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Abortion
Topic Started: Jan 23 2008, 04:05 PM (2,194 Views)
Roxdog	Feb 20 2008, 07:16 PM Post #76
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Quote: Erm, I was quoting the US Declaration of Independence. The rights I was referring to were 'The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'. Oh right...and where does it mention the right to kill children? Quote: to be fair, the Declaration of Independance is not a document of laws that are binding upon the USA. The Constitution and all laws passed by Congress and the President are the law of the land. The Declaration sums up and sets in stone the original intent of the document. Thanks for the civics lesson but you aren't teaching us anything we don't already know... Edited by Roxdog, Feb 20 2008, 07:18 PM.
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arbor	Feb 20 2008, 07:33 PM Post #77
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	One day old multi-celled eggs are children? Who are you, the Pope John Paul II? Torquemada?
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alexvegas	Feb 20 2008, 07:37 PM Post #78
alex25smash Posts: 607 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 01/15/08	arbor to be fair, the Declaration of Independance is not a document of laws that are binding upon the USA. The Constitution and all laws passed by Congress and the President are the law of the land. Not my point though. Roxdog's insinuation by taking my quote completely out of context was that I had referenced a 'right' to abortion. roxdog Oh right...and where does it mention the right to kill children? It does not, just as it does not mention the 'right' to force a woman to have a child which for whatever reason is unwanted. Edited by alexvegas, Feb 20 2008, 07:40 PM.



JFK	Feb 20 2008, 07:56 PM Post #79
Posts: 4,210 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	Whatever happened to the higher law ? You know, "Thou shalt not murder" ? Or is this yet another war ? on unborn children.
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arbor	Feb 20 2008, 07:57 PM Post #80
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	i thought this wasnt about religion?
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JFK	Feb 20 2008, 08:01 PM Post #81
Posts: 4,210 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	arbor Feb 20 2008, 07:57 PM i thought this wasnt about religion? Does it make a difference ? If so, why ?
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Roxdog	Feb 20 2008, 08:02 PM Post #82
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	arbor Feb 20 2008, 07:57 PM i thought this wasnt about religion? More than two people are discussing this, genius. lol Quote: It does not, just as it does not mention the 'right' to force a woman to have a child which for whatever reason is unwanted. But it very clearly mentions the rights of individuals, of which, no one, including individuals with vaginas, can legally infringe upon without due process. Edited by Roxdog, Feb 20 2008, 08:03 PM.
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arbor	Feb 20 2008, 08:07 PM Post #83
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	point to the section in the decleration of independance, the articles of confederation, or the constitution, that refers to the "rights of the unborn". please. oh please.
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alexvegas	Feb 20 2008, 08:15 PM Post #84
alex25smash Posts: 607 Group: Members Member #34 Joined: 01/15/08	Roxdog Feb 20 2008, 08:02 PM But it very clearly mentions the rights of individuals, of which, no one, including individuals with vaginas, can legally infringe upon without due process. As already discussed, why do the rights of an unfinished human override the rights of a living breathing accomplished human?



arbor	Feb 20 2008, 08:27 PM Post #85
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	because embryos have souls man!!!!...souls!!!!
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JFK	Feb 20 2008, 08:38 PM Post #86
Posts: 4,210 Group: Admins Member #108 Joined: 01/17/08	arbor Feb 20 2008, 08:27 PM because embryos have souls man!!!!...souls!!!! Yep, and I sincerely pity yours.
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arbor	Feb 20 2008, 08:57 PM Post #87
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	awww...thats sweet of you. tank goo.
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Roxdog	Feb 21 2008, 04:36 PM Post #88
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	arbor Feb 20 2008, 08:07 PM point to the section in the decleration of independance, the articles of confederation, or the constitution, that refers to the "rights of the unborn". please. oh please. Orwellian newspeak will not prove your point. It makes no distinction between the born & unborn because people that actually respect humanity would never make such a disgusting stance regarding human life. They are individuals. Individuals have inalienable rights. The very same parties that blew up the WTC and crave global governement are the same parties that have conditioned you to despise human decency. Break through your conditioning.
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Roxdog	Feb 21 2008, 04:44 PM Post #89
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	alexvegas Feb 20 2008, 08:15 PM As already discussed, why do the rights of an unfinished human override the rights of a living breathing accomplished human? "Unfinished"? Is that the scientific term? Bwahhaa...and unborn babies are living, fyi.... They don't override anyone's rights. Me not having the right to kill you isn't "overriding" my rights. I simply don't have the right to do it. The end. Edited by Roxdog, Feb 21 2008, 04:49 PM.
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arbor	Feb 21 2008, 05:22 PM Post #90
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	why do u want to give governmant the right to control the bodies of women? how can you possibly think that a day old fertilized egg should have the same rights as a 21 year old college grad????? total religous fascism at its worst.
