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Who is to Blame?; who do I point my finger at?
Topic Started: Sep 4 2008, 04:36 PM (610 Views)
drzaus	Sep 4 2008, 04:36 PM Post #1
Dr Zaius Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #816 Joined: 08/25/08	A friend of mine posed this question to me and I didnt know how to answer it. Who should we blame for 9/11? Is it George Bush or Dick Cheney? And if elected do you guys think Barack Obama will tell the truth? 31st M.E.U



Flippy	Sep 5 2008, 10:56 AM Post #2
Posts: 578 Group: Members Member #8 Joined: 01/12/08	drzaus Sep 4 2008, 04:36 PM A friend of mine posed this question to me and I didnt know how to answer it. Who should we blame for 9/11? Is it George Bush or Dick Cheney? And if elected do you guys think Barack Obama will tell the truth? 31st M.E.U Tell your friend that if you had the answers to that question you probably wouldn't be friends. We do not know who is responsible. What we do know is that there is way more to the story than 19 Saudi's. That is why we need a new investigation. Barrack will not admit the truth. Much less tell it.
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look-up	Sep 5 2008, 11:52 AM Post #3
Posts: 1,642 Group: Admins Member #63 Joined: 01/15/08	see fabled enemies, and then tell your friend to watch it. IMO, it points blame very nicely, and based on cold, hard facts which no one will even touch.
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drzaus	Sep 5 2008, 06:06 PM Post #4
Dr Zaius Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #816 Joined: 08/25/08	What is IMO. OK so if Barack wont tell either then who do we vote for an trust? 31st M.E.U



ShaDow	Sep 5 2008, 06:32 PM Post #5
Posts: 104 Group: Members Member #612 Joined: 05/27/08	Quote: And if elected do you guys think Barack Obama will tell the truth? Watch The 9/11 Chronicles: Part One, Truth Rising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yscpNIxjI Where the guy (can't remember name so sorry) Asks Barrack from 30CM away if he'll support a new investigation. He ignores.
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Grit1645	Sep 5 2008, 06:59 PM Post #6
Posts: 305 Group: BANNED! Member #797 Joined: 08/12/08	ShaDow Sep 5 2008, 06:32 PM Quote: And if elected do you guys think Barack Obama will tell the truth? Watch The 9/11 Chronicles: Part One, Truth Rising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yscpNIxjI Where the guy (can't remember name so sorry) Asks Barrack from 30CM away if he'll support a new investigation. He ignores. I'm really not seeing what would be achieved by a "new investigation" since the government cannot, by definition, independently investigate itself, and obviously people who have already determined the truth are not in need of a new "determination of the truth".
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Tim Riches	Sep 6 2008, 11:55 AM Post #7
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Miragememories	Sep 6 2008, 03:04 PM Post #8
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	Grit1645 "I'm really not seeing what would be achieved by a "new investigation" since the government cannot, by definition, independently investigate itself, and obviously people who have already determined the truth are not in need of a new "determination of the truth". What definition rules out the possibility of the government setting up such an investigation? Of course they don't want to, Republican or Democrat. The criminal events of 9/11 have to be examined and cross examined without visible bias or restriction. But if public pressure forces such an investigation, 'trusted' investigative members would also be fearful of doing a criminally inferior job, while under public scrutiny. Hopefully there are still a few public figures left that the public can trust? The government would have to hope the unpleasant questions would not lead to answers that undermined the 'national image' created by the official story. MM
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Grit1645	Sep 6 2008, 03:18 PM Post #9
Posts: 305 Group: BANNED! Member #797 Joined: 08/12/08	Grit1645 "I'm really not seeing what would be achieved by a "new investigation" since the government cannot, by definition, independently investigate itself, and obviously people who have already determined the truth are not in need of a new "determination of the truth". MM What definition rules out the possibility of the government setting up such an investigation? Of course they don't want to, Republican or Democrat. The criminal events of 9/11 have to be examined and cross examined without visible bias or restriction. But if public pressure forces such an investigation, 'trusted' investigative members would also be fearful of doing a criminally inferior job, while under public scrutiny. Hopefully there are still a few public figures left that the public can trust? The government would have to hope the unpleasant questions would not lead to answers that undermined the 'national image' created by the official story. It's like trying to do a lung transplant on yourself. Consider that the Popular Mechanics "debunking" is totally disregarded on the basis alone of the fact that one of the people on the staff is named Chertoff, despite there being no real indication or proof that he and Michael Chertoff even KNEW each other. let alone that Michael Chertoff could somehow order, threaten, coerce or whatever the whole 70+ people who worked on the piece to say only what HE wanted them to say. Do you honestly believe you could find enough people to do an "investigation" and have none of them related or connected in any way, shape, or form to anyone in the administration/government? Not realistic.
