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United 93; planning and executing fake calls
Topic Started: Jan 30 2008, 05:31 PM (837 Views)
no family	Jan 30 2008, 05:31 PM Post #1
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #191 Joined: 01/23/08	Let's assume the phone calls made on board United 93 were faked. What would it take for this to happen? Pardon me if my understanding of the generally agreed upon facts are off. You would need to know the passenger manifest well in advance. (Do we know when the passengers booked their flights?) You then need to select which of those passengers you will be impersonating. Then you must investigate their private lives, days or even weeks in advance, so that when you make the fake phone calls you can accurately assume their private lives, being able to answer private questions, be familiar with family and friend names, history of relationships, etc. in order to maintain an authentic conversation. This also means that you must be familiar with fiends of family of the selected passengers who you will impersonate. You then must master speech patterns, dialects, accents, etc. Of course it's not just you doing this, there are several impersonators, because some of the phone calls were made simultaneously by different people - more than one passenger calling a family/friend at the same time. Then the technology. What exactly is the technology? I don't doubt it exists, but what exactly is it and where do you get it? I know there is software that can distort audio, adding all kinds of effects. But what is the software that actually makes your voice sound like someone elses? It would have to be able to do it live. Its different than taking a recording and then going back, adjusting pitch and tempo, etc. That's all I can think of for now. If anyone else has anything to add, feel free.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jan 30 2008, 06:36 PM Post #2
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	no family Jan 30 2008, 05:31 PM Let's assume the phone calls made on board United 93 were faked. What would it take for this to happen? Pardon me if my understanding of the generally agreed upon facts are off. You would need to know the passenger manifest well in advance. (Do we know when the passengers booked their flights?) You then need to select which of those passengers you will be impersonating. Then you must investigate their private lives, days or even weeks in advance, so that when you make the fake phone calls you can accurately assume their private lives, being able to answer private questions, be familiar with family and friend names, history of relationships, etc. in order to maintain an authentic conversation. This also means that you must be familiar with fiends of family of the selected passengers who you will impersonate. You then must master speech patterns, dialects, accents, etc. Of course it's not just you doing this, there are several impersonators, because some of the phone calls were made simultaneously by different people - more than one passenger calling a family/friend at the same time. Then the technology. What exactly is the technology? I don't doubt it exists, but what exactly is it and where do you get it? I know there is software that can distort audio, adding all kinds of effects. But what is the software that actually makes your voice sound like someone elses? It would have to be able to do it live. Its different than taking a recording and then going back, adjusting pitch and tempo, etc. That's all I can think of for now. If anyone else has anything to add, feel free. or you could take a couple of your agents, create a backstory for them and have another person claim to be their relative if it is questioned. not that i subscribe to fake phone calls just showing you how you made something way more complicated that it need be.
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no family	Jan 30 2008, 07:07 PM Post #3
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #191 Joined: 01/23/08	Quote: or you could take a couple of your agents, create a backstory for them and have another person claim to be their relative if it is questioned. Create a backstory...but it has to be accurate. Maybe I misunderstood you. Another person claim to be a relative? I don't know what you mean by this. Quote: not that i subscribe to fake phone calls just showing you how you made something way more complicated that it need be. About the phone calls, what do you subscribe to?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jan 30 2008, 08:11 PM Post #4
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	no family Jan 30 2008, 07:07 PM Create a backstory...but it has to be accurate. Maybe I misunderstood you. Another person claim to be a relative? I don't know what you mean by this. Example : Operation Northwoods. CIA Agents would have these identities created that they were young college students leaving for spring break or a vacation. So then other agents would play the role of their relatives for the press. No one would dare question such a horrible thing. Quote: About the phone calls, what do you subscribe to? There's 3 threads in this forum. One of them briefly covers what I find odd about a couple of the calls.
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look-up	Jan 31 2008, 11:46 AM Post #5
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	i'm not entirely sure if they were faked, but If they wanted to, they could have tapped the phone calls of these people in advance, picked up nicknames, relatives names to use when the fake call is placed, to make it sound convincing. It's very easy to do when you have the intelligence apparatus involved. there was a thread where it was discussed in length on the old forum, but I really couldn't locate it without a search function.
