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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 29 2008, 11:39 PM (1,016 Views) | |
| Domenick DiMaggio | Jan 29 2008, 11:39 PM Post #1 |
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Frame 9:34:38 is missing. Could this be the flyover frame? Frame 9:34:40 is missing. Instead frames 9:34:38 & 9:34:40 are duplicated in their place. Then the following sequence occurs : 9:34:41 9:34:42 9:32:43 How the hell is this even possible?? 9:34:44 9:32:46 9:34:47 |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jan 30 2008, 12:43 AM Post #2 |
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1. All evidence controlled and provided for by the suspect is automatically invalid evidence in support of their story. 2. A flyover would not be visible in that video anyway. It's amazing to me how pseudoskeptics boldly proclaim this grainy video from 3,000 feet away with a tree blocking the view is "proof" there is no flyover. And of course like all the video evidence there are signs of tampering. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Jan 30 2008, 12:43 AM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jan 30 2008, 01:18 AM Post #3 |
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the tampering of evidence is so apparent in this clip that it is repulsive. |
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| Terral | Jan 30 2008, 10:52 AM Post #4 |
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Hi Domenick: I am assuming that you started this Doubletree Video Topic after reading my “9:32 AM First Explosion” post here and my comments starting paragraph #3. BTW, all the CIT boys are invited to begin offering your rebuttals and counterproposals to my Opening Post proposals on that thread and this one too. However, since none of you have a working hypothesis on what actually hit the Pentagon at 9:31:39 AM or 9:36:27 AM to stop these clocks, then perhaps we will not be seeing anything like that anytime soon. This Doubletree Video evidence is one very interesting aspect of this Pentagon case. You wrote:
No sir. You can see the Plane passing under the overpass on frame 09:34:07 on this larger video, even if the timestamp data has been altered. The reason we see skips, hops and jumps in this video is because the real time is 9:32 AM, or two minutes ‘before’ the 9:34 AM time, which we can see in this picture taken from the final frames. Here we see the explosion already has taken place a 9:32:43 AM, because the single smoke plume is already rising up above the E-Ring roof. The painted-up A-3 has already downed the five light poles and has disappeared overtop the E-Ring roof to begin making the wide turn to the north seen by the C-130 pilot. The large 9:32:43 AM smoke plume marks the time that Pole #1 struck Lloyd’s taxi windshield, even though this event actually took place at exactly 9:31:39 AM when the Navy Clock (on right) stopped to begin this series of events. The Citgo Gas Station Camera #7 caught the A-3 Flyover shadow sown here (lower right), but the timestamps are exactly 10 minutes fast providing the same exact 9:31:39 AM time (9:41:39 minus 10 minutes). Lloyd and his helper wrestled with Pole #1 for just under five minutes, until the A-3 made the wide turn and impacted Column Line 9-15 to create the "Big Boom" at exactly 9:36:27 AM to stop this clock when 'you' think the first explosion took place.
Wrong answer! Remember that the FBI/Bushie Official Cover Story says Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon at around 9:38 AM (Page 200), or several minutes ‘after’ even the fake 9:34 AM times revealed in most of these Doubletree Security Video frames. In fact, the Official CNN/Bushie time of AA77 impact is 9:43 AM or over 10 minutes ‘after’ the real First Explosion.
Yes. Practically everything the FBI touches is ‘altered’ in one way or another. We see two frames missing from the Pentagon Security camera footage (lower sound) the very same way, which ‘does’ eliminate the 9:31:39 AM A-3 Flyover Plane from the frames.
How is this even possible? :0) How did you miss the fact that the frames begin again at the end with 9:32:43 AM explosion? :0) My Pentagon Timeline shows the Doubletree explosion as event #15 in the 9:32 AM time slot, which agrees 100 percent with the Official FAA Timeline, but where does ‘your’ CIT Pentagon Timeline place this first explosion? :0) How do you guys even conduct any serious Pentagon Investigation without generating an accurate timeline for placing each event in a chronological and sequential order of events? If one of you will kindly post ‘your’ CIT Official Timeline of Pentagon Events to this thread, then perhaps the rest of us can gain some idea of how this Doubletree Video data fits into your broader view of things. Thank you in advance, GL, Terral Edited by Terral, Jan 30 2008, 11:08 AM.
