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thank you "jref"; Woke Me Up
Topic Started: Jan 20 2008, 06:57 AM (2,122 Views)
nicepants	Jan 29 2008, 09:34 AM Post #76
Posts: 303 Group: BANNED! Member #59 Joined: 01/15/08	Stundie Jan 28 2008, 08:11 PM nicepants Jan 28 2008, 06:16 PM Now he just needs to present his case to the JREF mods if he wants anything to be done about it. And this is your last feed nicepants. I've stated already stated this time and time before that I do not want anything doing about it and that there is no case for me to make because the JREF Mods do not have a case in the 1st place. According to their rules, if you're banned...YOU have to make the case to reverse the ban. If you don't like that, tough. It's a message board, not a court of law.
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IVXX	Jan 29 2008, 01:09 PM Post #77
MDCCLXXVI Posts: 162 Group: Admins Member #3 Joined: 12/21/07	nicepants Jan 29 2008, 09:34 AM If you don't like that, tough. It's a message board, not a court of law. I'll remember you said that.



Stundie	Feb 7 2008, 10:41 AM Post #78
Posts: 887 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	It looks like the JREF Groupthink Mentality are upset by the banning of someone claiming to be an ex-truther! lol http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105555 Does anyone know if this guy actually belonged to any truth movement?? Or is he just saying it/lying in order to discredit the movement? Does anyone know how he came from believing the official story, to denying it, then back to believing in it again?? or is it as I suspect, Bullshit!! I do not believe for a second that he was part of a movement which according to him "Piss on the graves of the 9/11 victims" Apparently according to JREF Groupthink (TM), the LC forum are back to their old tactics! (Whatever they maybe??) lol Even my old friend Nicepants is having a good cry about his banning......he thinks he was banned for disagreeing with me! lol I'm not sure why Nicepants was banned, although I'm guessing it was because of his constant trolling habits? I could easily just say that the mods here had a suspicion that Nicepants was a sock of some random banned member, because he joined the same day as this random banned member, the mods used this and other non specific information to banned him and they did that quite rightly too! According to Nicepants Logic, the mods here had all the proof of his sockiness!! hahahahahaha!! Even though he was clearly trolling for the hell of it, even when he was proven wrong! Edited by Stundie, Feb 7 2008, 10:43 AM.
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NK-44	Feb 7 2008, 11:15 AM Post #79
Posts: 160 Group: Members Member #16 Joined: 01/14/08	Stundie Feb 7 2008, 10:41 AM It looks like the JREF Groupthink Mentality are upset by the banning of someone claiming to be an ex-truther! lol http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105555 Does anyone know if this guy actually belonged to any truth movement?? Or is he just saying it/lying in order to discredit the movement? Does anyone know how he came from believing the official story, to denying it, then back to believing in it again?? or is it as I suspect, Bullshit!! I do not believe for a second that he was part of a movement which according to him "Piss on the graves of the 9/11 victims" Apparently according to JREF Groupthink (TM), the LC forum are back to their old tactics! (Whatever they maybe??) lol Even my old friend Nicepants is having a good cry about his banning......he thinks he was banned for disagreeing with me! lol I'm not sure why Nicepants was banned, although I'm guessing it was because of his constant trolling habits? I could easily just say that the mods here had a suspicion that Nicepants was a sock of some random banned member, because he joined the same day as this random banned member, the mods used this and other non specific information to banned him and they did that quite rightly too! According to Nicepants Logic, the mods here had all the proof of his sockiness!! hahahahahaha!! Even though he was clearly trolling for the hell of it, even when he was proven wrong! The guy is genuine, he also posted on the old forum. He was just pissing around, but check for yourself.
