Object from the West vs. Object from the East

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Object from the West vs. Object from the East
Topic Started: Aug 21 2008, 03:05 AM (443 Views)
Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 21 2008, 03:05 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Quote: Several local people believe they hear a missile overhead just before Flight 93 goes down. Barry Lichty, a US Navy veteran and mayor of Indian Lake Borough (just to the east of where Flight 93 crashes), is watching television with his wife. He says he hears “a loud roar above the house that sounded like a missile.… Shortly thereafter, we heard an explosion and a tremor. My first reaction, as a former utility employee, was that maybe someone shot a missile into the substation.” He says Flight 93 “did not come over my house. I don’t know what we heard" - Kashurba, 2002, pp. 158-159 Also in Loose Change Final Cut i believe Barry discusses this. Without posting his address I will tell you Barry lives in Friedens, PA. West of the crash site. Quote: Joe Wilt, who lives a quarter-mile from the crash site, hears a “whistling like a missile, then a loud boom.” He says, “The first thing I thought it was, was a missile.” - Boston Globe, 9/12/2001; Washington Post, 9/12/2001 Again without disclosing full addresses Joe lives west of the crash site in Stoystown, PA. 1.8 miles driving from the crash site but more like less than half a mile the way the bird flies. Quote: Ernie Stuhl, the mayor of Shanksville, later says, “I know of two people - I will not mention names - that heard a missile. They both live very close, within a couple of hundred yards.… This one fellow’s served in Vietnam and he says he’s heard them, and he heard one that day.” - Philadelphia Daily News, 11/18/2001 Ernie's account is second hand information not solely to base an argument on but adds more credibility to the information presented first hand by Barry and Joe. However this is completely inconsistent with the blast trajectory. Flight 93 cannot fly over Friedens over Stoystown to the crash site because the blast trajectory proves the plane had to approached from the east / northeast. Indian Lake marina located in Central City, PA is east / northeast of the crash site. the plane was heard flying low overhead [shortly after the flickering of electricity takes place] by owner Jim Brandt and employees John Fleegle, Carol Delasko, & Tom Spinelli. Also in the immediate vacinity is Indian Lake golf course whose employee Chris Smith hears a "screaming, like a missile" sound which places something on a direct course from the northeast with something approaching simultaneously from the west. but as if that isn't enough from the south we have a very small white plane approaching in a northeast flight pattern towards the crash also at the same exact time. 3 seperate events converging to 1 single point at 10:06:05 AMEST in Shanksville. now the real task is to track down witnesses Lisa & Michael Merringer & Laura Temyer all of Hooversville who all heard an explosion and then the engine "sounded funny" and then 2 more explosions while also hearing the airborn plane. the task is to find out in which directions those explosions came from. the plane had to be relatively high at this point and time because Hooversville is only a few miles away and if the time of Ed Felt's phone call is accurate this initiates 8 minutes before the final event in the Shanksville field. The plane most likely was coming from the east of Hooversville. Wally Miller's account of the impact as given by the FBI is also inconsistent with the bogus FDR data and thus also rendering the CVR data to be a total fraud as well. His account supports a plane coming from the east / northeast. The plane has to be heading southeast though for the official story to be true in order to account for the debris fields in Indian Lake and New Baltimore. That isn't possible though thanks to the blast trajectory evidence left behind in the trees which also proves a plane didn't come in flying south over rollock scrapyard. The Indian Lake debris was much heavier debris than the lighter pieces which landed as far away as New Baltimore. Indian Lake marina area in which it was recovered is also impossible if the official story is true. It is northeast of the crash site. This also proves an airborne event took place with this plane.