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Headspin	Sep 6 2008, 04:56 PM Post #10
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Grit1645 Sep 6 2008, 03:18 PM Consider that the Popular Mechanics "debunking" is totally disregarded on the basis alone of the fact that one of the people on the staff is named Chertoff, despite there being no real indication or proof that he and Michael Chertoff even KNEW each other no, this is a complete falsehood. Recall that Davin Coburn claimed on the Charles Goyet radio show that NIST had shown him a photograph of the south face of wtc7 which showed 25% of the building scooped out, but no one else was allowed to see the photo. With the NIST report on wtc7 out, everyone now knows what we always knew - Davin Coburn and popular mechanics are liars. The journalistic account by Popular Mechanics magazine "debunking" is disregarded because its claims and explanations are provably absurd.
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Miragememories	Sep 6 2008, 05:00 PM Post #11
Posts: 757 Group: Members Member #40 Joined: 01/15/08	Grit1645 "It's like trying to do a lung transplant on yourself." To me that is saying there are absolutely no people in public office that can be trusted to keep their self respect while leading, or participating in, a full, unrestricted investigation. Grit1645 Consider that the Popular Mechanics "debunking" is totally disregarded on the basis alone of the fact that one of the people on the staff is named Chertoff, despite there being no real indication or proof that he and Michael Chertoff even KNEW each other. let alone that Michael Chertoff could somehow order, threaten, coerce or whatever the whole 70+ people who worked on the piece to say only what HE wanted them to say." So you are saying that every debunking responding to all the points in the Popular Mechanics 9/11 piece, has to be "disregarded" if it includes an unsupported claim about Chertoff? Grit1645 "Do you honestly believe you could find enough people to do an "investigation" and have none of them related or connected in any way, shape, or form to anyone in the administration/government? Not realistic." You seem to be saying; "be a sheeple and take it because resistance is futile." ? You also seem to be accepting as being reasonable, the idea that it's "okay", that thousands of innocent people were murdered, and that their deaths effectively remain non-investigated. MM Edited by Miragememories, Sep 6 2008, 05:09 PM.
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Grit1645	Sep 6 2008, 07:45 PM Post #12
Posts: 305 Group: BANNED! Member #797 Joined: 08/12/08	Miragememories Sep 6 2008, 05:00 PM You seem to be saying; "be a sheeple and take it because resistance is futile." ? You also seem to be accepting as being reasonable, the idea that it's "okay", that thousands of innocent people were murdered, and that their deaths effectively remain non-investigated. MM I'm saying there is no way you are going to get what you claim you want, which is basically for the "official story" to be changed into the "alternate" story. I find it somewhat surprising that anyone would even think that to be feasible.
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Headspin	Sep 6 2008, 08:22 PM Post #13
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Grit1645 Sep 6 2008, 07:45 PM Miragememories Sep 6 2008, 05:00 PM You seem to be saying; "be a sheeple and take it because resistance is futile." ? You also seem to be accepting as being reasonable, the idea that it's "okay", that thousands of innocent people were murdered, and that their deaths effectively remain non-investigated. MM I'm saying there is no way you are going to get what you claim you want, which is basically for the "official story" to be changed into the "alternate" story. I find it somewhat surprising that anyone would even think that to be feasible. i'm sure like-minded people said the same about the gladio bombings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
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Grit1645	Sep 7 2008, 09:10 PM Post #14
Posts: 305 Group: BANNED! Member #797 Joined: 08/12/08	Headspin Sep 6 2008, 08:22 PM Grit1645 Sep 6 2008, 07:45 PM Miragememories Sep 6 2008, 05:00 PM You seem to be saying; "be a sheeple and take it because resistance is futile." ? You also seem to be accepting as being reasonable, the idea that it's "okay", that thousands of innocent people were murdered, and that their deaths effectively remain non-investigated. MM I'm saying there is no way you are going to get what you claim you want, which is basically for the "official story" to be changed into the "alternate" story. I find it somewhat surprising that anyone would even think that to be feasible. i'm sure like-minded people said the same about the gladio bombings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio You are looking at something with hundreds of people involved, all of whom you have determined to be lying, brainwashed, in on it, mistaken, or what have you. How do you then think you would turn their testimony or evidence or scientific findings around to the truth as something other than what they say it is?
