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Anthrax scientist commits suicide as FBI closes in; Bruce E. Ivins dead of Tylenol overdose
Topic Started: Aug 1 2008, 04:08 AM (740 Views)
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WASHINGTON (AP) — A top U.S. biodefense researcher apparently committed suicide just as the Justice Department was about to file criminal charges against him in the anthrax mailings that traumatized the nation in the weeks following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, according to a published report.

The scientist, Bruce E. Ivins, 62, who worked for the past 18 years at the government's biodefense labs at Fort Detrick, Md., had been told about the impending prosecution, the Los Angeles Times reported for Friday editions. The laboratory has been at the center of the FBI's investigation of the anthrax attacks, which killed five people.

Ivins died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital in Maryland. The Times, quoting an unidentified colleague, said the scientist had taken a massive dose of a prescription Tylenol mixed with codeine...


read more:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gH1fcT1QrjvwIaAZTO63_lxHs9EQD929C5F00
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25961053/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080100266.html




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I am sure it was "suicide" just like the DC Madam (Google.)
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How convenient, blame the dead guy.
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i see a pattern of tying up loose ends lately, especially since bushco will be leaving office in the not-too-far future. what cant be swept under the rug with executive privilege and/or pardons, will instead be silenced with heart attacks, cancerous tumors (they say novak has one!), nooses, and tylenol.

the only question (in my mind) is when will things ever get "better"?
sadly, most days it feels like the answer is NEVER...


:-/

Edited by 22205, Aug 1 2008, 05:13 AM.
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July 4, 2008
Who Planned the Anthrax Attacks?
It's the $5,800,000 question

Justin Raimondo

The trail that leads us to the perpetrators of the anthrax letter terrorist attacks ends at Ft. Detrick, where the "Camel Club" held court. Check out this Courant story that details the incredible laxity of the security controls in place at one of the U.S. government's most sensitive military facilities – and then imagine how easy it was for the terrorists to have smuggled out anthrax and other even more lethal toxins.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=13090


Who else is a member of the 'Camel Club'?
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Wow. Camels. Anthrax. Sex Toys. Suicide. Aspirin. Death Letters. !

WTF...
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Ivins was not suicided. it was likely intentional overdose.

he was, however, hounded and pursued by FBI who made it clear they could and would ruin him.
They attempted the same with Hatfill. Ivins, unfortunately, did not hold up well under the strain. Ivins had been assisting in the germ investigation.

Ivins is not, repeat not, the anthrax mailer. if the FBI & media come to easy conclusions of "well, that wraps it up!!" -- its bullshit.

The camel club, Philip Zack, Marilyn Rippy, et all should still be considered -- esp after their lengthy attempts to insult, defame, and cast blame on an egyptian ex-colleage Dr Asaad.

google Zack, Camel Club, Assad anthrax.

also note: Zack is not jewish -- but is still a sociopath with bizarre misguided urges to defame, possibly frame arabs with clumsy efforts

RIP Dr Ivins
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tying up loose ends... indeed.

this is f'd up... the anthrax connection to 9/11 is one of the most compelling
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They learned their lesson with Hatfield, next time you want to pin the blame on someone, kill them first. Then they can't sue you for millions and win.
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the anthrax mailings & 9/11:

it is unclear if the perpetrators of the 9/11/01 bombings & mass-media terror hysteria overlapped to any degree with the perpetrator(s) of the anthrax mailings.

however, in terms of 'who benefits?' let me note

Benefit #1: mass-marketing fear to every American who owns a mailbox or gets mail

whereas 9/11/01 "terror" event imagery was largely focused on New York, DC and urban settings, the fear was spread across the country with the power of TV media.
Still, those in non-urban settings might feel "well, i dont live in a city, I am safe" --- the anthrax mailings brought terror fears to every single person who opens a letter. this was a "force/message multiplier" of the terror meme already established on 9/11

Benefit #2: demonizing Islam, again

the crude notes ended with "Death to America. Death to Israel. Allah is Great"
this was a message multiplier making americans fearful of arabs/muslims

Benefit #3: subtle messages to Sen Daschle, Leahy who were obstinately opposing Patriot Act legislation - Patriot Act later passed overwhelmingly.

Benefit #4: The public, and media, take their eye off of odd story lines of 9/11 -- less public scrutiny on 9/11 story - while the anthrax story was blowing up. "dont look here, look over there!!"