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Zaphod 36	Aug 21 2008, 06:15 AM Post #2
Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: 01/25/08	Domenick DiMaggio Aug 21 2008, 03:05 AM Also in Loose Change Final Cut i believe Barry discusses this. Without posting his address I will tell you Barry lives in Friedens, PA. West of the crash site. Indian Lake marina area in which it was recovered is also impossible if the official story is true. It is northeast of the crash site. This also proves an airborne event took place with this plane. Barry lives near the shore of Indian Lake(Pueblo Path) and also near(west of) the Marina. I did a research at Yahoo People Search and got two addresses. Its definitifely not in the village of Friedens. The Indian Lake marina area is southeast of the crash site. I don`t understand why you locate this area northeast of the crash site. The marina is at the south end of Indian Lake(just out of the picture) and north of the north end of Lake Stonycreek. Quote: The plane has to be heading southeast though for the official story to be true in order to account for the debris fields in Indian Lake and New Baltimore. That isn't possible though thanks to the blast trajectory evidence left behind in the trees which also proves a plane didn't come in flying south over rollock scrapyard. The Indian Lake debris was much heavier debris than the lighter pieces which landed as far away as New Baltimore. I think its possible when a southeast heading plane was blasted in midair low over the ground. This missile was coming from the southeast and was heard from Lichty, Wilt and Smith.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 21 2008, 06:57 AM Post #3
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Zaphod 36 Aug 21 2008, 06:15 AM Domenick DiMaggio Aug 21 2008, 03:05 AM Also in Loose Change Final Cut i believe Barry discusses this. Without posting his address I will tell you Barry lives in Friedens, PA. West of the crash site. Indian Lake marina area in which it was recovered is also impossible if the official story is true. It is northeast of the crash site. This also proves an airborne event took place with this plane. Barry lives near the shore of Indian Lake(Pueblo Path) and also near(west of) the Marina. I did a research at Yahoo People Search and got two addresses. Its definitifely not in the village of Friedens. Zaphod, Barry Lichty lives on Pueblo Path in Friedens, PA. Feel free to contact him for confirmation. I'm not posting the exact street number. It is west of the crash site. Barry has resided there since 1986. Quote: The Indian Lake marina area is southeast of the crash site. I don`t understand why you locate this area northeast of the crash site. The reason I locate it there is because I have the address and have been there : 234 S Shore Trail Central City, PA 15926 Quote: The marina is at the south end of Indian Lake(just out of the picture) and north of the north end of Lake Stonycreek. No its not. Quote: I think its possible when a southeast heading plane was blasted in midair low over the ground. This missile was coming from the southeast and was heard from Lichty, Wilt and Smith. Flight 93 came from the northeast over Indian Lake Marina located inside of Central City. Lichty was at home in Friedens, PA. Between him and the crash site is Joe Wilt who lives in Stoystown [directly west of the crash site] and also heard a "missile" headed towards the site corroborating Lichty's account. Both of these men are Viet Nam Vets and I suspect these men were Ernie Stuhl's "2 viet nam vets who heard a missile". Smith was at the golf course which is near the Marina which is at the north end of Indian Lake. Slightly northeast of the crash site. The plane was engaged in the air and this is how the debris ended up at the marina. Along with human remains [denied by wally miller].
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Andoo Inc.	Aug 21 2008, 08:59 AM Post #4
Sir finds a lot Posts: 551 Group: Members Member #42 Joined: 01/15/08	could we get proof of human remains in the water??



Zaphod 36	Aug 21 2008, 09:47 AM Post #5
Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: 01/25/08	Domenick DiMaggio Aug 21 2008, 06:57 AM The reason I locate it there is because I have the address and have been there : 234 S Shore Trail Central City, PA 15926 Quote: The marina is at the south end of Indian Lake(just out of the picture) and north of the north end of Lake Stonycreek. No its not. I typed the address on mapquest.com and the marina is still southeast of the crash site. Here is a map where you can convince yourself. Do you have a map where the marina is northeast of the crash site? Quote: Flight 93 came from the northeast over Indian Lake Marina located inside of Central City. Do you still believe that? Quote: Lichty was at home in Friedens, PA. Yes, but outside of the Friedens(village) at Indian Lake and also near the marina and the witnesses of the missile sound. Quote: Smith was at the golf course which is near the Marina which is at the north end of Indian Lake. Slightly northeast of the crash site. Kelly Smith is the manager of the Northwinds Golf Course. Link I guess she is the wife of Chris. The Northwinds Golf Course is east or southeast of Indian Lake. Is it the same course?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 21 2008, 05:41 PM Post #6
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Andoo Inc. Aug 21 2008, 08:59 AM could we get proof of human remains in the water?? as soon as i speak to some of the witnesses that saw them, yes.