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Roxdog	Feb 21 2008, 06:09 PM Post #91
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Quote: why do u want to give governmant the right to control the bodies of women? Why are you only capable of repeating buzzphrases that have no bearing on what we are actually discussing? Once again for those that have no reading comprehension skills: woman (and men) are free to do what they want as long as they don't infringe on the rights of other individuals. Not allowing you to kill a person is not "controlling" anyone's bodies. You just sound stupid when you say something so dumb. Quote: how can you possibly think that a day old fertilized egg should have the same rights as a 21 year old college grad????? Once again, for those with no reading comprehension skills: abortions are not being performed on day old fetuses. They are being performed on six week and two month old unborn babies. And I can think that because I am able to apply logic and reason to my daily life... Quote: total religous fascism at its worst. You are the fascist that has no respect for humanity and seeks to control people's lives, not us. I am NOT religious. I'm just not a fascist, socialist , tyranny-enabling eugenics control freak as you are... "total religous fascism at its worst" would involve mass death, which seems to be what you are promoting, not us. Keep in mind, at the end of the day: We cheerlead life. You....cheerlead death. Also...im not wanting to give the govt "the right" to do anything. I'm simply saying that making...and then killing babies, is wrong. Edited by Roxdog, Feb 21 2008, 06:15 PM.
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arbor	Feb 21 2008, 07:08 PM Post #92
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	Fact: 1 day old, 1 week old, 3 week old embryos are NOT human beings or babies. Fact: Allowing the governmant to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies is a religous fascist's dream come true. If I was a woman, I would want the FREEDOM to decide if I want to terminate my pregnancy, especially if it is only a few days or weeks old. Edited by arbor, Feb 21 2008, 07:08 PM.
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Roxdog	Feb 22 2008, 12:06 PM Post #93
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Quote: Fact: 1 day old, 1 week old, 3 week old embryos are NOT human beings or babies. They are human. And why won't you go any higher than that, when A VAST MAJORITY of abortions occur? Very few abortions occur during the time period that you state that they aren't human. Quote: Fact: Allowing the government to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies is a religious fascist's dream come true. No, being a proud socialist and condoning eugenics is a fascist's dream come true, hence why it is accurate to call you a fascist. No one is tell woman "what to do with their bodies", the law states you cannot kill people. I know you'll never understand that but that is an accurate statement. Nothing you are saying is very accurate. Quote: If I was a woman, I would want the FREEDOM to decide if I want to terminate my pregnancy, especially if it is only a few days or weeks old. Your fantasy of abortions occurring within days or weeks is simply laughable... Yes, we know you have no principles or respect for human life. That has been dually noted. Proclaiming you wish to have the "right" to kill the baby you created is pretty redundant.
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sevon	Feb 22 2008, 12:21 PM Post #94
Posts: 408 Group: BANNED! Member #256 Joined: 02/01/08	Rox, I agree with you on this issue, for the most part. I wanted to also recommend checking out the book "Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything" by Stephen D Levitt. In it, he addresses the affect of abortion on the crime rate. The statistics are quite interesting. My 0.02....people need to use contraceptives PRIOR to pregnancy, not fix their mistake by killing their unborn. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of "cure".
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Roxdog	Feb 22 2008, 12:25 PM Post #95
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Thanks for your comments. I don't want The State knocking down doors to arrest woman that have had abortions. I don't want anyone to be terrorized.... but that includes the human being that has been created inside her. I believe it is wrong and I don't understand people that make it their politcal litmus test. I don't understand "abortion rights activists". I believe they have their priorities all screwed up...
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Roxdog	Feb 22 2008, 06:26 PM Post #96
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	I like how you read those other threads in the lounge, ignored them, and then came looking for this one.... Hilarious. You really have an interesting sense of priority....lol
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arbor	Feb 22 2008, 06:28 PM Post #97
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	Im pro-choice. I believe women have the right to terminate their pregnancy. I believe that women should control their bodies, not governmant. The end. Edited by arbor, Feb 22 2008, 06:37 PM.
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Roxdog	Feb 22 2008, 06:44 PM Post #98
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Quote: Im pro-choice. I believe women have the right to terminate their pregnancy. I believe that women should control their bodies, not governmant. You are pro death and pro totalitarianism and you are merely parroting the globalist masters you pimp for... I'm pro choice. People have the choice to make babies or not and I'm all for that. But people have rights and babies are people. Government isn't "controlling their bodies" by protecting their rights. They would be prohibiting the mother from infringing on the rights of another human. The end
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arbor	Feb 22 2008, 07:00 PM Post #99
Posts: 450 Group: BANNED! Member #100 Joined: 01/16/08	I have reported every single post you have made which includes an attack against me. You are not a gentleman.
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Roxdog	Feb 22 2008, 07:05 PM Post #100
Posts: 597 Group: Members Member #80 Joined: 01/16/08	Quote: You are not a gentleman. That is exactly what I am. Hence, why you disgust me so. Any real gentleman would agree. Right....go running to big brother to fix all your problems you like you propose with everything else. You pimp Marxism, gun grabbing, and global government. You are one of them. Edited by Roxdog, Feb 22 2008, 07:06 PM.
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