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| Terral | Jan 30 2008, 11:40 AM Post #5 |
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Hi Craig:
All what? :0) Who exactly is the ‘suspect’ you are talking about? Are you saying the Doubletree Security Personnel are ‘inside-job’ terrorists like Lloyd and Father Stephen McGraw and all the other “Lamp Pole” witnesses? This data was extracted by “Judicial Watch” under a Freedom of Information Act request going back to December 15, 2004, until 'the evidence' was released on May 16, 2006. The CIT guys are NOT authorized by anyone to decide which body of evidence is ‘automatically invalid,’ which is nothing more than throwing effort after foolishness. This Doubletree Video data is just one facet of a much larger Pentagon Case Jewel that includes many pieces part of a massive ‘Inside-Job’ Puzzle.
Yes, the flyover plane is visible from the Doubletree Security Video by looking carefully under the overpass at 9:34:08-09 here. The Opening Post copy is simply too small to see much of anything.
How who? :0) What in the heck is a pseudo-skeptic anyway? We know for certain that a ‘flyover’ took place at 9:31:39 AM, because Lloyd and all of Terry Cohen’s witnesses (news video here) saw the PLANE. However, when Lloyd looked back at the little hole and the black smoke from the “inside-the-building fires,” then he had no clue as to what happened to the PLANE. If you listen to Terry’s testimony very carefully, then she is wondering how on earth all of these witnesses were talking about a BIG PLANE, when she stood outside the little '18-foot 3-inch' hole just a minute after the 9:31:39 AM impact and there was NO WAY any BIG PLANE crashed there. Then, five minutes later, Terry’s “Terrible Explosion” from that news video became Lloyd’s “Big Boom” representing Lloyd’s ‘second’ explosion and second episode with Pole #1. Identifying this 9:31:39 AM ‘flyover’ is secondary to establishing what actually hit the Pentagon to create these ‘two’ explosions.
No sir. “All” the video evidence does NOT show signs of tampering like we see in ‘some’ of the Pentagon evidence. The news report establishing Terry Cohen’s testimony above is obviously very good and the product of excellent authentic Journalism. I am wondering when ‘you’ believe the first explosion took place at the Pentagon? Around 9:32 AM or later at around 9:38 AM? GL, Terral Edited by Terral, Jan 30 2008, 11:40 AM.
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jan 30 2008, 12:19 PM Post #6 |
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Terral, Like all of the videos, the DoubleTree video was quickly confiscated by the FBI. The DoubleTree security personnel did not control it nor did they release it in December of 2006. It is invalid evidence as all the released video is. Also....you can not see an A3 Sky Warrior, or a 757, or any projectile at all in that video "under" the overpass. You probably picked up on that piece of disinfo from this presentation from RK Owens: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QgUdMCZ5ik His claims are preposterous though and the type of misinformed analysis that we should expect from people who have never even been to the area. The "opening" underneath the overpass he is referring to has no view of the flight path. We drive right up to that area at the end of CIT Jettin' Crosstown Part 2. ![]() As you can see there are actually 3 overpasses: ![]() It's impossible to see the flight path or the plane at all from the ground level of the DoubleTree which is where the released camera view is. Here is the actual camera: ![]() ![]() This is the problem when people who have never been to the area try to analyze things without enough data to be accurate. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Jan 30 2008, 12:21 PM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jan 30 2008, 01:01 PM Post #7 |
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Hi Terral, Here is what most likely will be the last response you ever receive from me. I'm not interested in spending my time refuting your 'evidence' and 'thesis'. What you do not and will not address is why did all the eyewitnesses presented to date who saw the North side plane all failed to notice the Pentagon was already on fire from your alleged skywarrior impact some 5 minutes earlier.
Here is something we can agree on.
No sir, you can't. [/quote] The reason we see skips, hops and jumps in this video is because it is fake and can't be used for anything other than proving evidence tampering and cover up. All other info is null & void because the video has been manipulated before the public ever had access to it.
Oh you dropped the Mach 12.5 cruise missile in favor of the Skywarrior which doesn't have a wingspan capable of knocking down said light poles? Oh I guess we're back to asking Lloyd to demonstrate how he removed the pole from his cab and him repeating "I don't know".
