Reinforcing the ACTUAL C-130 flight path

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Reinforcing the ACTUAL C-130 flight path; ...and DC flight path of attack jet
Topic Started: Aug 29 2008, 11:03 AM (1,168 Views)
Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 28 2009, 11:00 PM Post #26
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	It is highly unlikely. Let's not forget he was heading to MN which would have been north and west, not south and west. Robert Balsamo: Quote: The CS1 was not assigned as pointed out... and it is highly unlikely anything similar was assigned due to morning traffic into DCA, route of flight to first intersection... .... the statements made by O'Brien such as "South side of the mall". and the ANC witness statements. If O'Brien were on CS1, he would have most likely said "We crossed south of Reagan National", not "South Side of the mall". So far all we have as a rebuttal to the above is RADES data controlled by the "suspect" provided through a "back door" FOIA which was initially denied to a person known for his extreme bias and spin for the govt story, an ATC strip clearance which conflicts with the Verbal Clearance (No "Within 3 DME" on the ATC Strip), all obtained and published by Farmer who is known for serious errors, (calculating wrong vectors, processing Radar files which differ from the raw radar file.. etc), and an anonymous internet junkie who is obsessed with us daily, who still hasnt provided an FOIA Cover letter, and who also refused to confront Paik when he claims got his car fix at Paiks shop. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jul 28 2009, 11:01 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 04:32 PM Post #27
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Rob Balsamo, Pilots for 9/11 Truth: (Not edited for typos) Quote: You can quote this along with the picture if you like... :-) They are trying to make their argument stronger for Gofer06 on CS1 with Word31 and Venus22. They are attempting (albeit poorly) to tell the audience "See, looky here! Andrews wuz issuing CS1 to ALL the aircraft all morning!"... Well... no.. it doesnt work like that.. It is more likely for Word31 and Venus22 to be issued CS1 (or similar) since CS1 (or similar) is the best routing to their first fix... CS1 (or similar) is NOT the best routing for Gofer06... Morningside One is the best routing.. (actually, they didnt assign CS1 to ANY aircraft at all... another lie from the GL's.. To assign a departure, the actual words of the departure need to be spoken and on the ATC Strip. Keep in mind, ATC reads the clearance off the strip, where did they get the "Within 3 DME" if its not on the strip?) The diagram doesnt validate the data, all it does is show that it makes sense for CS1 (or similar) assignment for Word31 and Venus22, it does not make sense for Gofer06. Which makes the data obtained by these anonymous GL's invalid in itself... More from Rob Balsamo, co-founder Pilots for 9/11 Truth Quote: Boone is arguing that since Word31 and Venus22 were issued the CS1, that it is the same reason Gofer06 was issued CS1. But, as you can see, Word31 and Venus22 first fix for route of flgiht is south and west.... thats why they were issued CS1 (well... they werent even issued CS1 either, they were just issued heading and DME which happens to be the same as CS1). While Gofer06 ffirst fix for route of flight is NORTH and West... AND east of P-56 (not south of P-56 as seen for the other aircraft routes), making it that more unlikely to issue CS1 or anything similar to Gofer06. In other words, when ground control assigns a departure, they usually assign something to get you to your first fix the most direct way... CS1 makes sense for Word31 and Venus22 as their first fix was west and south, CS1 does not make sense for Gofer06 as his direct path to first fix is east of P-56 and his general routh of flight was North to first fix. We're making a point here... Again... Boone is trying to make his argument stronger for Gofer06 on CS1 with Word31 and Venus22. He is trying to tell the audience "see, they were issuing CS1 to ALL the aircraft all morning"... Well... no.. it doesnt work like that.. It is more likely for Word31 and Venus22 to be issued CS1 since CS1 is the best routing to their first fix... CS1 is NOT the best routing for Gofer06... Morningside One is the best routing... The picture doesnt validate the data, all it does is show that it make sense for CS1 assignment for Word31 and Venus22, it does not make sense for Gofer06. Which makes the data invalid in itself... In other words, they could very well be putting out data which is partially correct, to strengthen the fabricated Gofer06 data...which strengthens the official flight path of the attack jet which strengthens their case against us. Remember, all this data was released in a flood along with an attack team dispatched on us we believe because of us and our north side/flyaway evidence and the research on the actual flight path of the C130 and the attack flight path. Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jul 31 2009, 12:27 AM.