-- such as that the first hijacker list by FBI, said to be based on PASSENGER MANIFEST, included adnan bukhari and brother. awkwardly, one bukhari was already DEAD.
the list was quietly revised, and no one really noticed.

the antrax mailing had the effect of force-multiplying the "new normal" of muslim -caused terror.
critical thought and analysis went byebye


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who dunnit? assuming that all anthrax mailings were done by same person/group (unclear) it is also unclear what the motive was -- a copycat add-on? was it planned?

end of the day -- the anthrax attacks (like sniper attacks the next year) really helped spread & maintain the fear/paranoia across the country.



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this was a "force/message multiplier" of the terror meme already established on 9/11

I agree, they had everyone in a tizzy
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also note: Zack is not jewish -- but is still a sociopath with bizarre misguided urges to defame, possibly frame arabs with clumsy efforts

Jack, i bet you get called an anti-semite for that one.

The Anthrax notes are on par with the Urban Moving Systems (agents) telling cops "We're not your problem, the Palestinians are your problem." so weak, so clumsy.
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i see a pattern of tying up loose ends lately, especially since bushco will be leaving office in the not-too-far future. what cant be swept under the rug with executive privilege and/or pardons, will instead be silenced with heart attacks, cancerous tumors (they say novak has one!), nooses, and tylenol.

Perhaps Jerome Hauer will be next to commit seppaku (self disembowelment). Rudi, you should try it too. Wear one of your dresses for a more eloquent finale.

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Meet Jerome Hauer - 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment
 
Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.

On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.

Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?

Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...

Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.
http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com/2007/02/meet-jerome-hauer-911-suspect-awaiting.html

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Primary Anthrax Suspects? Jerome Hauer? Philip Zack? The Bush Regime?


Philip Zack Steals Anthrax
 
Simply put, the man most likely responsible for stealing the anthrax is Dr. Philip Zack. Zack is a prominent microbiologist who worked at the U.S. Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases in Fort Detrick, Maryland while weapons-grade Ames anthrax - the same genetic strain used to terrorize the populace - was stored there. A supposed bigot who taunted his Arab colleagues during his tenure at the facility, Zack was also monitored breaking in and conducting experiments during off hours... while no longer employed at the lab.

Zack has been a prime suspect for years - the Hartford Courant wrote a piece about missing anthrax in January 2002, and Salon pursued its own investigation later that year. Suspicion arose from an allegation against Egyptian microbiologist Ayaad Assaad, a former coworker of Zack's. Assaad was fingered anonymously as a potential bioterrorist in the aftermath of September 11 but before victims were identified. Though cleared of all charges by the FBI, the fact that Assaad's accuser knew so much about his life raised suspicions that said accusations were personally motivated. That dozens of lethal samples of anthrax, ebola and hantavirus disappeared during Zack and Assaad's watch in the 1990s only compounded misgivings that Zack was responsible.

Remember, all of this was widely reported in 2002, less than four months after anthrax filled the country with panic. You would think a man with a grudge against Arabs who was seen breaking into a facility where at least two dozen samples of lethal pathogens later went unaccounted would push Zack ahead of Dr. Stephen Hatfill on the "person of interest" list. As we all know, however, that was not the case.

So now we sit, five years later, unfulfilled and perplexed as to how our own government failed to follow up on the obvious. What's even more frustrating is that the FBI and its friends in the press are currently misleading the public about the investigation, insisting now the anthrax was not weapons grade at all! This article from last week states that the anthrax could have been a homebrew mixture capable of being made anywhere; meanwhile, this piece from yesterday obfuscates the issue and contradicts years of prior reporting. As Mike Rivero of the news source What Really Happened said in response, "what pointed the finger at Fort Detrick as the source of the Anthrax spores used in the letters was not just the high degree of 'weaponization' of the spores, but DNA tests which showed the anthrax in the letters to be the exact same strain used at Fort Detrich.
http://www.thesimon.com/magazine/articles/canon_fodder/01241_philip_zack_steals_anthrax.html


Anthrax Suspect Steven Hatfill wins $5.8 million settlement


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Preston - thanks for the links and info. the jerome hauer link is definitely pretty solid indication of some foreknowledge on hauer's part. the assad/zack thing, im not so sure. to me it seems like they were floating that red-herring around to help keep the "scary arabs" fear abuzz.

