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| Anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in; Bruce E. Ivins dead of Tylenol overdose | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 1 2008, 04:08 AM (740 Views) | |
| 22205 | Aug 1 2008, 04:08 AM Post #1 |
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report. The scientist, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who worked for the past 18 years at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., had been told about the impending prosecution, the Los Angeles Times reported for Friday editions. The laboratory has been at the center of the FBI's investigation of the anthrax attacks, which killed five people. Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital in Maryland. The Times, quoting an unidentified colleague, said the scientist had taken a massive dose of a prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine... read more: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gH1fcT1QrjvwIaAZTO63_lxHs9EQD929C5F00 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25961053/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080100266.html |
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| Morganti | Aug 1 2008, 04:41 AM Post #2 |
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I am sure it was "suicide" just like the DC Madam (Google.) |
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| DoYouEverWonder | Aug 1 2008, 04:54 AM Post #3 |
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How convenient, blame the dead guy. |
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| 22205 | Aug 1 2008, 05:11 AM Post #4 |
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i see a pattern of tying up loose ends lately, especially since bushco will be leaving office in the not-too-far future. what cant be swept under the rug with executive privilege and/or pardons, will instead be silenced with heart attacks, cancerous tumors (they say novak has one!), nooses, and tylenol. the only question (in my mind) is when will things ever get "better"? sadly, most days it feels like the answer is NEVER... Edited by 22205, Aug 1 2008, 05:13 AM.
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| DoYouEverWonder | Aug 1 2008, 07:07 AM Post #5 |
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Who else is a member of the 'Camel Club'? |
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| noeffects | Aug 1 2008, 08:08 AM Post #6 |
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Wow. Camels. Anthrax. Sex Toys. Suicide. Aspirin. Death Letters. ! WTF... |
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| JackD | Aug 1 2008, 02:00 PM Post #7 |
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Ivins was not suicided. it was likely intentional overdose. he was, however, hounded and pursued by FBI who made it clear they could and would ruin him. They attempted the same with Hatfill. Ivins, unfortunately, did not hold up well under the strain. Ivins had been assisting in the germ investigation. Ivins is not, repeat not, the anthrax mailer. if the FBI & media come to easy conclusions of "well, that wraps it up!!" -- its bullshit. The camel club, Philip Zack, Marilyn Rippy, et all should still be considered -- esp after their lengthy attempts to insult, defame, and cast blame on an egyptian ex-colleage Dr Asaad. google Zack, Camel Club, Assad anthrax. also note: Zack is not jewish -- but is still a sociopath with bizarre misguided urges to defame, possibly frame arabs with clumsy efforts RIP Dr Ivins |
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| look-up | Aug 1 2008, 02:09 PM Post #8 |
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tying up loose ends... indeed. this is f'd up... the anthrax connection to 9/11 is one of the most compelling |
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| DoYouEverWonder | Aug 1 2008, 03:25 PM Post #9 |
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They learned their lesson with Hatfield, next time you want to pin the blame on someone, kill them first. Then they can't sue you for millions and win. |
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| JackD | Aug 1 2008, 03:41 PM Post #10 |
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the anthrax mailings & 9/11: it is unclear if the perpetrators of the 9/11/01 bombings & mass-media terror hysteria overlapped to any degree with the perpetrator(s) of the anthrax mailings. however, in terms of 'who benefits?' let me note Benefit #1: mass-marketing fear to every American who owns a mailbox or gets mail whereas 9/11/01 "terror" event imagery was largely focused on New York, DC and urban settings, the fear was spread across the country with the power of TV media. Still, those in non-urban settings might feel "well, i dont live in a city, I am safe" --- the anthrax mailings brought terror fears to every single person who opens a letter. this was a "force/message multiplier" of the terror meme already established on 9/11 Benefit #2: demonizing Islam, again the crude notes ended with "Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is Great" this was a message multiplier making americans fearful of arabs/muslims Benefit #3: subtle messages to Sen Daschle, Leahy who were obstinately opposing Patriot Act legislation - Patriot Act later passed overwhelmingly. Benefit #4: The public, and media, take their eye off of odd story lines of 9/11 -- less public scrutiny on 9/11 story - while the anthrax story was blowing up. "dont look here, look over there!!" -- such as that the first hijacker list by FBI, said to be based on PASSENGER MANIFEST, included adnan bukhari and brother. awkwardly, one bukhari was already DEAD. the list was quietly revised, and no one really noticed. the antrax mailing had the effect of force-multiplying the "new normal" of muslim -caused terror. critical thought and analysis went byebye ---- who dunnit? assuming that all anthrax mailings were done by same person/group (unclear) it is also unclear what the motive was -- a copycat add-on? was it planned? end of the day -- the anthrax attacks (like sniper attacks the next year) really helped spread & maintain the fear/paranoia across the country. |
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| noeffects | Aug 2 2008, 10:38 AM Post #11 |
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I agree, they had everyone in a tizzy
Jack, i bet you get called an anti-semite for that one. The Anthrax notes are on par with the Urban Moving Systems (agents) telling cops "We're not your problem, the Palestinians are your problem." so weak, so clumsy. |
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| SPreston | Aug 2 2008, 12:07 PM Post #12 |
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Perhaps Jerome Hauer will be next to commit seppaku (self disembowelment). Rudi, you should try it too. Wear one of your dresses for a more eloquent finale. ![]()
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| noeffects | Aug 3 2008, 10:47 AM Post #13 |
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More Anthrax Story |
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| SPreston | Aug 3 2008, 11:32 AM Post #14 |
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Primary Anthrax Suspects? Jerome Hauer? Philip Zack? The Bush Regime?
Anthrax Suspect Steven Hatfill wins $5.8 million settlement |
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| 22205 | Aug 4 2008, 06:01 AM Post #15 |
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Preston - thanks for the links and info. the jerome hauer link is definitely pretty solid indication of some foreknowledge on hauer's part. the assad/zack thing, im not so sure. to me it seems like they were floating that red-herring around to help keep the "scary arabs" fear abuzz. the way i see, there always had to be some inside guy at detrick, and though i wouldnt rule out zack (on his own or in collaboration with others at fort d.), i see IVINS as a pretty good candidate for having been the inside guy (he had more access to facilities than any of the other suspects so far). im not saying this bullshit about him being a deranged man hellbent on revenge is true, nor am i saying that IVINS acted alone to perpetrate the anthrax attacks. but i am saying that someone with expertise took care of the scientific procurement, packaging, and sending of the anthrax letters, and IVINS is a plausible suspect in that capacity. but he is being setup through this duley lady. the place where she was counseling ivins at, actually belongs to a fundie who aside from being a shrink, was appointed to a panel on faith based initiatives by the jesuit-schooled nepotist - frank murkowski, governor of alaska (whose daughter is a senator). then there is some back history to anthrax history which is noteworthy, because it shows that whoever did send the anthrax, had to have high-level knowledge of the HIJACKERS! Robert "bob" Stevens, (the first anthrax victim to die), was a photo editor at American Media, the same place where Michael Irish worked. Irish's wife, happened to be the person who helped 2 of the alleged arab hijackers find a place to live in florida. more on all that later, with relevant links and reports all spelled out in detail... BUT even if we take duley's words, and her words only, something still doesnt make sense. she paints a picture of a crazy man who was ready to "go out in a blaze of glory". but the man did the OPPOSITE - he went out in a silent poof! sunday is when he was hospitalized, and tuesday is when he died. apparently, ivins wasnt even "smart" or deliberate enough to choose a poison that would guarantee his immediate death, so he wasnt even that aggressive against himself. so even if we stick only to the reported "facts", he didnt shoot anyone, he didnt barricade himself in his house, he did nothing aggressive nor destructive. so this boogyman bullshit they're attributing to him doesnt fit any of the actions they have reported. i obviously dont know any inside info (duh), so i can only speculate. BUT i wouldnt 100 percent rule out a suicide either though. perhaps he feared his wife would be hurt or victimized, maybe such a threat had even been made against him. there is a chance, however small, that the pressure or other leverage had gotten to ivins, so he chose to take himself out. IF he had been more efficient in doing so, like with cyanide or some other toxin that he would presumably have had access to, then i would be more inclined to believe he did in fact commit suicide. but because of the sloppy method of death, and due to to the motives for wanting/needing him dead (if he was infact involved in the attacks), i say there is room for substantial doubt about how ivins' life ended. |
