| Welcome! You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use. If you join our community, you'll be able to access member-only sections, and use many member-only features such as customizing your profile, sending personal messages, and voting in polls. Registration is simple, fast, and completely free. Join our community! |
| Abortion | |
|---|---|
| Topic Started: Jan 23 2008, 04:05 PM (2,193 Views) | |
| Roxdog | Jan 28 2008, 01:27 PM Post #26 |
|
Ha...so, in other words. You have no real argument and are only capable of parroting and repeating meaningless buzz-phrases...dually noted. We all believe in rights for woman too...and men. It's just we believe these rights extend to all people and not just ones that you have decided are worthy to receive them.
That is the dumbest tripe you've posted thus far. No one forced them to make a baby. They made the choice. Now they are pregnant. They can give up their baby for adoption. People will PAY THEM to have it. Adoption demand exceeds abortion demand (none of you eugenicists will address this FACT).
There is no such thing as free healthcare and they are welcome to give up their baby for adoption by a family that can afford healthcare (bwt, most states have universal healthcare for children...way to stay informed)
You are a socialist fool. It isn't the goverments job to play santa claus meets robin hood and create your socialist pipedream. On the other hand, it is their job to protect the rights of individuals....including babies. Edited by Roxdog, Jan 28 2008, 01:31 PM.
|
 |
 
|
| arbor | Jan 28 2008, 02:05 PM Post #27 |
|
only religous extremists see 1 week old fetuses as being a baby with civil rights. this is why we should keep religion out of politics. i bet you are even against the morning after pill. as soon as the sperm fertilizes the egg, its an american citizen right? unbelievable. religous fascists. Edited by arbor, Jan 28 2008, 02:06 PM.
|
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 28 2008, 02:20 PM Post #28 |
|
Only a eugenics-loving control freak socialist bootlicker would say something so moronic. No one is getting abortions after a week. You are either completely clueless or a LIAR. Average age is 6-8 weeks.
You are the only one bringing up religion. I didn't. Not sure what you are talking about. My guess is you have nothing real to say so now you are reading your Marxist buzzword playbook...
I'm against socialist control freaks like yourself....You do more to empower the evil people running things, that make people think abortion on demand is necessary, than anyone. You might as well work for David Rockefeller himself...And no, you would lose that bet (and most others, it seems). Sperm is not human. This is human:  ...but not according to you....
I agree your ignorance and arrogance is unbelievable. I never said anything religious. You DEFINE fascism. Edited by Roxdog, Jan 28 2008, 02:23 PM.
|
|
|
|
| arbor | Jan 28 2008, 02:31 PM Post #29 |
|
You must be very very young, or very very immature, because you seem incapable of having a discussion without attacking the person you are talking to. Your parents should have raised you with better manners. Women should have the right to do what they want with their bodies. This is the essence of personal freedom. When we give the Federal governmant the right to tell us what to do with our bodies, all bets are off. If we overturn Rowe vs. Wade, the slippery slope to fascism is complete. |
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 28 2008, 04:50 PM Post #30 |
|
Ha...you attacked me too. In fact, you started being a sh^thead from the get go. So now, you aren't only incredibly ill informed and can't address any real info, but you are also a hypocrite. Congrats...
My parents raised me perfectly. They raised me to respect humanity. I can't help my distain for socialist control freaks...
Agreed....but once again, there is another person's body in the mix here. You can employ doublethink and say it is something else, but its a person that the woman chose to create. Sorry.
No. The essence of personal freedom was the womans choice to create the baby and the baby's right to life, liberty and property.
Once again...we aren't telling anyone what they can do with their body. We are telling people what they can't do to someone else's. Btw, it is illegal to light yourself on fire and then run around and hug people. So...you aren't just allowed to do ANYTHING with your body. Your vague, tired terminology is proof positive you don't really have much of an arguement...