the way i see, there always had to be some inside guy at detrick, and though i wouldnt rule out zack (on his own or in collaboration with others at fort d.), i see IVINS as a pretty good candidate for having been the inside guy (he had more access to facilities than any of the other suspects so far). im not saying this bullshit about him being a deranged man hellbent on revenge is true, nor am i saying that IVINS acted alone to perpetrate the anthrax attacks. but i am saying that someone with expertise took care of the scientific procurement, packaging, and sending of the anthrax letters, and IVINS is a plausible suspect in that capacity.

but he is being setup through this duley lady. the place where she was counseling ivins at, actually belongs to a fundie who aside from being a shrink, was appointed to a panel on faith based initiatives by the jesuit-schooled nepotist - frank murkowski, governor of alaska (whose daughter is a senator).

then there is some back history to anthrax history which is noteworthy, because it shows that whoever did send the anthrax, had to have high-level knowledge of the HIJACKERS! Robert "bob" Stevens, (the first anthrax victim to die), was a photo editor at American Media, the same place where Michael Irish worked. Irish's wife, happened to be the person who helped 2 of the alleged arab hijackers find a place to live in florida.


more on all that later, with relevant links and reports all spelled out in detail...


BUT even if we take duley's words, and her words only, something still doesnt make sense. she paints a picture of a crazy man who was ready to "go out in a blaze of glory". but the man did the OPPOSITE - he went out in a silent poof! sunday is when he was hospitalized, and tuesday is when he died. apparently, ivins wasnt even "smart" or deliberate enough to choose a poison that would guarantee his immediate death, so he wasnt even that aggressive against himself. so even if we stick only to the reported "facts", he didnt shoot anyone, he didnt barricade himself in his house, he did nothing aggressive nor destructive. so this boogyman bullshit they're attributing to him doesnt fit any of the actions they have reported.

i obviously dont know any inside info (duh), so i can only speculate. BUT i wouldnt 100 percent rule out a suicide either though. perhaps he feared his wife would be hurt or victimized, maybe such a threat had even been made against him. there is a chance, however small, that the pressure or other leverage had gotten to ivins, so he chose to take himself out.

IF he had been more efficient in doing so, like with cyanide or some other toxin that he would presumably have had access to, then i would be more inclined to believe he did in fact commit suicide. but because of the sloppy method of death, and due to to the motives for wanting/needing him dead (if he was infact involved in the attacks), i say there is room for substantial doubt about how ivins' life ended.

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Anthrax-Scientist-Therapist.html
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FREDERICK, Md. (AP) -- Bruce E. Ivins, the late microbiologist suspected in the 2001 anthrax attacks, told his psychotherapist after learning he was about to be indicted that ''he was going to go out in a blaze of glory, that he was going to take everybody out with him,'' she said.

Social worker Jean C. Duley also said Ivins left her a telephone message in mid-July, after she had alerted police to his threats, telling her that that her actions had made it possible for the FBI ''to now be able to prosecute him for the murders.''

Duley testified at a Frederick County District Court hearing July 24 in a successful bid for a protective order from Ivins. The New York Times obtained a recording of the hearing and posted on its Web site Saturday.


audio:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/audio/national/20080802scientist.mp3 (DULEY court recording)




this is most likely when IVINS became a suspect, OR was chosen as a viable candidate for a patsy/fall guy:

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=144&a=7756
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“Ivins... had attracted the attention of Army officials because of anthrax contaminations that Ivins failed to report for five months,” the report said. “In sworn oral and written statements to an Army investigator, Ivins said that he had erred by keeping the episodes secret -- from December 2001 to late April 2002. He said he had swabbed and bleached more than 20 areas that he suspected were contaminated by a sloppy lab technician.

The Frederick News Post of Maryland reported the incident a few years ago.
( http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/special_sections/detrick/day1.htm )

"During a two-week period in April four years ago, officials at the Army’s lead biodefense laboratory at Fort Detrick discovered anthrax spores had escaped carefully guarded suites into the building’s unprotected areas," the News Post reported. "The breach called into question the ability of the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases to keep its deadly agents within laboratory walls seven months after the terrorism attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and the anthrax mailings that autumn.

"The 2002 incident was considered a containment breach because anthrax was found outside a containment suite, which is a group of laboratories and administrative rooms. USAMRIID uses strict security and sterilization methods to prevent the deadly agents stored inside from escaping.

Through a Freedom of Information Act request, the Frederick News Post obtained a 361-page report on the 2002 breach compiled by the U.S. Army Medical Research and Materiel Command, which oversees USAMRIID. The story focused on the anthrax breach, but contained details from the USAMRIID report about Ivins role in isolating the anthrax.