You have no evidence to support the smoke plume is from 9:32 except an altered video released by those covering up the crime. The only evidence of a light pole impaling a cab is a photograph of the only pole out of 5 to land on a road laying near his cab and his cab having a whole in the windshield. The fact that Lloyd doesn't know how he and a stranger removed the pole from his cab and that although photographers were taking pictures and video of what happened almost immediately not one of them noticed this scene or managed to capture an image of it. What you actually do have is evidence that an event took place at 9:31:39.
No it didn't. Did you get banned at the last LCF or did you just not read anything that was actually posted there?
5 minutes???? And no one saw the pole sticking out of the cab as described except Lloyd England?
No it is not the wrong answer. That frame is missing and the second before it is duplicated and inserted in it's place. I don't care what the FBI/Bush's story is. I'm telling you what is wrong with the Doubletree video. I'm not even addressing the rest of your post because I am so goddamn frustrated with you. Terral : This thread is about the Doubletree Video. It is not about : 1) Skywarriors 2) Lloyd England and light poles 3) Which side of the Citgo the plane approached from and when 4) FBI/Bush 9/11 Commission Timeline 5) Your other threads on the forum and their lack of replies If you wish to discuss why you think the Doubletree Video is a legitimate piece of footage for valid independent research then I am more than willing to discuss/debate this with you since I think this video is proof of evidence tampering and cover up. If I should decide I wish to discuss Skywarriors, Mach 12 missiles, and how everyone in DC missed the fact that the Pentagon was already on fire as the plane approached the building I know who to track down. Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Jan 30 2008, 01:04 PM.
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| Terral | Jan 30 2008, 02:12 PM Post #8 |
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Hi Craig:
Thank you for stating the obvious . . .
No kidding. That is the very reason your "All evidence controlled and provided for by THE SUSPECT is automatically invalid evidence in support of their story.," statement made no sense at all. The FBI was forced to release the information: http://judicialwatch.org/6068.shtml
Therefore, your statement about what “Doubletree security personnel DID NOT control” makes even less sense for Craig to be drawing any conclusions.
No sir. Craig cannot see the flying object using the South of Citgo Flight path at 9:32 AM, but I see it just fine. :0) Nobody could possibly see any A-3 Jet, because it had been retrofitted and painted up to look like a real 757-200 Jetliner, but only to people close-up enough to be tricked. :0) Witnesses seeing the same decoy crash into the Pentagon from a distance (here and here) testified to seeing a smaller twin-engine commuter plane.
Please do not condescend to me about disinformation in light of the stuff I see from the CIT boys. :0)
Please forgive, but claims about staged light poles takes the proverbial disinfo cake IMHO, but I am ‘trying’ to take your statements seriously during these debates . . . One of these days I will ask you ‘what’ hit the Pentagon to create all of this damage and ‘when’ (9:32 AM, 9:38 AM??) did that happen ‘and’ a coherent supported reply will be returned in my direction. Until that day, this side of these debates simply has no idea about what the Official CIT Conclusions say about these very important parts of this Pentagon Investigation.
Sure it does. Play the short video again and again, looking under the overpass to the left, and you will see the Jet blast by under the overpass, just before the explosion rises above the Pentagon. GL, Terral Edited by Terral, Jan 30 2008, 02:14 PM.
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jan 30 2008, 02:33 PM Post #9 |
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Terral, The FBI confiscated, sequestered, controlled, and released the video when they wanted to release it. They were not "forced" to do anything and this is proven by the fact that the other 80 or so videos have not been released despite the FOIA requests. The DoubleTree security had nothing to do with it. I am not surprised that you ignore the physical reality proven with pictures that it would be impossible to see the anything through the 3 overpasses with with concrete barriers that completely block the view. It is par for the course for you to march forward with your baseless claims without regard for evidence, facts, and proven physical reality. |
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| Terral | Jan 30 2008, 03:44 PM Post #10 |
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Hi Domenick with our friend Russell Pickering mentioned:
If any of the CIT boys are interested in debating my thesis, claims, evidence and conclusions, that would start on my lonely two threads here and here. This is ‘your’ thread where Domenick is defending ‘his’ Doubletree Security Video explanations against my rebuttals and counterproposals. Restating ‘my’ thesis, claims and evidence on your thread would be SPAM and these gracious Loose Change Mods have spent some time teaching me the difference. :0) That is the reason you see ‘links’ to my thesis papers and only small rebuttal posts against the explanations in ‘your’ threads. We can already see that I will receive little resistance from the CIT boys on my threads by the big fat goose eggs in the reply column. :0)
The damage from the 9:31:39 AM missile strike created only ‘inside-the-building fires’ and only a single smoke plume (top picture), which means ‘your’ witnesses were much closer to the approaching painted up A-3 than the E-Ring Wall at Column Line 14. This first explosion was reported as a ‘car bomb’ even before 9:30 from the ABC timestamps, but actually took place a 9:31:39 AM. At that time nobody realized they were looking at a missile attack . . .