That might be the dumbest pile of crap of statement ever posted on a forum of this kind.... Hack. |
|
|
|
| arbor | Jan 28 2008, 07:06 PM Post #31 |
|
1 day old fetuses have the right to life, liberty, and property? wow. do you write speeches for Focus on the Family? the 700 club? |
|
|
|
| alexvegas | Jan 28 2008, 08:12 PM Post #32 |
alex25smash
|
All still stands Rox. Your last few posts simply reiterate it. |
|
|
|
| arbor | Jan 28 2008, 08:55 PM Post #33 |
|
Funny how Rax fails to answer the question: "would you apply animal cruelty laws to dogs and cats in utero?". The answer is...no. why, because that would be just silly. 1 week old dogs..are not dogs. just like 1 week old humans..are not humans. a seed is not a flower. a hunk of steel is not a car. an acorn is not a tree. a 1 week old elephant is not an elephant, deserving of protection under animal rights laws, and neither is a 1 week old human a human, deserving of civil rights, social security benefits, and the right to arm bears. |
|
|
|
| mynameis | Jan 29 2008, 06:29 AM Post #34 |
Internet Jujitsu
|
HAH! HAH! http://www.shoutfile.com/v/7bNe7nQG/Asking_Anti-Abortion_Demonstrators_an_Important_Question |
|
|
|
| alexvegas | Jan 29 2008, 06:45 AM Post #35 |
|
alex25smash
|
That's amazing, what's ridiculous is there are possible answers to that question but none of them have even considered them (punish the abortionist, not the woman, for example). I love the last one, 'god called you?'. They are not pro life one bit, all they are is are pro bible. |
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 29 2008, 03:08 PM Post #36 |
|
Um...you say I didn't answer the question and then you quote my answer. Hilarious. And once again, no. Dogs and cats aren't humans. Humans are humans. Its funny how you call something a dog and then say it isn't a dog. 1 week old dogs..are not dogs". Um, yes, dogs are dogs. lol
A human is none of these things.
Once again, most abortion take place LONG after this. You will continue to ignore that FACT, which in turn proves my point. And elephants aren't human either. I can't figure out for the life of me why you think that point is valid.. 
I believe they have the right to life. I think when someone makes the CHOICE to create life, they should take is seriously.
Um, no. Only an idiot would try to insinuate im some sort of religious fundie. You only show your ignorance when you read from your lefty cue cards....I simply take life seriously and respect humanity. You don't. That is where we differ.... This is human...get over it.
Edited by Roxdog, Jan 29 2008, 03:09 PM.
|
|
|
|
| mynameis | Jan 29 2008, 03:37 PM Post #37 |
|
Internet Jujitsu
|
What if I told you Moses possibly murdered firstborn children because of the influences in Egypt, prior to receiving the ten commandments. |
|
|
|
| arbor | Jan 29 2008, 05:05 PM Post #38 |
|
Roxdog- it is the extremism and vicious attacks by your side, which leads to my side always winning. =) |
|
|
|
| alexvegas | Jan 29 2008, 07:20 PM Post #39 |
|
alex25smash
|
All still stands Rox. Your last post simply reiterates it. |
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 29 2008, 07:22 PM Post #40 |
|
I would then ask you what your point is...
There is nothing extreme about advocating NOT killing babies. You are the only extremist around here. You are a nanny-state enabler and eugenisist. I'm not "attacking" you or anyone else (just like I'm not "destroying woman's rights"), and especially not "viciously". I'm just pointing out very succinctly how idiotic your world-view is. You're side will never win. Ignorance and cheerleaders of tyranny never win. Ever.  This is a human being: |
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 29 2008, 07:25 PM Post #41 |
|
I know all still stands. The truth tends to do that on its own, amazingly...Rox has torn all the eugenisists arguments to shreds. Exactly. All still stands.... If you have something you think I failed to address, then kindly repeat it. I've ignored nothing intentionally. You probably just said something irrelevant and not worth commenting on, honestly... |
|
|
|
| Roxdog | Jan 29 2008, 07:28 PM Post #42 |
|
This a human being and I'll post it as many times as I like, thanks.
BWahahaaa....actually, it's nothing like that at all. That was just dumb. Edited by Roxdog, Jan 29 2008, 07:29 PM.
|
|
|
|
| alexvegas | Jan 29 2008, 08:14 PM Post #43 |
|
alex25smash
|
Nice selective quote... and also well done holding back on calling me a eugenicist.
