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Question for CIT regarding "Veronica"
Topic Started: Jan 27 2008, 07:58 AM (263 Views)
bileduct	Jan 27 2008, 07:58 AM Post #1
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	At 10:32 of Flight 77 The White Plane "Veronica" gives her impression of the plane's flight path, putting it almost parallel with 13th Street. Refer to the red line in the embedded image for an interpretation of the flight path as demonstrated by "Veronica." The yellow line is the flight path that you have constructed based on the accounts of "Jamal", "Mrs. Hubbard" and "Veronica.", which you display after "Veronica's" interview at 11:30, giving the impression that she has corroborated this flight path. Why have you clearly misrepresented "Veronica's" description of the plane's flight path? Furthermore, given the flight path described, would it not be fair to consider that "Veronica" is now in fact a... SOUTH SIDE WITNESS? Edited by bileduct, Jan 27 2008, 08:00 AM.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Jan 27 2008, 12:20 PM Post #2
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Veronica did not depict a flight path at all. She saw a white blur. If your "interpretation" of her "flight path" that she was not able to describe was reality the plane would never have hit the Pentagon and Jamal would have been completely lying. Is that really what you believe?
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bileduct	Jan 27 2008, 06:44 PM Post #3
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	Craig Ranke CIT Jan 27 2008, 12:20 PM Veronica did not depict a flight path at all. She saw a white blur. If your "interpretation" of her "flight path" that she was not able to describe was reality the plane would never have hit the Pentagon and Jamal would have been completely lying. Is that really what you believe? So what exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 then. Adjusting her hair?
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bileduct	Feb 13 2008, 08:36 PM Post #4
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	bileduct Jan 27 2008, 06:44 PM Craig Ranke CIT Jan 27 2008, 12:20 PM Veronica did not depict a flight path at all. She saw a white blur. If your "interpretation" of her "flight path" that she was not able to describe was reality the plane would never have hit the Pentagon and Jamal would have been completely lying. Is that really what you believe? So what exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 then. Adjusting her hair? Still no response to this? I ask again - What exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 in the White Plane video if she is not describing a flight path? Can you provide a straight answer to this simple question?
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bileduct	Feb 13 2008, 10:33 PM Post #5
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	bileduct Feb 13 2008, 08:36 PM bileduct Jan 27 2008, 06:44 PM Craig Ranke CIT Jan 27 2008, 12:20 PM Veronica did not depict a flight path at all. She saw a white blur. If your "interpretation" of her "flight path" that she was not able to describe was reality the plane would never have hit the Pentagon and Jamal would have been completely lying. Is that really what you believe? So what exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 then. Adjusting her hair? Still no response to this? I ask again - What exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 in the White Plane video if she is not describing a flight path? Can you provide a straight answer to this simple question? Hi Craig, I notice you're still avoiding this one. Got a straight answer for me yet?
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bileduct	Feb 14 2008, 02:02 AM Post #6
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	bileduct Feb 13 2008, 10:33 PM bileduct Feb 13 2008, 08:36 PM bileduct Jan 27 2008, 06:44 PM Craig Ranke CIT Jan 27 2008, 12:20 PM Veronica did not depict a flight path at all. She saw a white blur. If your "interpretation" of her "flight path" that she was not able to describe was reality the plane would never have hit the Pentagon and Jamal would have been completely lying. Is that really what you believe? So what exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 then. Adjusting her hair? Still no response to this? I ask again - What exactly is Veronica doing at 10:32 in the White Plane video if she is not describing a flight path? Can you provide a straight answer to this simple question? Hi Craig, I notice you're still avoiding this one. Got a straight answer for me yet? Craig?
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 14 2008, 02:06 AM Post #7
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	She is merely describing a plane passing in front of her. She saw a white blur. She does not contradict the EOP or NOC evidence in the least.
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bileduct	Feb 14 2008, 02:06 AM Post #8
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	Craig Ranke CIT Feb 14 2008, 02:06 AM She is merely describing a plane passing in front of her. She saw a white blur. She does not contradict the EOP or NOC evidence in the least. Really? What direction does she say the plane was headed?
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 14 2008, 02:08 AM Post #9
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Towards the Pentagon. She is clearly not very descriptive or able to be certain of an exact location or heading of the plane. It would not be realistic to expect her to be. She does not contradict the EOP or NOC evidence in the least. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Feb 14 2008, 02:09 AM.
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bileduct	Feb 14 2008, 02:11 AM Post #10
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	Craig Ranke CIT Feb 14 2008, 02:08 AM Towards the Pentagon. She is clearly not very descriptive or able to be certain of an exact location or heading of the plane. It would not be realistic to expect her to be. Towards the Pentagon, huh? Like say, in the direction of I395? Why didn't see she it headed north towards the Sheraton/Navy Annex? Craig Ranke CIT Feb 14 2008, 02:08 AM She does not contradict the EOP or NOC evidence in the least. Oh, I'm sorry but she most certainly does. Veronica's account breaks the link between Jamal and Edward. Veronica places the plane headed towards I395 and your theory REQUIRES it to be headed north towards the Navy Annex at this point. Has Veronica now given you an unreliable witness account? Edited by bileduct, Feb 14 2008, 02:14 AM.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 14 2008, 02:22 AM Post #11
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	The official flight path heads towards the Navy Annex too! Not even the official flight path goes straight east or directly over 395 at all and both flight paths could be construed as headed towards 395 by someone who caught a glimpse. What is your point? The official story, noc witnesses, and Jamal are all wrong but your literal interpretation of Veronica's hazy account is reality?
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bileduct	Feb 14 2008, 03:18 AM Post #12
Posts: 152 Group: BANNED! Member #113 Joined: 01/17/08	Craig Ranke CIT Feb 14 2008, 02:22 AM The official flight path heads towards the Navy Annex too! Not even the official flight path goes straight east or directly over 395 at all and both flight paths could be construed as headed towards 395 by someone who caught a glimpse. What is your point? The official story, noc witnesses, and Jamal are all wrong but your literal interpretation of Veronica's hazy account is reality? I never claimed that Veronica's account was reality, Craig. I have already explained to you multiple times what I am doing, yet you continue to feign ignorance. You selectively quote your witnesses, you cherry pick the pieces of their accounts that fit your story and you choose to ignore the pieces that don't, you misrepresent and distort their statements. I am simply corroborating what your witnesses said with what you said they said. You have produced an imaginary flight path from Jamal to Edward Paik despite the fact that it is not in the least bit supported by the three witnesses between. That is fraudulent and dishonest. And you're trying to sell your lies for $15 a pop. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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Craig Ranke CIT	Feb 14 2008, 05:30 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	bileduct Feb 14 2008, 03:18 AM I am simply corroborating what your witnesses said with what you said they said. You have produced an imaginary flight path from Jamal to Edward Paik despite the fact that it is not in the least bit supported by the three witnesses between. That is fraudulent and dishonest. And you're trying to sell your lies for $15 a pop. You should be ashamed of yourself. No YOU are being deceptive by suggesting that Veronica's hazy account of a white blur is sufficient to indicate a specific flight path or exact location. It is a FACT that Jamal and Edward's POV's make them infinitely better witnesses to the location and heading. It is a FACT that some witnesses are better witnesses than others. It does not make us dishonest to make this determination as investigators. If you put a fraction of the credence to the noc witnesses as you are applying to Veronica's very hazy and comparatively irrelevant account you would be forced to join us in the fight for 9/11 truth. But you are not concerned with the entire body of evidence or the facts. You can only hope to cast doubt with these baseless personal attacks. Your accusations have been reported.
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