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Stundie	Feb 7 2008, 11:45 AM Post #80
Posts: 887 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	NK-44 Feb 7 2008, 11:15 AM Stundie Feb 7 2008, 10:41 AM It looks like the JREF Groupthink Mentality are upset by the banning of someone claiming to be an ex-truther! lol http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=105555 Does anyone know if this guy actually belonged to any truth movement?? Or is he just saying it/lying in order to discredit the movement? Does anyone know how he came from believing the official story, to denying it, then back to believing in it again?? or is it as I suspect, Bullshit!! I do not believe for a second that he was part of a movement which according to him "Piss on the graves of the 9/11 victims" Apparently according to JREF Groupthink (TM), the LC forum are back to their old tactics! (Whatever they maybe??) lol Even my old friend Nicepants is having a good cry about his banning......he thinks he was banned for disagreeing with me! lol I'm not sure why Nicepants was banned, although I'm guessing it was because of his constant trolling habits? I could easily just say that the mods here had a suspicion that Nicepants was a sock of some random banned member, because he joined the same day as this random banned member, the mods used this and other non specific information to banned him and they did that quite rightly too! According to Nicepants Logic, the mods here had all the proof of his sockiness!! hahahahahaha!! Even though he was clearly trolling for the hell of it, even when he was proven wrong! The guy is genuine, he also posted on the old forum. He was just pissing around, but check for yourself. Hi NK-44, Thanks for the links! From what I read, it looks like he watched Loose Change and did no further research himself and believed in it, then he watches Screw Loose Change and thinks it's rebutted all of Loose Changes claims again without doing any further research himself and believes in it. Well it just goes to show you that there are gullible people on both sides of the argument, so lets hope he is welcomed over at the JREF forum with open arms. As they love people like him who do not think for themselves! He will fit the groupthink model perfectly. lol Cheers Stundie
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Citizen Pawn	Feb 7 2008, 10:17 PM Post #81
Posts: 601 Group: Members Member #202 Joined: 01/24/08	I lurk the JREF site sometimes. Sometimes to see what "weird" news stories I have missed, pop up. Sometimes it's to get the other side of the story before I make a conclusion. I can honestly say that scenario 2 is rarely accomplished, due to the tone of the...what I can only describe as a personality cult. I don't think they're interested in the facts. Well that's not true entirely. They're interested in the demolition arguments, NIST data, CD theory, anything involving the architecture and engineering aspect(the make or break argument HANDED to them time and again) They have interest in the easily debunked, which I am grateful for. But they put a lot of stock in these as proof that "it all" has been debunked. Many of the "Gravy's in training" and their little offshoot websites attack the obvious, many times the Straw Men, many times the parsing of words, many times the irrelevant, many times the character, many times the profession (when their Moses is a Tour Guide?) They attack grammar, spelling, innocent dialog or curiosity as...."only a Woo would dare think such a thing". They have little regard for the declassified material or historic record of past "conspiracy". Usually it's all thrown attacked with a "well what does that prove" or when it really comes down to the clinch they will excuse it off as a necessary evil or alliance(Pomeroo) and it never was that great of a conspiracy to begin with...because now it's declassified(as must all be?).Or at the last, they will ridicule, spin off into a misdirection or taunt, bring in some cartoon or "funny" avatar to gather the flock under some childhood lunchroom flogging, or just leave the thread altogether and wait for the smoke to clear or people to lose interest in the thread. Most of what I've seen at JREF, let's say a good 3/4 ratio, is an attack on the minute, personality, career,appeal to authority, group think, kangaroo courting of intellectualism, etc. I haven't really gained much from the JREF experience. I'm not saying that all members there are pseudo skeptics. Many are real skeptics and do not tow a line or rehearsal. But the main characters seem to be anything but what the site motto claims. It seems like they are a "debunking" cult, rather than a true group of people holding true to the philosophy of rational or critical thinking(which has it's merit and place in the world). I appreciate true skeptics. Many true skeptics are in the "truther" movement. JREF'ers do not have a lock on the philosophies of critical thinking, whoever told them that, and from what authority do they demand that? It's arrogant at the least. No, JREF for the most part is not what it claims, at least the "conspiracy theory" sub-forum from my experience...other sub-forums are included...but that's another story entirely. I think the "skeptic" community is a farce while a JREF mindset is at the wheel...bad Captain of the Valdez. I usually held in my disgust for them, because I wanted to give them a fair shot before I fell victim to my possible bias. After lurking their site for months and giving them a "chance", they confirmed all my suspicions about their general M.O. I think it's a cult. At least it has many cult aspects at the minimum. Same can be said about certain parts of the "truth movement", but not to that degree. Every "school of thought" attracts fanatics and zealots. JREF claims to have the ultimate authority under the umbrella of science or historical record. They claim this authority but demonstrate the opposite. It's disappointing, because the world needs more good skeptics, and not a bunch of rehearsed professional debaters with a scripted line dictated by a would be Theocracy of a handful of online personalities. If they plan on "reaching" the online community with their "debunkings", I think they will find many will be turned off by their overall nature. Even if they had the "facts" ,you have to sift and wade through waist high arrogance and childishness to get to it. And by then, you don't want to go forward anymore with them. Sad bunch they are IMHO. Edited by Citizen Pawn, Feb 7 2008, 10:18 PM.
