Flight 93 Phone Call Anomalies

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Flight 93 Phone Call Anomalies; explosion and white smoke from plane
Topic Started: Jan 28 2008, 09:43 PM (797 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio	Jan 28 2008, 09:43 PM Post #1
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Moussaoui Trial Evidence From the above evidence presented at the Moussaoui trial we learn the following information : Jeremy Glick's Phone Call At 9:37:41 lasts until 11:43:49am. Todd Beamer's Phone Call At 9:43:48 lasts until 10:49:29am. Which indicates a connection between the airphone (where the calls originated) remained active long past the crash time. The calls are shown as they would be billed. They are not the recipients but the originators. If Glick and Beamer were on the plane that is alleged to have crashed in Shanksville there is no way for their phone calls to last past the 10:03 'official' crash time. Every call is documented and where it originated from on the plane. Every call from every flight. Well every call but 1 that is. The call which no information is available for is the call made by Ed Felt at 9:58:00. This call to 911 placed Felt inside the planes bathroom. He makes no mention of any revolt or that the passengers had taken a vote to revolt. Unlike all other passengers he snuck into the bathroom and hid while others are alleged to have openly made phone calls. He is the only passenger that called 911. His call was taken by John Shaw and listened in on by his supervisor Glenn Cramer of West Moreland County 911. FBI immediately took the recording into their possession following finding out of its existence and both Cramer and Shaw have been gagged but only after Cramer is alleged to have told the NYTimes that Felt never mentioned any explosion or smoke. Then he was no longer allowed to speak with anyone else about the call. Taking Lee Purbaugh's account as truth that the plane he saw was flying right side up and had a grey belly (Clip #2) then it is most likely that these passengers were on 2 seperate flights. Pittsburgh Post Gazette Quote: Day of Terror: Outside tiny Shanksville, a fourth deadly stroke Wednesday, September 12, 2001 United Airlines Flight 93, a Boeing 757-200 en route from New Jersey to San Francisco, fell from the sky near Shanksville at 10:06 a.m., about two hours after it took off, leaving a trail of debris five miles long. The Washington Post reported that leaders of Congress -- including Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss., House Majority Whip Tom DeLay, R-Texas and House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo. -- were told at a briefing by the Capitol Police that the hijacked plane might have been bound for the Capitol or Camp David, the presidential retreat in Thurmont, Md., 85 miles southeast of the crash site, according to participants in the meeting. The participants discussed a possible shoot down of the aircraft, said Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind. Quote: The North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) issued a statement denying that United Flight 93 had been shot down by U.S. military aircraft. Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; *others said they heard up to three loud booms before* the jetliner went down. Quote: Authorities weren't ready yesterday to pronounce the crash a result of terrorism. But a telling detail came minutes before the plane went down when dispatchers at the Westmoreland County Emergency Operations Center intercepted a frantic cell phone call made to 911 by a passenger aboard the doomed flight. "We are being hijacked, we are being hijacked!" the man told dispatchers in a quivering voice during a conversation that lasted about one minute. "We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor. "[SIZE=7]We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believeD the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where.[/SIZE] "And then we lost contact with him." Quote: [SIZE=7]Agents seized the 911 dispatch tape from Westmoreland County as part of their investigation.[/SIZE] Quote: Murtha also said the Pentagon denied reports that the 757 was being shadowed by U.S. military aircraft. But he suggested that terrorists would have picked the 757 because it would have worked as a fuel-packed bomb. A 757-200 can carry up to 11,276 gallons of fuel. Quote: Dennis Fritz, the air traffic manager, got a call from controllers in Cleveland warning the Johnstown airport -- which has no radar of its own -- that a large aircraft was 20 miles south and had suddenly turned on a heading for Johnstown. "It was an aircraft doing some unusual maneuvers at a low level, which is unusual for an aircraft that size," Fritz said last night. "It happened so quickly." He said workers in his own tower scanned south, toward the horizon, with binoculars, but couldn't see any aircraft,** leading Fritz to believe that the plane was flying somewhere in the 2,800 foot high ridges in that part of the Allegheny front.
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look-up	Jan 30 2008, 12:14 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	I don't know about the switching planes theory, but it certainly makes some sense that the calls were not made from the planes, except for Ed Felt's call. That one call seems the most realistic. If terrorists were taking over a plane and really meant to kill every one of the passengers, would they let them call home to say goodbye? I don't know. I can't exactly prove the calls were faked, but we've shown that the technology exists to fake the calls, and the motive is certainly there, so anything is possible. However, if the evidence you presented above is being interpreted correctly, it seems that some of the calls lasted longer than they should have.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Jan 30 2008, 06:34 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	look-up Jan 30 2008, 12:14 PM I don't know about the switching planes theory, but it certainly makes some sense that the calls were not made from the planes, except for Ed Felt's call. That one call seems the most realistic. If terrorists were taking over a plane and really meant to kill every one of the passengers, would they let them call home to say goodbye? I don't know. I can't exactly prove the calls were faked, but we've shown that the technology exists to fake the calls, and the motive is certainly there, so anything is possible. However, if the evidence you presented above is being interpreted correctly, it seems that some of the calls lasted longer than they should have. That's the governments evidence. The JREF tried to say that the discrepancies with Beamer & Glick's calls is because that is the length the recipient stayed on the line so it was still connected and the recipients bill but that is not the case in regards to any of the phone calls. In order for those calls to last the length of time presented in court the plane had to be intact until at least 10:49 and until 11:43. The phone calls presented by the gov are the phone calls made from the plane, the location they were made, the person said to have made them, and the length of the calls. That is impossible from inside an airplane that has allegedly shattered into thousands of pieces and burrowed 20-40' deep into the ground. It's like calling someone then setting your phone on a bomb and expecting the call to still be connected after the bomb explodes. Ed Felt called 911 for help on 9/11. He is the only passenger to do that.
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look-up	Feb 7 2008, 02:38 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	why would they lie about what time the thing crashed though? just asking...
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Domenick DiMaggio	Feb 7 2008, 11:01 PM Post #5
Posts: 2,005 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	look-up Feb 7 2008, 02:38 PM why would they lie about what time the thing crashed though? just asking... there's 3 minutes they don't want to have to account for. an eyewitness flight path needs to be established for this flight. I could speculate lots of things but until there's some flight path established it's all baseless speculation. i'm not going to engage in that. but there are a couple of possibilities i can think of to want 3 minutes to vanish from the cvr & fdr
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