What makes you believe a retrofitted Navy Jet cannot knock down a few light poles? :0) What has any Mach 12 missiles to do with your Opening Post or my rebuttal? Nothing. Please try to stay somewhere near your topic. The DoD retrofitted Jet looked NOTHING like the A-3 they started with at the beginning. They revamped the entire Jet to look like a much bigger AA Jetliner. That means the wings and fuselage and engines were all custom-fitted for this ‘inside-job’ operation.
And this is supposed to be a reply to something? :0) Have you ever experienced real ‘shock’ before from being almost decapitated by a flying light pole coming through your windshield? Start talking your junk against Lloyd in the day you can say, “Yes.” Alan Wallace was in the same state of shock (Page 26) and helped people out of Pentagon windows, to later say, Wallace Account:
Lloyd was being ‘grilled’ and ‘harassed’ and treated like a ‘criminal’ to the point that he clammed up and said “I do not know” to any question. That is exactly what happens when untrained so-called investigators begin sacrificing objectivity, by jumping headfirst into the movie with their so-called witnesses, to become one of the cartoon characters. The testimony from Russell’s interview says, http://www.pentagonresearch.com/018.html
What is Russell doing quoting from this article, when he is standing right there interviewing Lloyd? :0) Russell is running to ‘other sources’ (like you should be), because Lloyd is not being forthcoming with everything he knows. Russell then says,
What a minute! I thought Lloyd did not know how the pole was removed from the windshield? :0) But hey, every conversation I have with a CIT guy ends up with Lloyd out in the middle of Washington Avenue . . .
I what??? Please . . . I am not going to go through all of the evidence pointing to a 9:32 AM First Explosion. You are invited to offer your rebuttals anytime at your earliest convenience. Hopefully you have more evidence for a 9:38 AM first explosion or SOMETHING besides ridiculous “no evidence” statements. This is coming from a CIT guy professing that the FBI staged light pole evidence in front of all these Plane/Light Pole witnesses . . . :0) Be sure to send us all of your pictures of the FBI staging light pole evidence. :0)
No sir. We have Lloyd’s first-hand testimony corroborated by others. (James Keglovich + McGraw) Of course, the CIT boys have discredited ‘all’ the Pentagon Witnesses, even though none of you were anywhere near the Pentagon on 9/11. :0)
Did anyone capture an image of Domennick posting this nonsense to this thread? No. Okay then. According to your CIT Investigator Prowess, it never happened . . .
Do you think? :0) Heh . . . The Doubletree Video helps make the 9:32 AM First Explosion Case, and you ‘can’ see the Jet passing by the other side of the overpass, if you will use some of those investigator skills and open up your eyes too. :0)
And this is a reply? No sir. I did not get banned from the old LC Board like your CIT buddies and I did take the time to read most of the Pentagon work posted there. And no, I do not consider CIT nonsense valuable reading material, but we are being nice in this debate . . .
OIC. So every time someone points out the many flaws in your theory, then Domenick retreats to calling Lloyd a liar. :0) Guess what Domenick? Nobody cares about your fixation on Lloyd or Steven McGraw or any of the cotton picking Light Pole witnesses you guys work every day to discredit. This topic is about the Doubletree Security Video and how that fits into the larger picture of what really hit the Pentagon at 9:32 AM. Apparently none of you can even see the plane passing visibly under the overpass, just before the first explosion rocked the Pentagon. Now that you have made that fact perfectly clear, then none of you will likely be changing your testimony; even though I can see the thing clear as day. :0) Lot’s of people saw this plane AND all the light poles flying around, so obviously you have selective vision and memory when ‘your’ CIT explanations are involved. GL, Terral Edited by Terral, Jan 30 2008, 03:48 PM.