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| 22205 | Aug 4 2008, 06:05 AM Post #16 |
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Anthrax-Scientist-Therapist.html
audio: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/audio/national/20080802scientist.mp3 (DULEY court recording) this is most likely when IVINS became a suspect, OR was chosen as a viable candidate for a patsy/fall guy: http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=7756
some history: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1365581/CIA-links-Porton-Down-to-anthrax-attacks.html
Porton Down mentioned again, but more importantly - this biological thumbprint (described below) is what the FBI is hinting (according to the latest update on tv as im writing this) ties IVINS directly to some of the anthrax victims: http://www.vaccine-a.com/excerpt.html
more later... |
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| esopxe | Aug 6 2008, 12:48 AM Post #17 |
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FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe (Don't you just love they way that word that. I would say that what the FBI did falls under the word terrorism.) By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_go_ot/anthrax_investigation WASHINGTON - Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims. The pressure on Ivins was extreme, a high-risk strategy that has failed the FBI before. The government was determined to find the villain in the 2001 anthrax attacks; it was too many years without a solution to the case that shocked and terrified a post-9/11 nation. The last thing the FBI needed was another embarrassment. Overreaching damaged the FBI's reputation in the high-profile investigations: the Centennial Olympic Park bombing probe that falsely accused Richard Jewell; the theft of nuclear secrets and botched prosecution of scientist Wen Ho Lee; and, in this same anthrax probe, the smearing of an innocent man — Ivins' colleague Steven Hatfill. In the current case, Ivins complained privately that FBI agents had offered his son, Andy, $2.5 million, plus "the sports car of his choice" late last year if he would turn over evidence implicating his father in the anthrax attacks, according to a former U.S. scientist who described himself as a friend of Ivins. Ivins also said the FBI confronted Ivins' daughter, Amanda, with photographs of victims of the anthrax attacks and told her, "This is what your father did," according to the scientist, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because their conversation was confidential. The scientist said Ivins was angered by the FBI's alleged actions, which he said included following Ivins' family on shopping trips. Washington attorney Barry Coburn, who represents Amanda Ivins, declined to comment on the investigation. An attorney for Andy Ivins also declined to comment. The FBI declined to describe its investigative techniques of Ivins. FBI official John Miller said that "what we have seen over the past few days has been a mix of improper disclosures of partial information mixed with inaccurate information and then drawn into unfounded conclusions. None of that serves the victims, their families or the public." The FBI "always moves aggressively to get to the bottom of the facts, but that does not include mistreatment of anybody and I don't know of any case where that's happened," said former FBI deputy director Weldon Kennedy, who was with the bureau for 34 years. "That doesn't mean that from time to time people don't make mistakes," he added. Dr. W. Russell Byrne, a friend and former supervisor of Ivins at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Md., said he had heard from other Ivins associates that investigators were going after Ivins' daughter. But Byrne said those conversations were always short because people were afraid to talk. "The FBI had asked everybody to sign these nondisclosure things," Byrne said. "They didn't want to run afoul of the FBI." Byrne, who retired from the lab four years ago, said FBI agents interviewed him seven to 12 times since the investigation began — and he got off easy. "I think I'm the only person at USAMRIID who didn't get polygraphed," he said. Byrne said he was told by people who had recently worked with Ivins that the investigation had taken an emotional toll on the researcher. "One person said he'd sit at his desk and weep," he said. Questions about the FBI's conduct come as the government takes steps that could signal an end to its investigation. On