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The dead, the undead and the living dead; was the identities really confused?
Topic Started: Aug 29 2008, 06:43 AM (1,072 Views)
caribou	Aug 29 2008, 06:43 AM Post #1
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #491 Joined: 04/12/08	Now, there´s been a lot off claims and counterclaims about some of the hijackers being alive and well or not. Some people claim that that this story originated in a confusion of identity and now the problem has been solved and everybodys happy! Thats not what i have heard, they saw the photographs of themselves and their personal security number. So, my question is: These people who claim to have been wrongfully accused of being terrorists and...uh....dead... ...are they sticking with their story? Has anyone interviewed them after the initial story broke?
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Headspin	Aug 29 2008, 09:28 AM Post #2
Posts: 876 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	yes, daily telegraph, guardian, bbc, saudi and morrocan press, some even went direct to the FBI I believe, unfortunately this story has been obfuscated to oblivion. The FBI obtained the passenger manifests even before flight 93 allegedly crashed in shankesville. from the manifests they released the names of 19 arab hijacker suspects. Later the FBI release a different list with 4 different names for the flight 11 hijackers (Atta'a name stayed but 4 others changed). In order to switch 4 named suspects from the manifests, there should have been at least 9 arab names on the manifest - but there were only 5 (maybe 6). So it appears the FBI used arab names that were not on the manifests (!). so if these names were not on the manifests how did the FBI know of them so early on? any argument of stolen identities does not work, because if they used false IDs, there is no way of knowing exactly who they were, never mind whether or not they were even arabs. for a clear account read this: Jay Kolar - Hidden History of 9/11 http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-History-9-11-Paul-Zarembka/dp/158322825X/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1219974620&sr=8-1
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caribou	Aug 29 2008, 01:40 PM Post #3
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #491 Joined: 04/12/08	i´d wish someone could track them down and interview them again, film them and put it up on youtube Kind of wonder why it hasn´t been done. Any links to the original news stories? I´ll do some research myself meanwhile...
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caribou	Aug 29 2008, 01:54 PM Post #4
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #491 Joined: 04/12/08	A rebuttal from BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2006/10/911_conspiracy_theory_1.html A five-year-old story from our archive has been the subject of some recent editorial discussion here. The story, written in the immediate aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, was about confusion at the time surrounding the names and identities of some of the hijackers. This confusion was widely reported and was also acknowledged by the FBI. The story has been cited ever since by some as evidence that the 9/11 attacks were part of a US government conspiracy. We later reported on the list of hijackers, thereby superseding the earlier report. In the intervening years we have also reported in detail on the investigation into the attacks, the 9/11 commission and its report. We’ve carried the full report, executive summary and main findings and, as part of the recent fifth anniversary coverage, a detailed guide to what’s known about what happened on the day. But conspiracy theories have persisted. The confusion over names and identities we reported back in 2001 may have arisen because these were common Arabic and Islamic names. In an effort to make this clearer, we have made one small change to the original story. Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time. We recently asked the FBI for a statement, and this is, as things stand, the closest thing we have to a definitive view: The FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Also, the 9/11 investigation was thoroughly reviewed by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States and the House and Senate Joint Inquiry. Neither of these reviews ever raised the issue of doubt about the identity of the nineteen hijackers.
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caribou	Aug 29 2008, 01:59 PM Post #5
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #491 Joined: 04/12/08	Ponder this statement "In an effort to make this clearer, we have made one small change to the original story. Under the FBI picture of Waleed al Shehri we have added the words "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity. The rest of the story remains as it was in the archive as a record of the situation at the time"
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Headspin	Aug 29 2008, 02:43 PM Post #6
Posts: 876 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	"A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity" "FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks" how does "confusion" change to "positive identification" if the guy says "i'm alive".
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Headspin	Aug 29 2008, 02:45 PM Post #7
Posts: 876 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	caribou Aug 29 2008, 01:40 PM i´d wish someone could track them down and interview them again, film them and put it up on youtube Kind of wonder why it hasn´t been done. Any links to the original news stories? I´ll do some research myself meanwhile... kevin barrett went to morroco to do just that. don't recall the details, but "officials" refused access to the alive suspects.