It Is EXACTLY the same. It's the same as showing a photo of a (living) person (who may or may have been murdered; it's irrelevant) to put people off murder. In fact in your eyes that is what you are doing. I don't think anyone here says abortion is pleasant, and I don't think anyone would like to see abortions on unborn humans older than a few weeks, and certainly not beyond 20 or so weeks. I believe there should also be agreement between two or more unbiased doctors that the procedure is necessary for each individual situation. But to completely remove the possibility from mothers and FORCE them to have a child who for WHATEVER reason they feel they cannot have is to dictate. What we should NOT do at any cost is let the bible - or any other non scientific text - dictate policy. Which let's face it is the primary reason people are anti abortion. As soon as the word god comes into a political debate it cannot be taken seriously. Politics is politics and religion is religion and the two should never mix. I await your trademark cut n paste n belittle retort technique. Edited by alexvegas, Jan 29 2008, 08:15 PM.
|
|
|
|
| mynameis | Jan 29 2008, 11:16 PM Post #44 |
|
Internet Jujitsu
|
My point is that shit happens and people aren't always responsible for their own reproductive organs. You would like to think in all circumstances this is the case, but that's not 100 percent truth. When situations occur and a woman gets pregnant she doesn't have a human being, she has a possible viable zygote, embryo, fetus. It is up to that woman to decide whether or not to become a mother. If you can figure out a way to stop death sentences, euthanasia, and the problems of why there aren't enough people for adoption, then perhaps abortions won't be necessary for women. Think dog pound and animal control problems for why there are too many abandoned pets put to sleep each year. Now think of this problem on a human scale.
Edited by mynameis, Jan 30 2008, 11:04 AM.
|
|
|
|
| alexvegas | Jan 30 2008, 05:44 AM Post #45 |
|
alex25smash
|
Death sentences are easy to stop. They stopped them here. |
|
|
|
| arbor | Jan 30 2008, 12:08 PM Post #46 |
|
If I was a woman, I would want the right to decide what to do with my body, as long as it doesnt harm anyone else. And yes, the fetus growing inside of me MAY become a full grown human, but while I am feeding it with my stomach, breathing for it with my lungs, it is my choice to decide whether to keep it or not. Thats one of the main difference between humans and human fetuses. Humans breath and eat on their own. Fetuses do not. |
|
|
|
| look-up | Jan 30 2008, 02:36 PM Post #47 |
|
we can attack all of these problems with one declaration. "I will not kill ANYONE." If we all adopted that single line and made it true, abortion, war, theft, murder, would all virtually dissappear. |
|
|
|
| look-up | Jan 30 2008, 02:47 PM Post #48 |
|
it is a moot point, since no one has the right to harm another, no matter what their maturity level is. for instance, you say it is the right of the woman to know what she should do with her own body. well yes, but then the question that the Constitution would seem to ask is, "Does excersizing that right take rights away from someone else?" With abortion, the answer is "Yes." Excersizing the right to terminate a pregnancy in your own body would be perfectly fine if it were just a "pregnancy", but it is not. It is a life and it would be terminated along with the state of "being pregnant". That is analogous to saying that "Every slave owner has the right to do what he wishes with his or her own property". Well yes that is true, but as we eventually figured out, the owner of the slave does NOT have the right to violate the human rights of the one they consider their "property". Therefore, slavery is illegal now, although at one point property rights concerns gave it some legality. We're not saying women don't have rights to their own bodies. We're saying that those rights cannot EVER violate the rights of the unborn child to at least be given a chance at life. The logic is simple. To argue otherwise is to argue that some "higher" humans have the right to violate the rights of "lesser" humans, which is pretty much the evil that we are all fighting. TO oppose evil, you must oppose all violations of human rights. Everywhere. Including inside someone's body. |
|
|
|
| look-up | Jan 30 2008, 02:53 PM Post #49 |
|
reported. |
|
|
|
| Lin Kuei | Jan 30 2008, 03:05 PM Post #50 |
|
Arbor generalizing statements such as that are ABSOLUTELY unacceptable and inappropriate. 7 days. Sorry dude but that is totally not on. This type thread is prone to cause emotional outbursts considering its subject matter. I'll advise that everyone takes a breath and considers whether what they're gonna say might offend others before posting. Thanks. Edited by Lin Kuei, Jan 30 2008, 03:08 PM.
|
|
|
|
| 1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous) | |
| Go to Next Page | |
| « Previous Topic · Current Politics · Next Topic » |
9:53 AM Nov 27