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Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 21 2008, 05:58 PM Post #7
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Zaphod 36 Aug 21 2008, 09:47 AM Domenick DiMaggio Aug 21 2008, 06:57 AM The reason I locate it there is because I have the address and have been there : 234 S Shore Trail Central City, PA 15926 Quote: The marina is at the south end of Indian Lake(just out of the picture) and north of the north end of Lake Stonycreek. No its not. I typed the address on mapquest.com and the marina is still southeast of the crash site. Here is a map where you can convince yourself. Do you have a map where the marina is northeast of the crash site? Yes, i have google earth and inputed the address i posted in my previous response to you. that is the physical and correct address for the marina. it is located in central city, pa. it is northeast of the crash site. i had it confirmed independently by 3 other people before i stated so publicly. zaphod Quote: Flight 93 came from the northeast over Indian Lake Marina located inside of Central City. Do you still believe that? absolutely. zaphod Quote: Lichty was at home in Friedens, PA. Yes, but outside of the Friedens(village) at Indian Lake and also near the marina and the witnesses of the missile sound. No, Barry was sitting on his couch in his house in Friedens, PA. Joe & Gay Wilt were sitting on their couches watchin tv in Stoystown. Both were west of the crash site. Both describe hearing a missile pass from behind them over their heads towards the crash site prior to the explosion. The sound described from Indian Lake witnesses of a "screaming" sound are of a punctured airliner flying at a high speed of rate towards the crash site. zaphod Quote: Smith was at the golf course which is near the Marina which is at the north end of Indian Lake. Slightly northeast of the crash site. Kelly Smith is the manager of the Northwinds Golf Course. Link I guess she is the wife of Chris. The Northwinds Golf Course is east or southeast of Indian Lake. Is it the same course? most likely. there are 3 different addresses for golf club at indian lake. all 3 seem to be directly due east. most likely smith heard the sound coming from the north of him. this would be consistent with all the witnesses from the marina who heard it. although it is possible the plane passed between the marina and the golf course on its way there. did you see my interview footage with wally miller yet? i'd like to hear your take on his description of the impact. wally says the wings were vertical to the ground. bob blair and doug miller have corroborated this claim. lee purbaugh insists the plane wasn't inverted. this would corroborate the claims of the 3 above. the plane cannot impact inverted and come from the north and cause the damage we see. it has to come either from the east or slight northeast. this is consistent with the marina accounts and golf course account. wilt's and lichty heard something other than 93. they didn't hear susans silent plane because that was not its flight path. both men are vets. i've spoken with the joe wilt. i believe the man knows what hes talking about. i believe he heard a missile as did barry.