Wednesday, FBI officials plan to begin briefing family members of victims in the 2001 attacks. The government is expected to declare the case solved but will keep it open for now, according to two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. Several legal and investigatory matters need to be wrapped up before the case can officially be closed, they said. Some questions may be answered when documents related to the case are released, as soon as Wednesday. For others, the answers may be incomplete, even bizarre. Some may simply never be answered. It is unclear how the FBI eliminated as suspects others in the lab who had access to the anthrax. It's not clear what, if any, evidence bolsters the theory that the attacks may have been a twisted effort to test a cure for the toxin. Investigators also can't place Ivins in Princeton, N.J., when the letters were mailed from a mailbox there. Richard Schuler, attorney for anthrax victim Robert Stevens' widow, Maureen Stevens, said his client will attend Wednesday's FBI briefing with a list of questions. "No. 1 is, 'Did Bruce Ivins mail the anthrax that killed Robert Stevens?'" Schuler said, adding, "I've got healthy skepticism." Critics of the bureau in and out of government say that in major cases, like the anthrax investigation, it can be difficult for the bureau to stop once it embarks on a single-minded pursuit of a suspect, with any internal dissenters shut out as disloyal subordinates. Before the FBI focused on Ivins, its sights were set on Hatfill, whose career as a bioscientist was ruined after then-Attorney General John Ashcroft named him a "person of interest" in the probe. Hatfill sued the agency, which recently agreed to pay Hatfill nearly $6 million to settle the lawsuit. Complaints that the FBI behaved too aggressively conflict with its straight-laced, crime-fighting image of starched agents hunting terrorists. During its focus on Hatfill, the FBI conducted what became known as "bumper lock surveillance," in which investigators trailed Hatfill so closely that he accused agents of running over his foot with their surveillance vehicle. FBI agents showed up once to videotape Hatfill in a hotel hallway in Tyson's Corner, Va., when Hatfill was meeting with a prospective employer, according to FBI depositions filed in Hatfill's lawsuit against the government. He didn't get the job. One of the FBI agents who helped run the anthrax investigation, Robert Roth, said FBI Director Robert Mueller had expressed frustration with the pace of the investigation. He also acknowledged that, under FBI guidelines, targets of surveillance aren't supposed to know they're being followed. "Generally, it's supposed to be covert," Roth told lawyers in Hatfill's lawsuit. In the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park bombing that dragged Jewell into the limelight, the security guard became the focus of the FBI probe for three months, after initially being hailed as a hero for moving people away from the bomb before it exploded. The bomber turned out to be anti-government extremist Eric Rudolph, who also planted three other bombs in the Atlanta area and in Birmingham, Ala. Those explosives killed a police officer, maimed a nurse and injured several other people. In another case, the FBI used as evidence the secrets that a person tells a therapist. In the Wen Ho Lee case, Lee became the focus of a federal probe into how China may have obtained classified nuclear warhead blueprints. Prosecutors eventually charged him only with mishandling nuclear data, and held him for nine months. In what amounted to a collapse of the government's case, prosecutors agreed to a plea bargain in which Lee pleaded guilty to one of 59 counts. In 2004, the FBI wrongly arrested lawyer Brandon Mayfield after the Madrid terrorist bombings, due to a misidentified fingerprint. The Justice Department's internal watchdog faulted the bureau for sloppy work. Spanish authorities had doubted the validity of the fingerprint match, but the U.S. government initiated a lengthy investigation, eventually settling with Mayfield for $2 million. ___ Associated Press writer David Dishneau contributed to this report from Hagerstown, Md. |
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| 22205 | Aug 7 2008, 02:35 AM Post #18 |
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thanks for the insight esopxe. by now of course, it should be no surprise that the feds are great at exerting pressure, some of it bordering on illegal/immoral, when it comes to "getting their man", even if that man might be innocent. of course we know all about how hatfill was put under some intense "pressure", so i wont bother with an indepth look at that. but the feds tactics in this case remind me of the case against richard jewel, the guy who was once accused and hounded by the feds for allegedly being the olympic park bomber (in atlanta years ago). here is a randomly selected look at that: "The FBI's war on Richard Jewel" (parts 1 and 2) http://www.globalpolitician.com/23616-terror http://www.globalpolitician.com/23638-terror Edited by 22205, Aug 7 2008, 02:37 AM.