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Boonedoggled	Jul 30 2009, 08:56 PM Post #28
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Aldo Because if I remember correctly and I do, I remember seeing northern departures from your shots but you claimed they were from a different day than your C-130 footage. I asked you for the footage showing the departing planes from the same day you filmed the C-130 but then you just slithered away. Actually, you do not remember correctly. The only footage I have of aircraft at DCA was shot on the 11th when traffic was landing to the south. I shot the video of the C-130 on the 10th when DCA was using northern operations. I'll check my pictures to see if I have anything from the 10th. I'm certain that you would be willing to change your mind if I can prove that aircraft were departing to the north on the 10th, right?
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Boonedoggled	Jul 30 2009, 09:40 PM Post #29
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Quote: The CS1 was not assigned as pointed out... and it is highly unlikely anything similar was assigned due to morning traffic into DCA, route of flight to first intersection... Sweet Jeebers, I can't believe you guys are arguing that the departure route flown by GOFER 06 was not CS1 because Clearance Delivery did not actually say the words CAMP SPRINGS ONE. BTW, GOFER 06 was given departure clearance before the ground stop was implemented. Same goes for WORD 31 AND VENUS 22, obviously. You can hear it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNrjjd-KUvE
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 09:55 PM Post #30
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Jul 28 2009, 08:23 PM Boonedoggled Jul 28 2009, 02:15 PM Aldo, if an aircraft departed from Andrews using CS1, which side of the mall would it pass? Boone, if a C-130 pilot said his flight path "took him by the south side of the mall", would he be north or south of Reagan National airport?
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 10:30 PM Post #31
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Watch it again Boone, "which took us by the south side of the mall"..."as he flew over Central Washington".
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Boonedoggled	Jul 30 2009, 10:30 PM Post #32
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Quote: Well... no.. it doesnt work like that.. It is more likely for Word31 and Venus22 to be issued CS1 (or similar) since CS1 (or similar) is the best routing to their first fix... CS1 (or similar) is NOT the best routing for Gofer06... Morningside One is the best routing.. Actually, it does work like that. Or At least it did in 2008: Source Note that aircraft with the first waypoint of JERES is assigned the CS1 departure route (or the departure procedure that cannot be named). JERES is 15 miles to the northeast of BUFFR. Morningside One would also be the best routing for JERES, but it's not. Back to the point: GOFER 06 turned to a heading of 270° within three DME of ADW.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 10:36 PM Post #33
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Boone why have you ignored the numerous requests to see the copy of the FOIA cover letter for your FOIA request?
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 10:39 PM Post #34
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Jul 30 2009, 10:30 PM Actually, it does work like that. Or At least it did in 2008: Good Boone.... now show us procedures for pre-9/11... you know.. before they started to establish procedures to keep aircraft away from P-56. 2008 is not 9/11/2001 Boone...