"In December 2001, a USAMRIID technician told Dr. Bruce Ivins, a microbiologist in USAMRIID’s Division of Bacteriology, that she was concerned she was exposed to anthrax spores when handling an anthrax-contaminated letter," the News Post reported, citing the lengthy government report. "USAMRIID was in the midst of processing tens of thousands of items and environmental samples to rule out anthrax contamination, including the letters mailed to Sens. Daschle and Leahy.

"Dr. Ivins, who still works in the bacteriology division but declined to comment for this story, tested the technician’s desk area that December and found growth that had the earmarks of anthrax. He decontaminated her desk, computer, keypad and monitor, but didn’t notify his superiors...Dr. Ivins told Army investigators he did the unauthorized testing because he was concerned the powder in the anthrax letters and other samples might not be adequately contained.

"He again became suspicious of contamination April 8, 2002, when two researchers reported potential exposures to anthrax after noticing flasks they were working with had leaked anthrax, crusting the outside of the glass tubes. USAMRIID officials found anthrax spores in several rooms within a conainment suite near the potential exposure. Nasal swabs from one scientist involved in the incident tested positive. The scientist had been previously vaccinated and did not contract the disease," the Frederick News Post reported.

"When the contamination was discovered, Dr. Ivins performed an unauthorized sampling of areas outside containment April 15, according to the USAMRMC report.





some history:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1365581/CIA-links-Porton-Down-to-anthrax-attacks.html
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By Ben Fenton in Washington
Last Updated: 9:39PM GMT 16 Dec 2001

THE FBI is concentrating its hunt for the source of the anthrax used to terrorise America on laboratories used by the CIA and British government scientists.

Only five laboratories, including the defence science and technology laboratories at Porton Down, Salisbury, have been found to have spores of anthrax identical to the bacteria sent through the post to two Democratic senators and news organisations in New York and Florida.

But frustrated FBI agents say they have not been able to find enough information about security at Porton Down - one of the most secretive establishments in Britain - to decide whether it could be the source of the terrorists' anthrax.

Another focus of the FBI inquiry is the CIA, which has been conducting experiments on anthrax in the interests of defence from germ warfare.

Both Porton Down, directly, and the CIA, indirectly, received their samples of the particular anthrax spores used in the attacks from the US army medical research institute of infectious diseases at Fort Detrick, about 50 miles north of Washington.

Sources in the FBI said the CIA was under investigation because of the bureau's "interest" in a contractor which used to work for the agency in its anthrax project.

The FBI believes the attacks, which have killed five people, to be the work of a domestic terrorist, although they have not ruled out links with Osama bin Laden and his al-Qa'eda network.





Porton Down mentioned again, but more importantly - this biological thumbprint (described below) is what the FBI is hinting (according to the latest update on tv as im writing this) ties IVINS directly to some of the anthrax victims:

http://www.vaccine-a.com/excerpt.html

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Dr. Bruce Ivins informed the workshop gathering in old cathedral city of Winchester that he had added three different adjuvants to his one-shot wonders. One was called "Tri-Mix," another "DeTox," and a third was "SAF-1," which stood for Syntex Adjuvant Formula I. They were all made with bacterial scraps from truly noxious microbes like Salmonella typhimurium and Mycobacteria tuberculosis. The British scientists from Porton Down tried a different tack—adding a preparation to the British anthrax vaccine made from the whooping cough germ, Bordetella pertussis. At Winchester, the Porton contingent called their approach "microbial supplementation." All of these adjuvants relied on bacteria, or portions of them, to stimulate the immune system.

The three additives used by Fort Detrick, however, differed from Porton Down's in one very significant way. The Fort Detrick additives were all emulsified in oil. The oils were only supposed to be "vehicles" that conveyed the bits of bacteria through the bloodstream. SAF-I, which provided less protection than the other two, contained the oil squalane. The two adjuvants that helped provide complete protection from Ames in guinea pigs, Tri-Mix and DeTox, were emulsified in squalene. At the time, no one at Fort Detrick or the NIH seems to have been aware that these oils were themselves immunostimulants.