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| 22205 | Aug 7 2008, 02:38 AM Post #19 |
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http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-528-M-01%20search%20warrant%20affidavit.pdf![]() i dont know what internet search they did, cuz this is all that turns up: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=goldenphoenix111@hotmail.com but this guy: http://www.truecrimereport.com/
truecrimereport points to this thread and the user "prunetacos": http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread65385/pg8 prunetacos apparently has only these posts at ATS: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/searchresults.php?cx=010913664321846374563%3Afzhl_cfnikq&cof=FORID%3A9&q=prunetacos#228 more prunetacos: http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=79951 ![]() but at ATS, the fbi/doj alleged post can NOT be found: ![]() ![]() ![]() another alleged IVINS' online identity: kingbadger7@aol.com, shows no pre-existing posts by that name: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kingbadger7@aol.com&btnG=Search but there is this paper which identifies some posts by someone using the kingbadger indentity: http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78498
but i had no luck in corroborating whats alleged by the feds in the subpeona against ivins. i find it ironic that the feds did what sounds like a public domain internet search (google?), instead of subpeonaing ivins' isp records, so that he could be directly tied to the allegations and not randomly accused by circumstantial evidence. afterall, anyone can post on the net, its hardly evidence-worthy unless someone can prove the true originating source of a particular post. whats also surprising (or NOT) is that the site in question is ATS, which has long been rumored to be a "spook-run" or a cointelpro site. admittedly however, most of the "proof" of the accusations against ATS come from one source: http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cointelpro-updates-above-top-secret.html personally, i dont like that site (ATS), and in spite of being tempted in the past to join there to defend CIT's research, i have refrained from doing so, purely based on gut instinct. finding them cited as "proof" in a case like this one (anthrax/ivins) does not relieve my concerns about who the hell really runs that site, if anything it makes them more suspect - especially since the alleged ivins' posts are gone. either they were there and removed by site admins, or the gov. is straight up lying about those alleged posts. more to come... |
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| 22205 | Aug 7 2008, 03:47 AM Post #20 |
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ivins was hospitalized on sunday night, but he died on tuesday, the 29th. the court document of the peace order states that ivins was served on the 29th: ![]() ![]() but ivins was on his deathbed on the 29th. so how was he served that day, if he was in the hospital dying? can people be served even if they are not conscious or mentally aware? i dont know the answer, but its one of many details about this case that leave me confused and/or suspicious. Edited by 22205, Aug 7 2008, 03:49 AM.
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| 22205 | Aug 7 2008, 04:04 AM Post #21 |
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Duley's mental health industry-related street-cred established 1 month before ivins' death: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:DLM7VKEvgSUJ:www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm%3FStoryID%3D76902+%22Jean+Duley%22+-anthrax+-ivins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
SUBOXONE: http://www.suboxone.com/hcp/suboxone/ http://www.drugs.com/suboxone.html http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:DWBt-g5Fn-UJ:www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DSuboxone+Suboxone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:g8x8qwsTIjMJ:druglaw.typepad.com/drug_law_blog/suboxone/index.html+Suboxone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us suboxone deaths: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Suboxone+deaths http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2002/buprenorphine-related-deaths.html http://www.opioiddependence.com/hcp/treatment/evolution_of_treatment.aspx DULEY: ![]()
pic from this article: The legal killers - Two-thirds of county’s accidental drug deaths in 2005-06 related to narcotic painkillers - published June 29, 2008 http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:qhn3r_IYmXQJ:www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm%3FstoryID%3D76901+The+legal+killers+Photo+by+Skip+Lawrence&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us Duley, the aspiring writer: http://www.writers.net/writers/6624 ![]() *** a search for "aubrey1991' - reveals a young girl as well as a young guy in england: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aubrey1991 http://www.xanga.com/aubrey1991 http://skin.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5713726684 address look up in maryland's official database: http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/details.aspx?County=11&SearchType=STREET&AccountNumber=02%20%20207583 Owner Name: JONES, ROLLO W. JR. & FATIMA D. ![]() ![]() reverse address lookup: http://www.whitepages.com/10866/search/ReverseAddress?housenumber=1330&street=hampshire&where=maryland http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fatima+jones%22+maryland&hl=en&pb=r&sa=X&oi=rwp&ct=title Fatima D Jones 1330 Hampshire Dr Frederick, MD 21702 (301) 663-5267 home sold to the Joneses by Carol Lindquist in February of 2002: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052401435_2.html
the post at the writers' site doesnt seem legit to me. anyone could post it there, and there isnt any way to figure out exactly when that posting was made. the street address doesnt connect to any duleys, jean included. plus the email address is rather odd for an older woman. the name aubrey and the year 1991 dont present any sort of 'logical' connection to duley. so i wouldnt count on that particular "connection" too much. but these documents are certainly worth a closer look: jean C. duley's alleged court documents: http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-1.jpg http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-2.jpg http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-3.jpg http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-4.jpg ![]() the handwriting in that note doesnt look like a woman's handwriting to me. but it is alleged to have been written by Jean Duley:
its shocking to see that a licensed social worker could write so poorly on so many levels: syntax, grammar, spelling, punctuation, keeping a straight line, word spacing, etc. now a court-record look at duley, thanks to the court documents which clarify that jean's middle initial is "C". jean C duley in court in maryland often: http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp ![]() ![]() searched without the C as middle initial: ![]() some random samples of the charges: against her by husband: ![]() against husband by her: ![]() ![]() other charges: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() so she is a repeat driving offendor, including a dui, some near misses on drug charges (possession and driving under the influence of), as well as comitting battery on her ex-husband. when i first came across this info, i wasnt sure i had the right DULEY. how could someone with such a background, be the one trying to offer others help? who is this woman? whats the deal with her?