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| Terral | Jan 30 2008, 04:02 PM Post #11 |
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Hi Craig:
We disagree. The Judicial Watch story clearly says, http://judicialwatch.org/6068.shtml
Judicial Watch filed the lawsuit and the FBI responded by releasing the video footage. “The complaint was even amended on June 29, 2006 to include the Doubletree Hotel video.” And yet, Craig will sit there and proclaim:
Thank you for being on the other side of this debate. GL, Terral |
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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Jan 30 2008, 04:57 PM Post #12 |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jan 30 2008, 06:19 PM Post #13 |
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LMAO!!!! Terral : Russell Pickering "quit" the 9/11 Truth Movement having said he had "accomplished all of his goals"....... |
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| Terral | Jan 31 2008, 08:38 AM Post #14 |
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Hi Aldo, Domenick with Russell Pickering and Honway mentioned:
You guys really crack a 911Truther up. :0) Please forgive, but our friend Russell Pickering supported the Official Bushie Cover Story and simply had no evidence to support his case at all. When Honway was backed into the corner with all the 9:32 AM First Explosion evidence here (see post #2), then he decided to fold his tent up and move on the very same way. Everyone pushing inferior Pentagon explanations must either concede to the superior presentations and the ‘evidence,’ or find something else to do with their time. You can image that many flatlanders were put out of business by Christopher Columbus the very same way. :0) I still consider Russell’s work among the very best of any professing 911Truther, even if we continue to draw very different conclusions. You must admit that Russell is one of the best minds and best evidence gatherers of everyone involved in solving this case and a very nice guy to boot. I apologize for giving my CIT adversaries a sore head, but we are supposed to be calling them like we see them. :0) GL in the debates, Terral |
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| Craig Ranke CIT | Jan 31 2008, 10:29 AM Post #15 |
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Why does Terral keep quoting Judicial Watch in order to prove me right? In every quote is specifically says they obtained the video from the FBI who confiscated and controlled the video, not DoubleTree security. We do not trust data controlled and provided for by the government. Terral does. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jan 31 2008, 10:39 AM Post #16 |
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For the same reason he keeps mentioning Russell Pickering? |
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| Terral | Feb 1 2008, 09:16 AM Post #17 |
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Hi Craig and Domenick with Dylan and Russell Pickering mentioned:
The FBI ‘was’ forced to release these videos via a JW LAWSUIT, so please stop being foolish.
Obviously the LAWSUIT has nothing to do with Doubletree security, because the FBI confiscated the videos at the very beginning.
One of ‘your’ Cit guys started this thread using a smaller version of this video as his evidence. Why are you guys posting data provided by the government to start these debates, if CIT does not trust the data? :0) Anyone can play this larger version of the video over and over again, until you ‘can’ see the flash of the 9:31:39 AM Flyover Jet passing under the overpass, just before the explosion and smoke rise up from the Pentagon. Dylan started this thread on the old LC Board using this GIF image revealing the ‘shadow’ on camera #7 (lower right). Guess what? I looked at the thing for days without ever seeing any shadow. Eventually someone took the time to point the thing out to me AND I had to admit my previous oversight. Now that I ‘can’ see the 9:31:39 AM shadow (9:41:39 minus exactly 10 minutes), then I can see the thing in one single little glance. If you guys will be honest and look at the Doubletree video again and again, then I am confident that eventually you will see the 9:31:39 AM Flyover Jet too. Yes. I find this information very useful, because it ‘does’ fit with all the other 9:32 AM First Explosion Evidence I have been gathering for the past year or so. If you will remember, then I was the one who caught the time jump back to 9:32:43 AM from when the time reverts back near the end of the video, which just happens to match the earliest times of the stopped Pentagon Clocks and everything from Barbara Honegger’s Famous 9:32 AM First Explosion Paper ‘and’ the Official FAA Timeline.
I have much admiration for Russell Pickering and credit him with helping me to see the 911Truth in a much clearer Light, than from ANYTHING I have seen from the CIT boys. GL in the debates, Terral Edited by Terral, Feb 1 2008, 09:17 AM.
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