lecture on etiquette.

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