some of the above court records, as well as the newspaper report, list Duley's home as being at this address in Williamsport MD: http://www.whitepages.com/10866/search/FindPerson?firstname=&name=duley&where=williamsport+md J Duley 10505 Bower Ave Williamsport, MD 21795-4001 (301) 582-2645 Find Neighbors record lookup shows the owner of that address as: http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/ http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/details.aspx?County=22&SearchType=STREET&AccountNumber=26%20%20017548 http://washco-md.net/treasurer/retax/retax_search1.aspx http://washco-md.net/treasurer/retax/result_name_dual.aspx?Name1=lindquist&Submit=View
![]() guess what? i stand corrected, there actually IS a verifiable link between that street address posted at the writer's forum and Jean Duley. Carol L Lindquist, was the person who sold the Rollo family that home (at 1330 hampshire 7E): ![]() ______________________________________________________________________ and ![]() http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052401435_2.html
wow. so whoever wrote that post at the writers' site, was either Jean Duley herself, or someone who knew about Carol Lindquist's previously owned property. if it was indeed Duley who posted at the writers' site, it suggests (to me) that Duley has lived with - and moved with - Lindquist, or at least knew and had contact with Lundquist before living at that current Williamsport address (owned by Lundquist). how else would Duley even know to list that 1330 hampshire ave 7E address at that writers' site? in her court records i did not find that address attributed to her, in spite of a wide range of addresses that she has listed to the courts in the past 15+ years. given this evidence, i withdraw my earlier assertion, i now DO believe that the posting at the writers' site was very likely written by Duley herself. so by all means, do give it real consideration. but how she came to be the crux of what supposedly brought down ivins, still doesnt make any real sense. crappy handwriting, poor spelling, a bunch of court appearances, all make for a profile of a rather unfit person to be treating and ASSESSING others. *** speaking of which, duley is NOT a social worker, she is licensed in maryland as a professional counselor/therapist: SOCIAL WORK LICENSE LOOK UP IN MD: https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/bsweverification/default.aspx (actual search) NO DULEY: https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/bsweverification/Errorpage1.aspx Board of Professional Counselors & Therapists VERIFICATION: http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/ http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/verifications.htm https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/pctVerification/default.aspx https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/pctVerification/Details.aspx?ID=7080 Full Name JEAN C. DULEY License Number SC1343 Status Active License Expiration Date 1/31/2010 Original Lic Date 11/3/2004 ![]() Overview of licensure Process http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/alcohol_overview.htm
other requirements: http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/pdf/traineeapplication.pdf http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/summary_requirements.htm ![]() so are we to believe someone with that much accreditation, cant spell "theripist"? was she even qualified to be counseling ivins? and how about her background? would she be allowed to treat someone with such a high security clearance as ivins? many questions remain... |
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| DoYouEverWonder | Aug 7 2008, 05:37 AM Post #22 |
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Reply to 22205: I'm the one who found the Duley post on the writer's forum. This link was not available via a google search. It came up only when I tried a new search engine called CUIL on Sunday morning when this story first broke. I'm glad you were able to connect the address to Duley, since I seriously doubt someone who make up such an obscure post that you would have to do some serious digging to even find. Too bad the FBI doesn't vet their sources as well as we do. |
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