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| Search for Building 7 South Side Photos and Video; FOIA request for WTC 7 photos | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 08:20 PM (3,727 Views) | |
| Ferric Oxide | Jul 1 2008, 09:09 AM Post #26 |
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Above forwarded to James Giles, Assistant Producer : "Conspiracy Files" RE: WTC 7 |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 1 2008, 09:14 AM Post #27 |
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For the sole purpose of demonstrating that email was opened by the producers: Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 10:08 AM To: ferric oxide Subject: Read: Fwd: WTC 7 Outstanding FOIA Request South Side & Lobby Photos and Video Size: 3 KB Attachments: Your message To: Michael Rudin Cc: James Giles Subject: Fwd: Fwd: WTC 7 Outstanding FOIA Request South Side & Lobby Photos and Video Sent: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:07:25 +0100 was read on Tue, 1 Jul 2008 15:08:49 +0100 Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 1 2008, 09:16 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 1 2008, 11:13 AM Post #28 |
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Response from producer of Conspiracy Files
michael.rudin@bbc.co.uk Mike Rudin is series producer, The Conspiracy Files The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower to be broadcast on BBC Two at 2100 BST on Sunday 6 July 2008 Note regarding this email: We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, sustainable development, environmental, community and worker health, democracy, public disclosure, corporate accountability, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a "fair use" of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107 Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 1 2008, 11:21 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 3 2008, 08:50 AM Post #29 |
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Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 9:49 AM To: James <james.giles@bbc.co.uk>, Michael <michael.rudin@bbc.co.uk> Subject: BBC Early Report WTC7 Size: 4 KB Greetings, Thank you for getting back to me so soon regarding the outstanding FOIA request for the WTC 7 south side (close up/lobby) photos and video. I placed a call to NIST yesterday in order to receive an update of the fee waiver request. I will forward anything I get from a release to you for dissemination. On another subject, I read a message on your blog regarding the BBC early collapse report and would like to send you some follow up questions that you may be presented with following the airing of the documentary. The questions work to eliminate any so-called "plausible deniability" which is a "Church Committee" buzz word over here in the states. In order to eliminate the plausible deniability surrounding this particular aspect of your documentary please consider the following questions: First- Regarding the Early Report of the Collapse: "Conspiracy Files" claims that Reuters was the first party to state that WTC 7 (the Solomon Brothers Building ) had collapsed before it actually did, Conspiracy Files attempts to resolve the issue with the following statement: "It turns out that the respected news agency Reuters picked up an incorrect report and passed it on. They have issued this statement: "On 11 September 2001 Reuters incorrectly reported that one of the buildings at the New York World Trade Center, 7WTC, had collapsed before it actually did. The report was picked up from a local news story and was withdrawn as soon as it emerged that the building had not fallen."" 1- When did Reuters issue the withdrawal of the story? 2-What is the process of issuing a story and withdrawing a story? 3- Who specifically at Reuters reported that the building had actually collapsed after they picked up the story? 4- If there were rumors that the building might go all day, at what time did the Reuters story get released, and who released it? 5-Is the statement that Reuters "issued" to Conspiracy Files contemporary (ie; Is it a statement made now in 2008, or is there evidence that Reuters actually withdrew the statement in 2001)? 6-Please show documentation from 11 Sep 2001 that Reuters withdrew the story regarding the collapse of WTC 7 before it did. 7- Was the purported retraction by Reuters issued in the short time between the initial false report of the collapse and the time of the actual collapse? (Data is needed that show that a retraction statement issued in 2001)? 8- Where did Reuters "pick up" the story? 9- What is Reuters process of "picking up" stories? Second-Regarding the Satellite Feed: Satellite Feed cut out at 1715 1-On what information does BBC base that information on (the 1715 cut off)? 2-Must we take BBC's word on this, or is this information have a verified source? 3- Please show us the verified data regarding the Satellite Feed timer from 11 Sep 2001. Answers to the above questions now will certainly help to avoid the likely influx of questions later, and may help to solve the matter without the necessity of FOIA requests being issued in the UK. -- ferric oxide Esq. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 3 2008, 08:50 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 7 2008, 01:38 PM Post #30 |
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Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008 4:25 PM To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Outstanding FOIA FEE WAIVER APPEAL decision Size: 4 KB Dear xxxxxxxx, We hope to have your FOIA request completely within a week or so. Thanks. xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx, General Law Division Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 7 2008, 01:39 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 7 2008, 01:45 PM Post #31 |
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Note from ferric oxide: This decision should be out Prior to the NIST report (according to the decision time frame). If it is a denial, I shall appeal to federal court before the NIST decision--Hopefully. If the decision is favorable, then the data should be forthcoming shortly, and all data shall be freely and widely disseminated pursuant to the requirements of the fee waiver appeal rules. If the decision is not favorable, then its off to federal court. |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jul 18 2008, 03:00 PM Post #32 |
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Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jul 18 2008, 06:06 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Aug 21 2008, 02:17 PM Post #33 |
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So, NIST's argument is that normal office fires caused expansion and catastrophic failure. I suppose the south side damage argument may now be off the table. However, we will continue to pursue the photos. I'll post the administrative appeal soon. Remember that the fee waiver was denied based on the "dissemination" prong, as i am not the press. I did deal with the dissemination factor in the included endnotes, which were part of the appeal, but apparently they were disregarded.