Having invested decades into refining protective antigen to a singular purity, Ivins et al. were essentially polluting this new ultra-pure vaccine with extraneous antigens to make it work. That is what an adjuvant was—extra antigenic material for a vaccine that had been purified to such an extent that it could no longer do the job it was designed to do. Perhaps it was the importance of their apparent breakthrough that blinded these scientists to what they had done. Whatever it was, it prevented them from seeing the absurdity of their new creation, or its risks. A fully intact microbe presents dozens of different chemical binding sites an antibody can latch onto. Each of these sites is a separate target for a multi-front attack by the immune system. In pursuit of purity, Army scientists had removed all of the targets of anthrax germ but one. Now they had a dubious product that they were determined to improve, and they did it by adding targets from germs other than B. anthracis. Instead of adding more antigenic material from the anthrax microbe - as Lincoln had suggested in the 60s and as Turnbull and Melling had done in the 80s—the Fort Detrick team incorporated pieces of completely different germs.




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FBI used aggressive tactics in anthrax probe (Don't you just love they way that word that. I would say that what the FBI did falls under the word terrorism.)

By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080806/ap_on_go_ot/anthrax_investigation


WASHINGTON - Before killing himself last week, Army scientist Bruce Ivins told friends that government agents had stalked him and his family for months, offered his son $2.5 million to rat him out and tried to turn his hospitalized daughter against him with photographs of dead anthrax victims.

The pressure on Ivins was extreme, a high-risk strategy that has failed the FBI before. The government was determined to find the villain in the 2001 anthrax attacks; it was too many years without a solution to the case that shocked and terrified a post-9/11 nation.

The last thing the FBI needed was another embarrassment. Overreaching damaged the FBI's reputation in the high-profile investigations: the Centennial Olympic Park bombing probe that falsely accused Richard Jewell; the theft of nuclear secrets and botched prosecution of scientist Wen Ho Lee; and, in this same anthrax probe, the smearing of an innocent man — Ivins' colleague Steven Hatfill.

In the current case, Ivins complained privately that FBI agents had offered his son, Andy, $2.5 million, plus "the sports car of his choice" late last year if he would turn over evidence implicating his father in the anthrax attacks, according to a former U.S. scientist who described himself as a friend of Ivins.

Ivins also said the FBI confronted Ivins' daughter, Amanda, with photographs of victims of the anthrax attacks and told her, "This is what your father did," according to the scientist, who spoke only on condition of anonymity because their conversation was confidential.

The scientist said Ivins was angered by the FBI's alleged actions, which he said included following Ivins' family on shopping trips.

Washington attorney Barry Coburn, who represents Amanda Ivins, declined to comment on the investigation. An attorney for Andy Ivins also declined to comment.

The FBI declined to describe its investigative techniques of Ivins.

FBI official John Miller said that "what we have seen over the past few days has been a mix of improper disclosures of partial information mixed with inaccurate information and then drawn into unfounded conclusions. None of that serves the victims, their families or the public."

The FBI "always moves aggressively to get to the bottom of the facts, but that does not include mistreatment of anybody and I don't know of any case where that's happened," said former FBI deputy director Weldon Kennedy, who was with the bureau for 34 years. "That doesn't mean that from time to time people don't make mistakes," he added.

Dr. W. Russell Byrne, a friend and former supervisor of Ivins at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Md., said he had heard from other Ivins associates that investigators were going after Ivins' daughter. But Byrne said those conversations were always short because people were afraid to talk.

"The FBI had asked everybody to sign these nondisclosure things," Byrne said. "They didn't want to run afoul of the FBI."

Byrne, who retired from the lab four years ago, said FBI agents interviewed him seven to 12 times since the investigation began — and he got off easy.

"I think I'm the only person at USAMRIID who didn't get polygraphed," he said.

Byrne said he was told by people who had recently worked with Ivins that the investigation had taken an emotional toll on the researcher. "One person said he'd sit at his desk and weep," he said.

Questions about the FBI's conduct come as the government takes steps that could signal an end to its investigation. On Wednesday, FBI officials plan to begin briefing family members of victims in the 2001 attacks.

The government is expected to declare the case solved but will keep it open for now, according to two U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation. Several legal and investigatory matters need to be wrapped up before the case can officially be closed, they said.

Some questions may be answered when documents related to the case are released, as soon as Wednesday. For others, the answers may be incomplete, even bizarre. Some may simply never be answered.

It is unclear how the FBI eliminated as suspects others in the lab who had access to the anthrax. It's not clear what, if any, evidence bolsters the theory that the attacks may have been a twisted effort to test a cure for the toxin. Investigators also can't place Ivins in Princeton, N.J., when the letters were mailed from a mailbox there.

Richard Schuler, attorney for anthrax victim Robert Stevens' widow, Maureen Stevens, said his client will attend Wednesday's FBI briefing with a list of questions.