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caribou	Aug 30 2008, 02:48 PM Post #8
Posts: 13 Group: Members Member #491 Joined: 04/12/08	Headspin Aug 29 2008, 02:43 PM "A man called Waleed Al Shehri..." to make it as clear as possible that there was confusion over the identity" "FBI is confident that it has positively identified the nineteen hijackers responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attacks" how does "confusion" change to "positive identification" if the guy says "i'm alive". Yeah, and this guy is still on the list, they seem to have kept some of the names and changed the pictures, but they seem to be sticking to this guy as a hijacker, although he claims to be alive,although he could hardly have "confused" himself with someone else, when his picture could be seen on TV all over the world. Edited by caribou, Aug 30 2008, 02:54 PM.
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A.L.Ex - N.E.T.A	Sep 19 2008, 09:51 AM Post #9
Posts: 45 Group: Members Member #854 Joined: 09/16/08	Remember the 3 Saudi Royals that died after it came out they knew about 9/11 BEFORE it happened? No doubt that these 6 living "hijackers" are now dead. Good thing their interviews with the Daily Telegraph still exist. [Funny how no "martardom" video has ever been released of any of these 19[/b] Edited by A.L.Ex - N.E.T.A, Sep 19 2008, 09:52 AM.
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jonlukasc	Nov 10 2008, 06:40 AM Post #10
Posts: 2 Group: Members Member #929 Joined: 11/10/08	wow so the BBC was knowingly behind this vast conspiracy they gave themselves away by reporting early building 7's collapse and they just oops reported that the hijackers are still alive. does that really make sense. just like ABC reporting northwoods in 2000 but they are behind this great cover up.
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JustAdream	Mar 10 2009, 07:49 PM Post #11
Posts: 24 Group: BANNED! Member #1,084 Joined: 03/10/09	jonlukasc Nov 10 2008, 06:40 AM wow so the BBC was knowingly behind this vast conspiracy they gave themselves away by reporting early building 7's collapse and they just oops reported that the hijackers are still alive. does that really make sense. just like ABC reporting northwoods in 2000 but they are behind this great cover up. Not 100% of everybody who worked for BBC was in on it of course not. You make absurd speculative assumptions. Saying "this doesn't make sense" is not a rebuttal, sorry. The evidence speaks for itself. BBC reported the collapse of a steel skyscraper 25 minutes ahead of time. How did they know? Saying "they wouldn't have screwed up that bad if they were in on it" is total nonsense, you are avoiding the fact that THEY DID SCREW UP THAT BAD.
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BoneZ	Mar 11 2009, 04:33 PM Post #12
Posts: 562 Group: Members Member #269 Joined: 02/03/08	jonlukasc Nov 10 2008, 06:40 AM just like ABC reporting northwoods in 2000 but they are behind this great cover up. If I recall, the only reason why "Operation Northwoods" was made public was due to an FOIA in the investigation of JFK's assassination.
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JFK	Mar 11 2009, 05:12 PM Post #13
Posts: 3,468 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	BoneZ Mar 11 2009, 04:33 PM jonlukasc Nov 10 2008, 06:40 AM just like ABC reporting northwoods in 2000 but they are behind this great cover up. If I recall, the only reason why "Operation Northwoods" was made public was due to an FOIA in the investigation of JFK's assassination. Very good Bonez... Quote: To access the Operation Northwoods documents in the National Archives, first go to the Archival Research Catalog (ARC) on the website of NARA (U.S. National Archives and Records Administration) at: http://www.archives.gov/research_room/arc/index.html Click on the yellow “Search” button in the top of the left column there. Then, in the top box of the page that appears, type “Northwoods” and click on the “Search” button to the right of the box. You will see the following item: Title: Northwoods, U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba, 1962 ARC Identifier: 305036 Click on the “Digital Copy Available” icon of this item. You will then see the first ten pages of 181 pages available on Operation Northwoods. This link expires after 30 minutes (along with the URLs of individual Operation Northwoods pages), which is why we cannot provide a direct link for you. For the most pertinent documents regarding Operation Northwoods, find the “Digital copy” in the upper center part of this webpage. Click on 10, then 13 and scroll down to 129. The most revealing 15 pages of Operations Northwoods documents begin on page 129 and continue to 143. To view any of these pages, simple click on the thumbnail image of the page you would like to view. You will find the most shocking information on pages 138 to 141.
