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Why a Flyover?
Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 10:27 PM (1,472 Views)
jim76

Sorry if this has been addressed, but why would those responsible for the 9/11 attacks plan a flyover instead of just crashing a plane into the Pentagon like they did at the WTC?
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Maybe the Pentagon is home to many of the people responsible for the attacks. High powered explosives are more precise than flying a 757 into the building. If there were to crash it into the Pentagon, then they would have a very hard time flying it parallel to the ground and hitting the first and second floors. The Pentagon sits at the bottom of a hill. I just don't see how it could swoop down this hill then level off a few feet off the ground before striking the Pentagon. I don't know if it would even have enough room. I'm skeptical that this is possible especially after you factor in the light poles.
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jim76

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Jan 21 2008, 10:50 PM
Maybe the Pentagon is home to many of the people responsible for the attacks. High powered explosives are more precise than flying a 757 into the building. If there were to crash it into the Pentagon, then they would have a very hard time flying it parallel to the ground and hitting the first and second floors. The Pentagon sits at the bottom of a hill. I just don't see how it could swoop down this hill then level off a few feet off the ground before striking the Pentagon. I don't know if it would even have enough room. I'm skeptical that this is possible especially after you factor in the light poles.
Good ideas, but shouldn't they have factored this in when determining the targets of the attacks? Why pick an impossible target that will leave people guessing whether or not it was even possible? I guess it doesn't make sense unless there is some reason why the Pentagon was targeted instead of other significant landmarks that they could have just crashed a plane into instead of having to fake such an elaborate attack.
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jim76
Jan 21 2008, 11:06 PM
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Jan 21 2008, 10:50 PM
Maybe the Pentagon is home to many of the people responsible for the attacks. High powered explosives are more precise than flying a 757 into the building. If there were to crash it into the Pentagon, then they would have a very hard time flying it parallel to the ground and hitting the first and second floors. The Pentagon sits at the bottom of a hill. I just don't see how it could swoop down this hill then level off a few feet off the ground before striking the Pentagon. I don't know if it would even have enough room. I'm skeptical that this is possible especially after you factor in the light poles.
Good ideas, but shouldn't they have factored this in when determining the targets of the attacks? Why pick an impossible target that will leave people guessing whether or not it was even possible? I guess it doesn't make sense unless there is some reason why the Pentagon was targeted instead of other significant landmarks that they could have just crashed a plane into instead of having to fake such an elaborate attack.


The most important part about the Pentagon and why this area is targeted is because of who and what was actually located in that area. Damage needed to be precise and the whole thing could easily be ruined by the simplest of pilot error. If the plane crashes to early or hits the wrong section.....

My own personal belief.



edit : typo
Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Jan 21 2008, 11:46 PM.
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Maybe they wanted to get rid of certain people. Maybe they didn't want people to know what happened to all that money they supposedly lost.
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I see you've already covered that. Saved me some time.
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How many people witnessed a flyover?
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jim76
Jan 21 2008, 11:06 PM
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Jan 21 2008, 10:50 PM
Maybe the Pentagon is home to many of the people responsible for the attacks. High powered explosives are more precise than flying a 757 into the building. If there were to crash it into the Pentagon, then they would have a very hard time flying it parallel to the ground and hitting the first and second floors. The Pentagon sits at the bottom of a hill. I just don't see how it could swoop down this hill then level off a few feet off the ground before striking the Pentagon. I don't know if it would even have enough room. I'm skeptical that this is possible especially after you factor in the light poles.
Good ideas, but shouldn't they have factored this in when determining the targets of the attacks? Why pick an impossible target that will leave people guessing whether or not it was even possible? I guess it doesn't make sense unless there is some reason why the Pentagon was targeted instead of other significant landmarks that they could have just crashed a plane into instead of having to fake such an elaborate attack.
Another big ooops on the part of the psyop planners. :-/

I'm thinking the attack is indeed possible for a 757. Evidence? It happened.

Domenick:
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Damage needed to be precise and the whole thing could easily be ruined by the simplest of pilot error. If the plane crashes to early or hits the wrong section.....

It was very precise. The perfect descending loop, hitting the ground floor without scuffin the lawn, all this said too precise to have happened - and now it's not precise enough? So why not plane plus some bombs for the tight spots? They just needed to keep that plane, they were just too cheap? They just wanted to be all 'deceptive' in a random and needless way? And then cover for it with altered video, radar, FDR, planted witnesses, planted light poles, pre-fabriacted damage outside the Pentagon, the pyrotechnics of flyover masking, the enforced silence of all flyover witnesses, etc. A million points of co-ordinated fakery and all the hundreds of mechanics involved kept silent, and still their work fucked up enough that CIT has discovered like 50 seams that 'unravel the plot', And you dismiss a 757 impact because "the whole thing could easily be ruined by the simplest of pilot error."
:ermm:

Bongo Thud:
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How many people witnessed a flyover?

We can never know for sure (cue the mystery music and mention that some 911 calls have been sequestered away). But zero so far.
More to the point, if we go ahead and take CIT's word that the fireball could hid the pass over, how many have witnessed the PULL-UP to get there? One. How was the upward trajectory of the plane for the last one second or so hidden or uniformly dismissed and not mentioned, except Turcios?


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How was the upward trajectory of the plane for the last one second or so hidden or uniformly dismissed and not mentioned, except Turcios?


Also remember that Turcios believed that the plane was going to crash into the street before it hit the Pentagon.

26:52 - Robert Turcios: As I said before, it seemed, to me it seemed like it was gonna crash onto the street here, but it.. but it did uh, I saw it lift, take a, go up a little bit, headed towards the Pentagon.
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Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
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bileduct

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Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Oh brilliant, I can't wait for this one.