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Citizen Pawn	Feb 7 2008, 10:45 PM Post #82
Posts: 601 Group: Members Member #202 Joined: 01/24/08	ANd to the "skeptics" that might reply. In my observed data of past patterns and statistics(isn't that scienitifickish and uber sociologolistical?) You are not what you claim. You are,by now, professional Peanut Throwers. That's all. Your "interest" is to attack all people, government, officials, academics, scientists, mothers, fathers, cats, dogs, birds..... who hold or possess an idea, philosophy, theory, premise, fact, record, data, logic....that is counter to yours. The provability, efficacy, substantiation of SAID things, are of no importance to you. Do not pretend they are. You have no doubt fooled yourself into thinking that your ultimate goal is "proof" or "the authority of science", but I see very little evidence of this. No, in fact, the main goal is to ridicule and chastise. Any objective person can see the sum total of the JREF attitude. Of course not all players are guilty by association, they're are good skeptics out there. But the skeptic "way of life", since the growth of online information sharing, has snowballed into a pseudo cultist state of what a "skeptic" is. Being "skeptical" has taken on a whole new meaning. Similar to the usurping of political parties by those with contradictory principles and philosophies,gaining ground, and finally taking over. I.E. Neoliberals...NeoConservatives. DO not pretend you or your philosophies are above this. Edited by Citizen Pawn, Feb 7 2008, 10:46 PM.
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Stundie	Feb 8 2008, 07:12 AM Post #83
Posts: 887 Group: Members Member #78 Joined: 01/16/08	Citizen Pawn Feb 7 2008, 10:17 PM I lurk the JREF site sometimes. Sometimes to see what "weird" news stories I have missed, pop up. Sometimes it's to get the other side of the story before I make a conclusion. I can honestly say that scenario 2 is rarely accomplished, due to the tone of the...what I can only describe as a personality cult. I don't think they're interested in the facts. Well that's not true entirely. They're interested in the demolition arguments, NIST data, CD theory, anything involving the architecture and engineering aspect(the make or break argument HANDED to them time and again) They have interest in the easily debunked, which I am grateful for. But they put a lot of stock in these as proof that "it all" has been debunked. Many of the "Gravy's in training" and their little offshoot websites attack the obvious, many times the Straw Men, many times the parsing of words, many times the irrelevant, many times the character, many times the profession (when their Moses is a Tour Guide?) They attack grammar, spelling, innocent dialog or curiosity as...."only a Woo would dare think such a thing". They have little regard for the declassified material or historic record of past "conspiracy". Usually it's all thrown attacked with a "well what does that prove" or when it really comes down to the clinch they will excuse it off as a necessary evil or alliance(Pomeroo) and it never was that great of a conspiracy to begin with...because now it's declassified(as must all be?).Or at the last, they will ridicule, spin off into a misdirection or taunt, bring in some cartoon or "funny" avatar to gather the flock under some childhood lunchroom flogging, or just leave the thread altogether and wait for the smoke to clear or people to lose interest in the thread. Most of what I've seen at JREF, let's say a good 3/4 ratio, is an attack on the minute, personality, career,appeal to authority, group think, kangaroo courting of intellectualism, etc. I haven't really gained much from the JREF experience. I'm not saying that all members there are pseudo skeptics. Many are real skeptics and do not tow a line or rehearsal. But the main characters seem to be anything but what the site motto claims. It seems like they are a "debunking" cult, rather than a true group of people holding true to the philosophy of rational or critical thinking(which has it's merit