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DoYouEverWonder	Aug 21 2008, 06:15 PM Post #8
Posts: 437 Group: Members Member #206 Joined: 01/24/08	Zaphod 36 Aug 21 2008, 09:47 AM Domenick DiMaggio Aug 21 2008, 06:57 AM The reason I locate it there is because I have the address and have been there : 234 S Shore Trail Central City, PA 15926 Quote: The marina is at the south end of Indian Lake(just out of the picture) and north of the north end of Lake Stonycreek. No its not. I typed the address on mapquest.com and the marina is still southeast of the crash site. Here is a map where you can convince yourself. Do you have a map where the marina is northeast of the crash site? Quote: Flight 93 came from the northeast over Indian Lake Marina located inside of Central City. Do you still believe that? Quote: Lichty was at home in Friedens, PA. Yes, but outside of the Friedens(village) at Indian Lake and also near the marina and the witnesses of the missile sound. Quote: Smith was at the golf course which is near the Marina which is at the north end of Indian Lake. Slightly northeast of the crash site. Kelly Smith is the manager of the Northwinds Golf Course. Link I guess she is the wife of Chris. The Northwinds Golf Course is east or southeast of Indian Lake. Is it the same course? Google Maps and Google Earth give two completely different results for the location of the Flight 93 Memorial Site. On Google Maps the Marina is to the SE. On Google Earth the Marina is to the NE. I don't know why?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 21 2008, 06:53 PM Post #9
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	DoYouEverWonder Aug 21 2008, 06:15 PM Google Maps and Google Earth give two completely different results for the location of the Flight 93 Memorial Site. On Google Maps the Marina is to the SE. On Google Earth the Marina is to the NE. I don't know why? having been there i say google earth is the accurate source for the location of the marina placing it northeast of the crash site.
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Zaphod 36	Aug 26 2008, 12:30 PM Post #10
Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: 01/25/08	Quote: having been there i say google earth is the accurate source for the location of the marina placing it northeast of the crash site. Yes, Google Earth is the accurate source, but the marina is still on southeast... zaphod Quote: Lichty was at home in Friedens, PA. Yes, but outside of the Friedens(village) at Indian Lake and also near the marina and the witnesses of the missile sound. Quote: No, Barry was sitting on his couch in his house in Friedens, PA. Does Lichty have two homes? One at Indian Lake and one in Friedens? Quote: did you see my interview footage with wally miller yet? i'd like to hear your take on his description of the impact. No, where can I watch it?
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Domenick DiMaggio	Aug 26 2008, 03:44 PM Post #11
Posts: 2,006 Group: Members Member #22 Joined: 01/14/08	Zaphod 36 Aug 26 2008, 12:30 PM Quote: having been there i say google earth is the accurate source for the location of the marina placing it northeast of the crash site. Yes, Google Earth is the accurate source, but the marina is still on southeast... yea i just checked with google earth and now the marina is southeast of the crash site. i can't explain this. before the marina address was taking me to the northern tip of the lake. same address different results. very odd. Quote: Does Lichty have two homes? One at Indian Lake and one in Friedens? i sent you a link, correct? Quote: No, where can I watch it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkYOk3zxf54 the full 45 minute version will be online this weekend.
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Zaphod 36	Aug 27 2008, 02:01 PM Post #12
Posts: 50 Group: Members Member #210 Joined: 01/25/08	Quote: Does Lichty have two homes? One at Indian Lake and one in Friedens? Dom i sent you a link, correct? Yes, and its the same address that I found on Yahoo People Search. This address is near the shore of Indian Lake and outside of Friedens(village). Make a research on yahoo and you will find it(click on the address and you will get a map where you can detect the Pueblo Path with Zoom). I guess your home of Lichty in Friedens(village) simply does not exist. Additionally the mayor of Indian Lake should live at Indian Lake and not in Friedens, correct? Dom did you see my interview footage with wally miller yet? i'd like to hear your take on his description of the impact. wally says the wings were vertical to the ground. Yes, I did now. Good work. Thats very interesting. I agree with you that the plane must have been coming from the northwest, according to Wally. He contradicts the official version, because the plane cannot make such a sharp turn if it was coming from Lambertsville over Rollock. How did Wally learned about the vertical wings while crashing? I have an old image of the flight path, according to some witnesses. I think it was from the New York Times: According to this flight path, the plane made a sharp turn north of Indian Lake and continued flying near the lake heading southwest(Shootdown?). This is near Val McClatchey and she claims hearing a roar and a glimpse of the plane. And there is also a large debris field to the (north)west of the crater. Do you know people in this area, who reported about falling debris on their homes, Dom? Perhaps our mysterious Jim Stop was fishing their and saw the plane with falling debris. Was Wally talking about recognizable plane debris(United colours?)
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