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 11:08 PM Post #35
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: BTW, GOFER 06 was given departure clearance before the ground stop was implemented." - Boone... Yeah.. .that doesnt mean shit Boone. If you were a pilot, you'd know that. The fact remains Gofer06 departed AFTER the ground stop according to the State Dept and (most likely) fabricated NOTAM source by a book you have to buy (Lynn Spencer) Boone.. how come you dont go to P4T forum anymore. .you arent banned. You cant answer their questions and dont want more hard questions? Boone.. why dont you bring this shit to P4T forum? Boone, when are you going to post your FOIA Cover letter with contact info as P4T has done? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jul 30 2009, 11:16 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 30 2009, 11:53 PM Post #36
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Jul 30 2009, 08:56 PM I shot the video of the C-130 on the 10th when DCA was using northern operations. I'll check my pictures to see if I have anything from the 10th. Of course photos. No Boone, just video will do thanks.U should have footage while u are waiting for the C 130 to approach. Please show us that. And no it won't change anything. I just want to see it.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 31 2009, 12:13 AM Post #37
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	I want to make this simple for everyone to understand so you can understand what it is "Boone" is trying to do... The flight path to first fix is east of P-56 this is why Morningside One makes more sense than Camp Springs One for Gofer06.... However, obviously he turned left 270 (TL270) at some point south of P-56 or "which took him by the south side of the mall"... the question is WHEN did he turn and why.... The Boone/Farmer/Jrf "team" claim is due to Camp Springs One assignment... wrong... Camp Springs One was not assigned even in their audio tapes or ATC Strip... then they say.. "well TL270 within 3 DME is the same thing!" ... but the "within 3 DME" part is not in the ATC Strip!!!* Keep in mind... all the clearances that support the Boone/Farmer/Jrf "team" are either written in pencil on the strip... (TL270-which still also supports Morningside One [or similar] ), or published by them in audio format which anyone can fabricate.... especially without an FOIA Cover letter. Why does Boone ignore the requests to post the FOIA Cover Letter? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT*, Jul 31 2009, 12:36 AM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 31 2009, 01:26 PM Post #38
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Aldo Marquis CIT Jul 30 2009, 10:30 PM Watch it again Boone, "which took us by the south side of the mall"..."as he flew over Central Washington". I mean the real kicker is O'Brien is the one who started this whole thing. He states it first himself: "which took us by the south side of the mall" He told Rob in an e-mail: "Our first sighting of the AA flight was just after we had gone by the mall westbound [...] I have not seen the BBC show but we were past the mall when we spotted the AA flight for the first time." Never once does he mention passing Reagan National. Why would he talk about a flight path "which took us by" the south side of the mall? Because it took them by the south side of the mall. The south side of the mall. His sighting Not over Maryland, not by Reagan National. By the south side of the mall. Lets not forget all our witnesses including now Erik Dihle who all have the C-130 approaching from the NW of ANC. This is EXACTLY what I've been promoting based on his flight path "by the south side of the mall" headed west. http://www.thepentacon.com/ErikDihle.WMA Quote: ERIK DIHLE (explaining where the second plane came from): "I would say somewhere between west by northwest." CRAIG RANKE : "Sure, but definitely not from the south?" ERIK DIHLE : "Oh no... not from the south. No way. Nope. We--- unless somebody telling you [inaud] that's something I didn't-- didn't witness. This plane definitely came from the.. absolutely positively it came from the west or northwest." And of course lets not forget Steve Chaconas (and passengers) who saw the attack jet, what he thought was a commercial airliner, on the DC flight path crossing from the east side of the river to the west side. He did not see the C-130. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5D2K19Y-aI
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22205	Jul 31 2009, 02:18 PM Post #39