Edited by Ferric Oxide, Aug 21 2008, 02:18 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Nov 5 2008, 10:07 AM Post #34 |
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This is a renewed request for just the photographs of the south side--in order to limit costs. The court costs involved with battling the fee waiver would not be condusive to getting the information released. However, I can only hope that the timing of the initial request was such that NIST could not claim south side gouge damage without deceptive tactics subject to future sworn testimony. Now I will attempt to get the disk full of south side photos without the requisite fee waiver request: National Institute of Standards and Technology Catherine S. Fletcher, FOIA & Privacy Act Officer 100 Bureau Drive, STOP 1710 Gaithersburg, MD 20899-1710 November 5, 2008 Re: Freedom of Information Act Request -Photographs Dear Ms. Catherine S. Fletcher: This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. Sec. 552. I request that a copy of the following documents be provided to me: ·Photographs (in jpeg or another format) of the south side upper and lower lobby (inside and outside) of WTC Building 7 taken throughout the day on September 11, 2001. These would be the photos taken in the immediate vicinity of the WTC Building 7 south side upper and lower entrances. ·Photographs of the “WTC Division” triage area, which was active at 9:30 am on September 11, 2001. http://www.dps.state.vt.us/homeland/fdnylessonslearned9-11.pdf ·Photographs of the upper and lower south side lobby areas (interior and exterior) of Building 7 after the collapse of WTC 2, then after the collapse of WTC 1. Note that NIST described the lobby area of WTC 7 after the collapse of WTC 1 as having “no heavy debris” with a “white dust coating.” http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/June2004WTC7StructuralFire&CollapseAnalysisPrint.pdf ·Note regarding responsiveness to this request: Photographs may be redacted as necessary and still may be responsive to my request. In order to help to determine my status to assess fees, you should know that I am an individual seeking information for personal use and not for a commercial use. Thank you for your consideration of this request. Sincerely, /s/ [ferric oxide] xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Edited by Ferric Oxide, Nov 5 2008, 10:08 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Nov 12 2008, 01:15 PM Post #35 |
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NIST Response received November 12, 2008:
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| Ferric Oxide | Dec 26 2008, 01:01 PM Post #36 |
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Below: NIST response to latest request for WTC 7 South Side photos. Photos have been confirmed, but are claimed to be held by (redacted) Corporation and cannot be released under an exemption as stated below. I will contact the corporation and appeal the decision. 
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| Ferric Oxide | Dec 26 2008, 10:22 PM Post #37 |
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The corporation in question offers many WTC photos for sale, so I will try this route as well. I see no reason why these newsworthy photos should be withheld, especially now that the NIST investigation is complete for the moment. The south side damage argument was dropped last year in favor of the cubicle fire argument. These individuals must be called to testify under oath, and a relevant representative has been asked to investigate several related federal agencies, due to their anomolous and potentially mischievious activities.