"No. 1 is, 'Did Bruce Ivins mail the anthrax that killed Robert Stevens?'" Schuler said, adding, "I've got healthy skepticism."

Critics of the bureau in and out of government say that in major cases, like the anthrax investigation, it can be difficult for the bureau to stop once it embarks on a single-minded pursuit of a suspect, with any internal dissenters shut out as disloyal subordinates.

Before the FBI focused on Ivins, its sights were set on Hatfill, whose career as a bioscientist was ruined after then-Attorney General John Ashcroft named him a "person of interest" in the probe.

Hatfill sued the agency, which recently agreed to pay Hatfill nearly $6 million to settle the lawsuit.

Complaints that the FBI behaved too aggressively conflict with its straight-laced, crime-fighting image of starched agents hunting terrorists.

During its focus on Hatfill, the FBI conducted what became known as "bumper lock surveillance," in which investigators trailed Hatfill so closely that he accused agents of running over his foot with their surveillance vehicle.

FBI agents showed up once to videotape Hatfill in a hotel hallway in Tyson's Corner, Va., when Hatfill was meeting with a prospective employer, according to FBI depositions filed in Hatfill's lawsuit against the government. He didn't get the job.

One of the FBI agents who helped run the anthrax investigation, Robert Roth, said FBI Director Robert Mueller had expressed frustration with the pace of the investigation. He also acknowledged that, under FBI guidelines, targets of surveillance aren't supposed to know they're being followed.

"Generally, it's supposed to be covert," Roth told lawyers in Hatfill's lawsuit.

In the 1996 Atlanta Olympic park bombing that dragged Jewell into the limelight, the security guard became the focus of the FBI probe for three months, after initially being hailed as a hero for moving people away from the bomb before it exploded.

The bomber turned out to be anti-government extremist Eric Rudolph, who also planted three other bombs in the Atlanta area and in Birmingham, Ala. Those explosives killed a police officer, maimed a nurse and injured several other people.

In another case, the FBI used as evidence the secrets that a person tells a therapist.

In the Wen Ho Lee case, Lee became the focus of a federal probe into how China may have obtained classified nuclear warhead blueprints. Prosecutors eventually charged him only with mishandling nuclear data, and held him for nine months. In what amounted to a collapse of the government's case, prosecutors agreed to a plea bargain in which Lee pleaded guilty to one of 59 counts.

In 2004, the FBI wrongly arrested lawyer Brandon Mayfield after the Madrid terrorist bombings, due to a misidentified fingerprint. The Justice Department's internal watchdog faulted the bureau for sloppy work. Spanish authorities had doubted the validity of the fingerprint match, but the U.S. government initiated a lengthy investigation, eventually settling with Mayfield for $2 million.

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Associated Press writer David Dishneau contributed to this report from Hagerstown, Md.


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thanks for the insight esopxe. by now of course, it should be no surprise that the feds are great at exerting pressure, some of it bordering on illegal/immoral, when it comes to "getting their man", even if that man might be innocent. of course we know all about how hatfill was put under some intense "pressure", so i wont bother with an indepth look at that.

but the feds tactics in this case remind me of the case against richard jewel, the guy who was once accused and hounded by the feds for allegedly being the olympic park bomber (in atlanta years ago). here is a randomly selected look at that:

"The FBI's war on Richard Jewel" (parts 1 and 2)
http://www.globalpolitician.com/23616-terror
http://www.globalpolitician.com/23638-terror


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http://www.usdoj.gov/amerithrax/07-528-M-01%20search%20warrant%20affidavit.pdf

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i dont know what internet search they did, cuz this is all that turns up:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=goldenphoenix111@hotmail.com


but this guy:
http://www.truecrimereport.com/

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* A separate affidavit from FBI agent Marlo Arredondo sought information about Bruce Ivins's e-mail accounts. Ivins used the following:
-- KingBadger7@aol.com
-- goldenphoenix111@hotmail.com
-- bruce.ivins@amedd.army.mil
-- and of course, jimmyflathead@yahoo.com.
According to Arredondo, Ivins used these addresses to "facilitate an obsession with a sorority group linked to the location of the anthrax mailings." Ivins also used screen names such as "Ed Ivings," "BigSky" and "prunetacos."