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JFK	Jan 31 2008, 11:50 AM Post #6
Posts: 4,219 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	look at the date of this article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm
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no family	Jan 31 2008, 12:58 PM Post #7
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #191 Joined: 01/23/08	Quote: Example : Operation Northwoods. CIA Agents would have these identities created that they were young college students leaving for spring break or a vacation. So then other agents would play the role of their relatives for the press. No one would dare question such a horrible thing. If this scenario played out in 911, that would mean that all the friends and family members of United 93 passengers are agents? And the friends and extended family memebers of those people are agents too? Quote: not that i subscribe to fake phone calls just showing you how you made something way more complicated that it need be. Having agents play friends and family of United 93 passengers is pretty complicated. They need to assume those roles for life. That's a lot of people. It's not just the people who were involved in the phone calls. It's the people they are friends with and related too, as well. Anyone who knows the "friends" and "family members" would have to be in on it, too. All fake identites. All fake lives. They have to mainatain that identity for life, and live that life. That's A LOT more complicated. Quote: JFK Today, 11:50 AM look at the date of this article. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm Yeah that's interesting stuff. Thanks.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jan 31 2008, 01:34 PM Post #8
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	no family Jan 31 2008, 12:58 PM Quote: Example : Operation Northwoods. CIA Agents would have these identities created that they were young college students leaving for spring break or a vacation. So then other agents would play the role of their relatives for the press. No one would dare question such a horrible thing. If this scenario played out in 911, that would mean that all the friends and family members of United 93 passengers are agents? And the friends and extended family memebers of those people are agents too? No it wouldn't. It could mean that pivotal phone calls like Beamer's & Glick's which remained connected long after UA93 is alleged to have crashed weren't on the same plane as Ed Felt and probably the other 12 or 13 people identified by Wally Miller. The other 30+ passengers were all "identified" by the Armed Forces DNA Lab in Maryland. So no, again an explanation doesn't "have to mean" anything. You are intentionally trying to be very deceitful. Quote: Having agents play friends and family of United 93 passengers is pretty complicated. They need to assume those roles for life. That's a lot of people. It's not just the people who were involved in the phone calls. It's the people they are friends with and related too, as well. Anyone who knows the "friends" and "family members" would have to be in on it, too. All fake identites. All fake lives. They have to mainatain that identity for life, and live that life. That's A LOT more complicated. I'm sorry can you list all of the "friends" who have spoke publicly about the Flight 93 passengers or are you yet again trying to be intentionally deceitful? An assignment is an assignment. Here this is your name, this is your story, check will be in the mail. You really think this is complicated? You're making this way bigger than it needs to be because you are intentionally deceitful and your motivations for posting here (like your original name "victims family") aren't genuine in the slightest bit. Please take 1 passenger and list their parents names and places and dates of birth. Then their spouses. Then any children. And then follow that up with a list of their friends. Now I imagine we can do that for about 14 or so people that were on the plane alleged to be United Airlines Flight 93 but I will bet the bank that it cannot be done for all of them. Hell, I suspect you can't even do it for just 1 of them. So you should really stop all of the lying and embellishing because you are not fooling anyone......... Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Jan 31 2008, 01:36 PM.
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no family	Feb 1 2008, 01:44 AM Post #9
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #191 Joined: 01/23/08	I really don't know where to begin in answering everything you've asked. So, for now, I will provide you with some links that will give you an idea as to where and how your questions could begin to be answered. Various names and details are mentioned in these links: http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20020911families0911p3.asp http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_526844.html http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/04/19/rec.flight.93.families/index.html http://kdka.com/topstories/Sept.11.Flight.2.384882.html http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/30/MN224865.DTL http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-11-fl-93_x.htm http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/dailycourier/s_526852.html This one is interesting. It's a good one: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0324-01.htm http://www.donnan.com/Flight_93.htm Quote: You're making this way bigger than it needs to be because you are intentionally deceitful and your motivations for posting here (like your original name "victims family") aren't genuine in the slightest bit. How am I intentionally deceitful? What do you believe my motivations to be? Quote: So you should really stop all of the lying and embellishing because you are not fooling anyone......... Please provide quotes of where I lied. Please provide quotes of where I embellished. Thank you.
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look-up	Feb 4 2008, 11:05 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	bickering asside, what matters is that something being "hard to believe" does not take away from its being true. It's elementary, dear Watson.
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no family	Feb 5 2008, 11:53 PM Post #11
Posts: 23 Group: BANNED! Member #191 Joined: 01/23/08	look-up Feb 4 2008, 11:05 AM bickering asside, what matters is that something being "hard to believe" does not take away from its being true. It's elementary, dear Watson. Domenick DiMaggio CIT has said he doesn't subscribe to fake phone calls. As far as "hard to believe" goes, all sides of the argument propose events that the other sides find hard to believe. That's why this debate exists. Edited by no family, Feb 5 2008, 11:54 PM.
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look-up	Feb 7 2008, 02:33 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	what you say is true. however, your entire argument could be paraphrased as "this is too difficult to be done, so it probably wasn't done". What I said thoroughly debunked your argument.
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