Edited by Ferric Oxide, Dec 26 2008, 10:24 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 5 2009, 11:59 AM Post #38 |
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xxxxxxxxx Corporation: January 5, 2009 I am seeking 2 photos from NIST (National Institute of Standards and Technology) . The photos are in the possession of NIST and are of the following: FOIA Request 09-10 Request: November 5, 2008 Re: Freedom of Information Act Request -Photographs Dear Ms. Catherine S. Fletcher: This is a request under the Freedom of Information Act, 5 U.S.C. Sec. 552. I request that a copy of the following documents be provided to me: ·Photographs (in jpeg or another format) of the south side upper and lower lobby (inside and outside) of WTC Building 7 taken throughout the day on September 11, 2001. These would be the photos taken in the immediate vicinity of the WTC Building 7 south side upper and lower entrances. ·Photographs of the “WTC Division” triage area, which was active at 9:30 am on September 11, 2001. http://www.dps.state.vt.u...dnylessonslearned9-11.pdf ·Photographs of the upper and lower south side lobby areas (interior and exterior) of Building 7 after the collapse of WTC 2, then after the collapse of WTC 1. Note that NIST described the lobby area of WTC 7 after the collapse of WTC 1 as having “no heavy debris” with a “white dust coating.” http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/...CollapseAnalysisPrint.pdf ·Note regarding responsiveness to this request: Photographs may be redacted as necessary and still may be responsive to my request. Ms. Fletcher stated that since xxxxxxxxxxx owned the rights to the photos that I should contact xxxxxxxxxxx to request the photos. Please let me know the cost of the photos which are responsive to this request. Thank You, ferric oxide Esq. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jan 5 2009, 12:02 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 5 2009, 12:02 PM Post #39 |
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January 5, 2009 [RE; WTC 7 South Side Photos] We appreciate your interest in xxxxxxxx and someone from our office will get back to you within 2 hours. If you need immediate assistance, |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 7 2009, 01:28 PM Post #40 |
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Subject: FW: research request (#6361-121001227-0971) Size: 5 KB xxxxxxxxxxx Corporation Hi [ferric], Thanks for your image research request. It appears the image in question may be part of our collection, however in order to confirm this I will need digital samples to reference. Please email me copies to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Once I have the sample images I will be able to explore out archives to find the images. Before proceeding with this request I thought it would be important to clarify that if you wish use the images you will be charged a fee. The price will be determined once the images have been found and a customer service agent has contacted you for more information about the image's end usage etc. If you have any questions or would like to discuss this further please feel free to contact me directly at xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Thanks in advance for your cooperation and I look forward to assisting you with your quest to find the images. Warmest regards, xxxxxx Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jan 7 2009, 01:28 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 7 2009, 01:29 PM Post #41 |
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To: xxxxxxxxxx Corporation Research: From: ferric oxide January 7, 2009 Thank you so much. The photos were originally requested under an FOIA, so NIST has not provided me with the specific reference numbers or data regarding the photos. Is there a specific reference number on your photos that NIST can asked to provide to narrow your search.? As I have not specifically seen the photos, I cannot provide the copies of those photos. I understand that there will be a fee. Thank you, and please let me know how I can help to identify the photos. I Thank you. Note: (Specifically, the photos would pertain to close up shots of the south side of the Solomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) at any time during the day of September 11, 2001. This would include photos of the upper and lower lobby areas, and the entire south side before the collapses of each of the two main WTC towers, and after the collapse of those towers. I do have some Vesey Street photos looking toward the walkway, but they were taken from the street in front of the post office and are not responsive to my request.) |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 8 2009, 11:28 PM Post #42 |
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Subject: RE: Customer Inquiry: Research Monday, January 5, 2009 11:58 AM Size: 6 KB ==================================================================<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Thank you for contacting xxxxxxx Corporation. We have received your email and will get back to you as soon as possible. If your inquiry is urgent, please call us at xxxxxxxxxxxx in USA (xxxxxxxxxxxxxx for Canada). If you are outside North America, you can find your representative here. ================================================================== |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 26 2009, 01:39 PM Post #43 |
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xxxxxxxxx Corporation research: January 26, 2009 Thank you for getting back to me regarding the research into the photos of the "close up" south side of WTC building 7 (Solomon Brothers Building). As you know, my request for the information originated with NIST (National Institute for Standards and Technology). They indicated that I should contact you to gain access to the photos, which are also in their possession. I am specifically seeking photos of the close up upper and lower lobby areas of WTC 7 from the day of September 11, 2001. There was a triage located there at 9:30 AM on that date and their were photographers and videographers in the area during the day. I have located rather distant shots of the south side of WTC 7 from the data that you sent to me. I will reference that data here so that you may research the matter. Your photo 0000381940-013 shows the south of of WTC 7 after the collapse of the two towers, but the view is not from Vesey Street. It is quite a distance away from the structure. The structure is in the background. Your photo 0000381934-001 shows the south side of WTC 7 at a distance, although both towers are collapsed (which is why WTC 7 is in view). Your photo DWF15-164260 shows the Vesey Bridge which connects into WTC 7. Your photo DWF15-157933 shows the Vesey bridge with a part of the east side of WTC 7 on the right. Your photo AADE001036 shows a collapsed WTC 7 The photos I am looking for are photos taken from Vesey street toward WTC 7. There were photographers in the area in front of WTC 7 after the two towers were hit. Your database shows photos of the two struck towers taken by a photographer standing in the area in front of WTC 7 (Vesey Street). I am seeking the shots taken toward the south side of WTC 7, in the lobbies (upper and lower) of WTC 7 at "any time " during the day, including close up photos of the south face. Thank you for your help. Edited by Ferric Oxide, Jan 26 2009, 01:41 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 30 2009, 09:55 PM Post #44 |