* Ivins, using some of the names above, posted messages at AboveTopSecret.com, an online forum devoted to discussions of conspiracy theories, the paranormal, and supernatural subjects. Ivins posted messages and began threads about the Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority. Here is a thread at AboveTopSecret.com discussing the "removal of College Fraternity Secrets Threads." Note that "prunetacos" posted in that thread about other boards where he'd discussed the Kappa Kappa Gammas. See also: a list of 50 posts left by "Prunetacos" at GreekChat.com. Many of the Greek Chat posts discuss Kappa Kappa Gamma as well.



truecrimereport points to this thread and the user "prunetacos":
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread65385/pg8

prunetacos apparently has only these posts at ATS:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/searchresults.php?cx=010913664321846374563%3Afzhl_cfnikq&cof=FORID%3A9&q=prunetacos#228


more prunetacos:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/member.php?find=lastposter&t=79951

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but at ATS, the fbi/doj alleged post can NOT be found:

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another alleged IVINS' online identity: kingbadger7@aol.com, shows no pre-existing posts by that name:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=kingbadger7@aol.com&btnG=Search

but there is this paper which identifies some posts by someone using the kingbadger indentity:
http://www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm?StoryID=78498

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At least one commenter, kingbadger7@aol.com, posted comments on the News-Post's website.

The person commented on a story published in May 2006 about a man who was detained at his Tuscarora house after he went to look for a trash can lid, which had blown off the back of his pickup truck.

The man, Dave Twigg, held a flashlight out of his truck late April 30 to search for the lid. An officer with the Department of Natural Resources then tried to stop Twigg, but Twigg continued driving until he reached a lighted area -- his driveway.

The officer threatened to charge Twigg for fleeing and eluding a police officer and illegally hunting deer by blinding them with bright lights, according to the article. kingbadger7@aol.com wrote:

- "I've known Dave Twigg for a long time, and he's a great, honest, law-abiding guy. The DNR agent was more than a bit over-reactive and (testosteronal) in what he did to Dave ... Dave should sue the DNR and the officer involved for what happened."

- "Great ... that's all that night predators need to know: That they can stop anybody, anywhere, for practically any reason and say that they're 'DNR.' Dave Twigg wasn't running from anybody, so the 'attempting to flee' charge is completely bogus — What's next? Arresting kids who have flashlights and are looking in their yard for nightcrawlers?"

- " ... you can go online and purchase 'police car' lights for your vehicle. Scary, huh? Knowing that, how many of us would tell our loved ones to stop at night on deserted roads when unmarked, supposed police cars flashed their lights? As to comment in the previous post about 'salivating lawyers,' I think that the DNR officer's actions would cause many reasonable people to consult an attorney."

After reading an article written about the movie The Da Vinci Code after its release in May 2006, kingbadger7@aol.com commented:

- "Just as 'Ben Hur' and 'Touched by an Angel' were fictional, so The Da Vinci Code is fictional. It's not theology or history, it's a fictional suspense thriller. We were taught in gradeschool that Jesus was 'a man like us in all ways but sin.' So Jesus being fictionally given a wife would make him sinful? Please!"

- "I just finished watching the first showing of The Da Vinci Code at the Westview theaters. It was a good, fast-paced, suspenseful movie. I recommend it, but people should read the book first, so that they can follow it more easily. (It moves VERY fast.) I didn't see any protesters, thank goodness."

- "I saw it also, Erika, and I enjoyed it thoroughly. People forget that the movie and the book are FICTION. The Da Vinci Codes's supposed blasphemy is that Jesus was a Jewish man with a Jewish wife and she bore him a child. Did Jesus sweat? Did he have cavities or get sick? Did he 'go to the bathroom?' We were taught that he was (a) person like us in all ways but sin, so having sexual relations with one's spouse doesn't seem sinful."


but i had no luck in corroborating whats alleged by the feds in the subpeona against ivins. i find it ironic that the feds did what sounds like a public domain internet search (google?), instead of subpeonaing ivins' isp records, so that he could be directly tied to the allegations and not randomly accused by circumstantial evidence. afterall, anyone can post on the net, its hardly evidence-worthy unless someone can prove the true originating source of a particular post.

whats also surprising (or NOT) is that the site in question is ATS, which has long been rumored to be a "spook-run" or a cointelpro site. admittedly however, most of the "proof" of the accusations against ATS come from one source:

http://laura-knight-jadczyk.blogspot.com/2006/01/cointelpro-updates-above-top-secret.html

personally, i dont like that site (ATS), and in spite of being tempted in the past to join there to defend CIT's research, i have refrained from doing so, purely based on gut instinct. finding them cited as "proof" in a case like this one (anthrax/ivins) does not relieve my concerns about who the hell really runs that site, if anything it makes them more suspect - especially since the alleged ivins' posts are gone. either they were there and removed by site admins, or the gov. is straight up lying about those alleged posts.



more to come...