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Headspin	Sep 8 2008, 05:54 AM Post #15
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Grit1645 Sep 7 2008, 09:10 PM Headspin Sep 6 2008, 08:22 PM Grit1645 Sep 6 2008, 07:45 PM Miragememories Sep 6 2008, 05:00 PM You seem to be saying; "be a sheeple and take it because resistance is futile." ? You also seem to be accepting as being reasonable, the idea that it's "okay", that thousands of innocent people were murdered, and that their deaths effectively remain non-investigated. MM I'm saying there is no way you are going to get what you claim you want, which is basically for the "official story" to be changed into the "alternate" story. I find it somewhat surprising that anyone would even think that to be feasible. i'm sure like-minded people said the same about the gladio bombings. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio You are looking at something with hundreds of people involved, all of whom you have determined to be lying, brainwashed, in on it, mistaken, or what have you. How do you then think you would turn their testimony or evidence or scientific findings around to the truth as something other than what they say it is? You assume that the testimonies and evidence wholey support the official conclusions, they do not. The official story conclusions can only be supported when the evidence and testimonies are selectively considered. In simple terms, the official story conclusions ignores a huge contradictory body of evidence.
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InCogNito	Dec 10 2008, 01:57 AM Post #16
Posts: 1 Group: Members Member #961 Joined: 12/09/08	It's the responsibility of the people to demand answers and accountability from the people they voted in office. It takes action! When there has been created an environment in which the common man finds adequate hopelessness, demoralization, and high stress in his daily life, it paralyzes and weakens his ability to have any choice to change what goes on around him. Survival is a full time job when your down. Most don't even know there is a choice in most cases... and will spread their fears and insecurities accordingly to the belief system in order to confirm it as reality...perceived as it is. Keeps the vote down. Keeps people subdued... Easier to control. Does this mean justice is impossible ? No ! But it certainly won't be easy. It will take a revolution of sorts, and people that will have to sacrifice themselves and dedicate lives to its accomplishment. Those opposed are connected, wealthy, and entrenched. They are relentless in their efforts to keep what they have and to acquire more. They are ruthless. It will take a deeper conviction and dedication to change it. Do you have what it takes ? Are you willing to die for your country.. for your countrymen ? It surely wouldn't change those you would oppose in their willingness to sacrifice you for what they believe in, either way. In the near future America will show us how strong she really is.... by her willingness to lay down and take some more, or for the people to finally stand and say, "We've had enough !". I personally feel debt and honor towards those who have already sacrificed their careers, reputations. and lives, already... just to try to educate the common people to this cause, to even make this site possible. Spread hope, possibilities, and encouragement... not your doom and gloom victimization psychology.. and ask yourself, how have I been programmed to think? Edited by InCogNito, Dec 10 2008, 02:00 AM.
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darion	Dec 11 2008, 12:33 PM Post #17
Posts: 37 Group: Members Member #29 Joined: 01/15/08	Grit1645 You are looking at something with hundreds of people involved, all of whom you have determined to be lying, brainwashed, in on it, mistaken, or what have you. How do you then think you would turn their testimony or evidence or scientific findings around to the truth as something other than what they say it is? Do you blame the people that sold you the TV when it breaks or the person who makes it? Do you blame the driver that shipped the TV to the store or the store manager? Do you blame any of these people that knew nothing about your TV breaking? To say there where hundreds of people involved it not true. If you told someone to ship a package to a home. Is it the postman’s problem if it held something bad it in that could hurt others? You are under the misconception that everyone that planted the bombs controlled the jets and helped out with the operation knew what the full story was. Maybe the people where just ordinary workers hired to do a job no questions asked. Have you ever thought of that? Then only 1 person above them giving the orders would be the wiser. Also even the person giving the orders may not know the full scope of the plans involved. For debunkers like yourself you are too shallow to think beyond "if there were hundreds of people involved". Truthfully I don’t know how many where. But I do know the less people know a secret the easier it is to hide it.
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