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topjars	Apr 21 2009, 02:17 AM Post #14
Posts: 30 Group: Members Member #722 Joined: 07/08/08	I came across this site and thought Id link it here. http://www.welfarestate.com/911/
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m0n3yman	Apr 21 2009, 05:32 PM Post #15
Posts: 108 Group: Members Member #900 Joined: 10/24/08	Sorry to somewhat change the topic, but is there any definitive proof of the 5 or so hijackers that supposedly resided on USAF bases and trained by the military?
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Reconmarine	May 27 2009, 03:51 PM Post #16
Posts: 3 Group: Members Member #1,191 Joined: 05/27/09	It blows my mind to see so many already debunked theories still floating around. 1) None of the 19 high jackers are alive, but some people with the same names are. 2) Since ID's were stolen and used, initial confusion made it appear people accused of high jacking were alive. Same names, different faces. 3) There is a martyr video that the US gov took down off the internet with all 19 high jackers (actually 20 in the video). There are still screen shots floating around. These are the same people seen going through airport security on 9/11, the same people ID'd by passengers in the airport and who rode next to them on previous flights, the ones seen at strip clubs, the ones pulled over for speeding and at ATM machines. 4) The US military/Gov has or had a program that trained Saudi military and airline pilots. Given the fact that some of the high jackers had commercial pilots licenses, this makes sense. It is not the same as the US military training the high jackers to do what they did.
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Reconmarine	May 27 2009, 03:52 PM Post #17
Posts: 3 Group: Members Member #1,191 Joined: 05/27/09	Reality is a tough pill to swallow when you realize you've been wasting your life with these theories... Except the Loose Change kids who are making money... Edited by Reconmarine, May 27 2009, 03:55 PM.
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JFK	May 27 2009, 04:06 PM Post #18
Posts: 3,468 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Reconmarine May 27 2009, 03:52 PM Reality is a tough pill to swallow when you realize you've been wasting your life with these theories... Except the Loose Change kids who are making money... I suggest you click the movies tab and watch those movies for free. Your posting privileges are hereby suspended. Edit to add - Since I have allowed you to continue viewing this board I suggest you check out this thread - http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/726315/1/ Edited by JFK, May 27 2009, 04:16 PM.
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ULTIMA1	May 27 2009, 05:16 PM Post #19
Posts: 61 Group: Members Member #1,188 Joined: 05/26/09	According to trackingthethreat.com Majed Moqed a hijacker on Flight 77 is still alive. http://www.trackingthethreat.com/zsearch/ent.jsp?entId=1078 Majed Moqed Entity Type: Person Entity Status: Alive Date Created: 22 Sep 2003 Date Modified: 06 Jun 2007 Edited by ULTIMA1, May 27 2009, 05:17 PM.
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JFK	May 27 2009, 06:03 PM Post #20
Posts: 3,468 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	ULTIMA1 May 27 2009, 05:16 PM According to trackingthethreat.com Majed Moqed a hijacker on Flight 77 is still alive. http://www.trackingthethreat.com/zsearch/ent.jsp?entId=1078 That is a facinating website Ultima1... There is a page there Kinda like a "theyrule" page for "al-qaeda". http://www.trackingthethreat.com/flash/nav.jsp Thanks for posting.
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ULTIMA1	May 28 2009, 03:42 PM Post #21
Posts: 61 Group: Members Member #1,188 Joined: 05/26/09	JFK May 27 2009, 06:03 PM ULTIMA1 May 27 2009, 05:16 PM According to trackingthethreat.com Majed Moqed a hijacker on Flight 77 is still alive. http://www.trackingthethreat.com/zsearch/ent.jsp?entId=1078 That is a facinating website Ultima1... There is a page there Kinda like a "theyrule" page for "al-qaeda". http://www.trackingthethreat.com/flash/nav.jsp Thanks for posting. Thanks, I have more sites that show terrorist events in the world.
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