and place in the world). I appreciate true skeptics. Many true skeptics are in the "truther" movement. JREF'ers do not have a lock on the philosophies of critical thinking, whoever told them that, and from what authority do they demand that? It's arrogant at the least. No, JREF for the most part is not what it claims, at least the "conspiracy theory" sub-forum from my experience...other sub-forums are included...but that's another story entirely. I think the "skeptic" community is a farce while a JREF mindset is at the wheel...bad Captain of the Valdez. I usually held in my disgust for them, because I wanted to give them a fair shot before I fell victim to my possible bias. After lurking their site for months and giving them a "chance", they confirmed all my suspicions about their general M.O. I think it's a cult. At least it has many cult aspects at the minimum. Same can be said about certain parts of the "truth movement", but not to that degree. Every "school of thought" attracts fanatics and zealots. JREF claims to have the ultimate authority under the umbrella of science or historical record. They claim this authority but demonstrate the opposite. It's disappointing, because the world needs more good skeptics, and not a bunch of rehearsed professional debaters with a scripted line dictated by a would be Theocracy of a handful of online personalities. If they plan on "reaching" the online community with their "debunkings", I think they will find many will be turned off by their overall nature. Even if they had the "facts" ,you have to sift and wade through waist high arrogance and childishness to get to it. And by then, you don't want to go forward anymore with them. Sad bunch they are IMHO. Hi Citizen Pawn and Welcome, I have to agree with you totally here. When I 1st started to question the events surrounding 9/11, I thought were can I get a critical thought on the events surrounding it, so I found the JREF Forum. I was horrified by the attitude of posters and their so called critical thinking skills. It didn't take that long to suss out that groupthink mentality is the order of the day. I was asking them about Mineta statement and how is version of events are backed up by every other piece of evidence. All I got told was that everybody else's statement jives with Mineta, when I asked who?? You should have seen the avoidance and non answers I got before my ban came into plane. Anyway, I hope you enjoy the forum and thanks for sharing with us your insight into the JREF Groupthink mentality..... Cheers Stundie
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Headspin	Feb 8 2008, 08:02 AM Post #84
Posts: 955 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	citizen_pawn has hit the treble-bars with those two wonderful posts, thank you. I never thought a mindset like that existed until i visited jref. I'm sure some of them are paid bloggers - PNAC and the pentagon have talked a lot about controlling cyberspace.
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Citizen Pawn	Feb 27 2008, 05:23 PM Post #85
Posts: 601 Group: Members Member #202 Joined: 01/24/08	You can also get paid 20 Bucks to write a "critical thinking" article. Get paid to be a skeptic.:) http://www.dbskeptic.com/open-request-for-skeptical-articles/?gclid=CIvcw5Wz5ZECFQcNYAodYGudYg
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Headspin	Feb 27 2008, 08:00 PM Post #86
Posts: 955 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Citizen Pawn Feb 27 2008, 05:23 PM You can also get paid 20 Bucks to write a "critical thinking" article. Get paid to be a skeptic.:) http://www.dbskeptic.com/open-request-for-skeptical-articles/?gclid=CIvcw5Wz5ZECFQcNYAodYGudYg I'd have paid $20 to read your two posts. thank you once again! and please post some more!!
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blarney fife	Feb 28 2008, 09:37 AM Post #87
Posts: 202 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: 01/14/08	Haven't visited this thread for a while. Two thumbs up Citizen Pawn...my thoughts exactly.
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