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	boone870 I see that the argument has changed directions. Now, if the words Camp Springs One are not heard in the recording or written on the flight strip, there was a different departure issued which coincidentally matches CS1 perfectly. no boone, its u who's always trying to make it about this departure route, so rob went out of his way (im sure) to address your bullshit (moved goalposts). we know what the witnesses saw, and thats what its about, regardless of your denials. i really have to wonder, how can a guy be as competent as boone, -able to decipher all this confusing ass atc stuff, yet be so dense as to deny the obvious? boone870 What a sad, weak attempt to spin reality... pathetic. really? you wanna use the "p" word? which is more real? people reading radar screens and talkin about an event/path which they think or perceive to be real? or multiple people - WHO ACTUALLY SAW THE PLANE - corroborating it's real path? boone continuously pushes his c130 path in an effort to defend the RADES data, using tons of minutae to complicate the matter, but has not once answered for the path of the c130 as witnessed by at least 4 people, a path which is in direct contradiction of the RADES data. so what do you have to say boone? were those people hallucinating? are they lying? you've got "data", but it means nothing if multiple people saw something that isNt in that data. so how do you reconcile that boone? you were here in arlington, but instead of gathering (confirming) facts we already obtained, you got a check engine light fixed. if only your head had such a light, i would fix it for you. but it dont... so keep playing dumb, or - answer for what the witnesses saw. we have witnesses on videotape and on location, your buddy "patch" has audio recordings to weave his lies/spin into. so who's pathetic boone? you mr.anonymous and your one-eyed operative buddy, devoted to obfuscation and lies, thats whoo. not once can you address or debunk reality, as it was really witnessed by real people at the actual place in question. everytime it comes up, "hey boone - what about the anc witnesses and where they saw the c130 arrive and leave from?" he either disappears without comment, or - he runs and grabs some obscure audio where people are reading dozens of blips. lol, ur freakin funny dude. which is more real? blips (and confusion thanx to a drill) or a plane flying less than 100 feet overhead? hehheh. aybabtu



Boonedoggled	Jul 31 2009, 05:38 PM Post #40
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	Aldo Yeah.. .that doesnt mean shit Boone. If you were a pilot, you'd know that. The fact remains Gofer06 departed AFTER the ground stop according to the State Dept and (most likely) fabricated NOTAM source by a book you have to buy (Lynn Spencer) The NOTAM's I used came from THE 911 WORKING GROUP of Bloomington. Here's the link to the PDF. Page 70. Quote: Boone.. how come you dont go to P4T forum anymore. .you arent banned. You cant answer their questions and dont want more hard questions? Boone.. why dont you bring this shit to P4T forum? You know the answer to those questions. Painter and Rob threatened me with suspension if I didn't address the off-topic questions. (Yes, Aldo, they were off-topic. Unless the ANC witnesses watched the C-130 approach from Andrews.) I'm not afraid of the "hard" questions. If I was, I wouldn't have signed up in the first place. If you must know, I actually enjoyed the back-and-forth with dMole and tn. Quote: Boone, when are you going to post your FOIA Cover letter with contact info as P4T has done? Soon. Edited by Boonedoggled, Jul 31 2009, 05:45 PM.
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Aldo Marquis CIT	Jul 31 2009, 05:42 PM Post #41
Posts: 1,647 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: (Yes, Aldo, they were off-topic. Unless the ANC witnesses watched the C-130 approach from Andrews.) No they are on topic. They saw THE C-130 and they saw it in a flight path that can ONLY work with the south of the mall flight path. Quote: Quote: Boone, when are you going to post your FOIA Cover letter with contact info as P4T has done? Soon. Soon you'll produce it or soon you'll have a doctored for everyone to see? LOL Even that won't change the evidence, Boone. You'll still be peddling manipulated CYA material from the perps themselves.
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Boonedoggled	Jul 31 2009, 08:02 PM Post #42
Posts: 228 Group: Members Member #51 Joined: 01/15/08	FINALLY... CONSENSUS!!! Aldo However, obviously he turned left 270 (TL270) at some point south of P-56 or "which took him by the south side of the mall"... the question is WHEN did he turn and why.... P4T ATC coremember's analysis of flight progress strip Expect RWY 1 Left for Departure. After Departure, Turn Left Heading Two Seven Zero for Radar Vectors to BUFFR J518 "India Hotel Delta," then as filed. Rob Balsamo not contesting a fellow PFT member: Rob Balsamo Finally, we know the turn was delayed due to repeated requests for the turn from ATC after departure. Source Now the question is when did GOFER 06 turn left? Answer (according to the audio): 1 minute and 33 seconds after acknowledging his takeoff clearance. Rough transcript- ADW (1:45): GOFER 06, helicopter traffic crossing the centerline. Will continue westbound, he'll be south of your turn, wind 3-5-0 at 8. Runway one left, clear for takeoff. GOFER 06 (1:56): Clear for takeoff, GOFER 06. ADW (3:03): TYSON boundary, GOFER 06, MX. ADW (3:17): GOFER 06 turn left contact Washington Departure. ADW (3:25): GOFER 06 turn left contact Washington Departure. GOFER 06 (3:29): (inaudible) Washington Departure, GOFER 06. How far could a C-130 travel, from a dead stop, in 93 seconds? It is a C-130 after all, not a Saturn V.
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