Please provide a link to a video or transcript of your witness testimonies to this effect and we'll go through them one by one, much like you guys did with the light poles witnesses.

kthnx.
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Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Here, I'll answer Bongo Thud's question for you.


Bongo Thud;

There were no people who reported seeing a plane fly over The Pentagon.
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bileduct
Jan 22 2008, 01:29 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Oh brilliant, I can't wait for this one.

Please provide a link to a video or transcript of your witness testimonies to this effect and we'll go through them one by one, much like you guys did with the light poles witnesses.

kthnx.
They are right on our website, Biley.
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bileduct

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Jan 22 2008, 01:34 PM
They are right on our website, Biley.
I got two names in and saw Joel Sucherman. As in the suspicious, discredited Pentagon impact witness from the USA Today Parade video?

Now he is one of your star witnesses?

LOL.
Edited by bileduct, Jan 22 2008, 01:47 PM.
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We need a new category:

NCT

No Crash Theories/Theorists


The government flew a plane into the area just so they could crash another object into The Pentagon and claim it was the aircraft which was in the area anyway...within inches of The Pentagon, even according to Lyte Trip, et. al.


LOL
Edited by Aster, Jan 22 2008, 01:54 PM.
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Jan 22 2008, 01:33 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Here, I'll answer Bongo Thud's question for you.


Bongo Thud;

There were no people who reported seeing a plane fly over The Pentagon.
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Vin Naranayan:
-"I hopped out of my car [...] nearly oblivious to a [...] *jet* hovering in the skies".





Joel Sucherman:
-Sucherman saw "a" plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn...."a" plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space...




Kelly Knowles:
-...she saw a [...] plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* [the explosion happened]...some sort of plane followed [...] toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "



Keith Wheelhouse:
the [...] plane banked off to the west."


There are some people who saw a plane/jet over or near the Pentagon veering away as the explosion happened.


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Aster
Jan 22 2008, 01:53 PM
We need a new category:

NCT

No Crash Theories/Theorists


The government flew a plane into the area just so they could crash another object into The Pentagon and claim it was the aircraft which was in the area anyway...within inches of The Pentagon, even according to Lyte Trip, et. al.


LOL
Asster,

Personal Incredulity does not constitute proof.

They didn't crash anything.
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bileduct

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Jan 22 2008, 01:57 PM
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Vin Naranayan:
-"I hopped out of my car [...] nearly oblivious to a [...] *jet* hovering in the skies".





Joel Sucherman:
-Sucherman saw "a" plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn...."a" plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space...




Kelly Knowles:
-...she saw a [...] plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* [the explosion happened]...some sort of plane followed [...] toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "



Keith Wheelhouse:
the [...] plane banked off to the west."


There are some people who saw a plane/jet over or near the Pentagon veering away as the explosion happened.
How convenient that your list contains absolutely no reference links for verification. None whatsoever.

Do you expect me to just automatically believe you, especially now after the "well maybe he meant 'pull up' after the sign" bullshit?

Please provide links to the transcripts containing these statements if you actually stand by them.
Edited by bileduct, Jan 22 2008, 02:08 PM.
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Aster
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Jan 22 2008, 01:58 PM
Asster,

Personal Incredulity does not constitute proof.

They didn't crash anything.
Dildo Marquis CIT;

You are correct, your personal incredulity does not constitute proof.
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nicepants

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Jan 22 2008, 01:58 PM
Aster
Jan 22 2008, 01:53 PM
We need a new category:

NCT

No Crash Theories/Theorists


The government flew a plane into the area just so they could crash another object into The Pentagon and claim it was the aircraft which was in the area anyway...within inches of The Pentagon, even according to Lyte Trip, et. al.


LOL
Asster,

Personal Incredulity does not constitute proof.

They didn't crash anything.
That's not personal incredulity. Don't use words if you don't understand what they mean, it only hurts your argument.
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Hmmmm, if they didn't crash anything, what made the big explosion?

NCTs are funnier than NPTs, IMHO.
Edited by Aster, Jan 22 2008, 02:06 PM.
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Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Wouldn't that be the same thing as a flyover? :cool:
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Aster
Jan 22 2008, 02:03 PM
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Jan 22 2008, 01:58 PM
Asster,

Personal Incredulity does not constitute proof.

They didn't crash anything.
Dildo Marquis CIT;

You are correct, your personal incredulity does not constitute proof.
Oh Aster, are you mad because of a typo or because the typo fit?

We were talking about your personal incredulity. I only deal in evidence obtained on location.


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nicepants

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Jan 22 2008, 02:53 PM
Aster
Jan 22 2008, 02:03 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 22 2008, 01:58 PM
Asster,

Personal Incredulity does not constitute proof.

They didn't crash anything.
Dildo Marquis CIT;

You are correct, your personal incredulity does not constitute proof.
Oh Aster, are you mad because of a typo or because the typo fit?

We were talking about your personal incredulity. I only deal in evidence obtained on location.


Aster has not used personal incredulity as proof, or evidence in this discussion.
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Aldo Marquis CIT
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Jan 22 2008, 02:11 PM
Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 22 2008, 12:56 PM
Bongo Thud
Jan 22 2008, 01:11 AM
How many people witnessed a flyover?
How many people saw a plane/jet that was along the same flight path over/near the Pentagon veering away/peeling off into the sky as there was an explosion at the Pentagon, Bongo Thud?
Wouldn't that be the same thing as a flyover? :cool:
Yup. so how many?
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