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Subject: RE: xxxxxxxxxxxx Corporation: research request Size: 5 KB Friday, January 30, 2009 1:28 PM Hi [ferric], Thanks again for your note. In regards to your quest to find the images of the WTC building 7 -, do you have sample images? Previously the lightbox I sent contained images that were keyworded WTC. However if the image does not contain the keyword it would not come up in the results. Please touch base if you would like to discuss this further. xxxxxxxxx |
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| Ferric Oxide | Jan 30 2009, 09:57 PM Post #45 |
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Date: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:53 PM To: xxxxxxxxxx Corporation Research Subject: research request Size: 4 KB To: xxxxxxxx Corporation Research: I do not have sample photos from the close up WTC 7. NIST (National Institute for Standards and Technology) does have the photos which were responsive to my FOIA request. However, they are claiming an exemption under the FOIA and stated that I needed to contact you to obtain the photos. I suppose that key search words may be terms such as: Vesey Street Bridge, 911 WTC 7, Solomon Brothers Building. I have not found close up photos of the WTC 7 south side lobby (upper and lower) and close ups of the south face on 911 in your online database. They do exist (as NIST has them), but they may be off line. Thanks for any help you can give me. If you need photos of the south side of WTC 7 not on 9/11/2001 for reference, I can readily provide those to you. |
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| Ferric Oxide | Feb 2 2009, 07:59 AM Post #46 |
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[RE: Close up south side WTC 7 (upper and lower lobby) and close up of south face from the vicinity of Vesey Street in front of WTC 7 with the Vesey bridge to the right of the photographer facing WTC 7 at any time during the day of September 11, 2001.] Date: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:53 PM To: [ferric oxide] Subject: Research Request Size: 5 KB Thank you for your research request. You will receive a lightbox within one business day, but you may hear from us faster than that. In the meantime, if you want to modify your request, xxxxxxxxxxxxx or resend your original e-mail xxxxxxxxxx, noting the changes. [] Regards, Research Team Edited by Ferric Oxide, Feb 2 2009, 08:01 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Feb 3 2009, 03:21 PM Post #47 |
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Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 2:16 PM To: [ferric] Subject: RE: research request Size: 6 KB Hi there, Thanks for your reply. Yes if you could provide me[] with samples of the south side of the WTC not on 9/11/2001. That would be most helpful! Please touch base if you have any other questions. [xxxxxx Corporation Research] |
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| Ferric Oxide | Feb 4 2009, 12:20 PM Post #48 |
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Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 12:15 PM To: xxxxxxxx Corporation Research Subject: RE: research request Size: 767 KB Attachments: wtc 7 south upper.jpg (99.9 KB) 7wtc_lrg.jpg (100.6 KB) 7worldtrade-bridge.jpg (260.4 KB) wtc7 lobby-inside upper south lobby.JPG (239.4 KB) 13months_01_sevenwtc-bridge.jpg (59.7 KB) Attached as jpeg files are a few photos of the WTC 7 south side for your reference (pre-911). Please note that both the orange art structure (outside the upper south lobby) and the Vesey Street bridge are present on the south side of WTC 7. I look forward to the photos which show the close ups of the WTC 7 south face and the south side lobbies (interior and exterior) at any time during 911. If you turn up WTC 7 triage photos that would also be helpful. It is likely that most of the close up photos (online or offline) would have been taken from Vesey Street, although there may be some close up telephoto shots taken of the south face after the collapses of both towers. Presently, there are rather distant photos available of the south side of WTC 7. Note that a request for available news videos of this side (south side of WTC7) was dropped from the original FOIA to allow a quicker response from NIST. However, since there was at least one interview which took place near the WTC 7 south side triage area, the existing historic video will be requested in a future FOIA. Thank you, [ferric oxide] Edited by Ferric Oxide, Feb 4 2009, 12:49 PM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Feb 5 2009, 10:53 AM Post #49 |
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Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009 10:48 AM To: xxxxxxxxxx Research Subject: Re: Research Request Size: 2 KB Hello, I appreciate the online shots and references regarding the south side of Building 7. The one responsive photo that you graciously provided does display a shot that I'd been seeking -- that is -- a photo beyond the east corner of WTC 7 as the photographer turned the corner and looked toward the lobby areas (promenade), which are beyond the Vesey Bridge. There are color versions of the east corner which were photographed by Bill Cirone and others in the area at the time. Please refer me to any off line sources that you may have, so that I might access photos of the actual lobby area in front of WTC 7, the triage area and the south face of the structure. Thank you. Ref. Below: View down Vesey Street on September 11, 2001 before the collapse of WTC 7 (seen at right). Requester is seeking photos which would be more responsive to the original FOIA request of 2007 and 2008 respectively.  Edited by Ferric Oxide, Feb 5 2009, 11:03 AM.
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| Ferric Oxide | Feb 23 2009, 10:23 AM Post #50 |
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Edited by Ferric Oxide, Feb 24 2009, 12:01 PM.
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