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ivins was hospitalized on sunday night, but he died on tuesday, the 29th.
the court document of the peace order states that ivins was served on the 29th:


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but ivins was on his deathbed on the 29th. so how was he served that day, if he was in the hospital dying? can people be served even if they are not conscious or mentally aware? i dont know the answer, but its one of many details about this case that leave me confused and/or suspicious.



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Duley's mental health industry-related street-cred established 1 month before ivins' death:

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:DLM7VKEvgSUJ:www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm%3FStoryID%3D76902+%22Jean+Duley%22+-anthrax+-ivins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
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Suboxone provides promising treatment for prescription addicts
Originally published June 29, 2008

The lifestyles of Jean Duley's clients run the gamut: long-time street drug users, those who were prescribed powerful painkillers after an injury or operation and are now addicted, and middle-class housewives who abuse prescriptions, to name a few.

"Prescription drug abuse is the biggest kept secret," said Duley, program director at Comprehensive Counseling Associates in Frederick. "It's a lot more prevalent than people can imagine."

In December, Comprehensive Counseling became one of three practices in Frederick County to prescribe suboxone, which Duley calls a "miracle drug" for those addicted to pain medication. The center now prescribes suboxone to about 50 clients
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Suboxone is a partial opioid agonist, containing enough buprenorphine (an opioid) to eliminate cravings and symptoms of withdrawal. The pill also contains naloxone, an opioid antagonist, which blocks the user's ability to get high on any other drug, Duley said.

Clients usually come to the center for suboxone in the midst of withdrawal, and with regular treatment, clients have gone from "living a nightmare, to feeling like they have a brain for the first time in a long time," said Dr. Allan Levy, a psychiatrist at Comprehensive Counseling.

Duley said while some people lie about the severity of their pain to acquire their abused prescriptions legally, physicians themselves can fuel prescription addiction. Some prescribe increasing strengths of painkillers and then abruptly stop after patients have already become dependent, forcing them to get their fixes from either prescriptions sold on the street or illegal drugs like heroin.

Others prescribe painkillers too loosely. Duley said some of the center's suboxone clients have Percocet "handed to them like candy for every little ache and pain -- it's a culture of doctors not paying attention. The worst is OxyContin. That drug -- is so highly addictive, it's so difficult to come off of."

Some people can stop taking suboxone after a few months, but most continue for as much as a year before weaning themselves off, Levy said. For others, it becomes a lifelong maintenance drug.

While suboxone addresses the neurological aspect of addiction, Duley said giving medication without regular therapy defeats the drug's purpose. She facilitates a support group at the center three times a week, and suboxone users are asked to attend at least once a week.

"They usually have all kinds of issues going on at the same time (as the addiction)," Duley said, including problems with employment, family and mental health. "You have to address the whole piece. The drug alone doesn't work by itself."
And all addiction treatments should revolve around the key factor -- a person's health, Duley said.

"(Beating addiction) is a complicated issue, but it's very doable," she said. "It's not a moral issue, it's not a criminal issue, it's a health issue."



SUBOXONE:
http://www.suboxone.com/hcp/suboxone/
http://www.drugs.com/suboxone.html
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:DWBt-g5Fn-UJ:www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DSuboxone+Suboxone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:g8x8qwsTIjMJ:druglaw.typepad.com/drug_law_blog/suboxone/index.html+Suboxone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us

suboxone deaths:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Suboxone+deaths
http://www.jointogether.org/news/headlines/inthenews/2002/buprenorphine-related-deaths.html
http://www.opioiddependence.com/hcp/treatment/evolution_of_treatment.aspx



DULEY:

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caption: Jean Duley, BSW, CSC-AD, displays a bottle of the addiction treatment drug Suboxone at Comprehensive Counseling Associates.


pic from this article:
The legal killers - Two-thirds of county’s accidental drug deaths in 2005-06 related to narcotic painkillers - published June 29, 2008
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:qhn3r_IYmXQJ:www.fredericknewspost.com/sections/news/display.htm%3FstoryID%3D76901+The+legal+killers+Photo+by+Skip+Lawrence&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us




Duley, the aspiring writer:

http://www.writers.net/writers/6624

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a search for "aubrey1991' - reveals a young girl as well as a young guy in england:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=aubrey1991
http://www.xanga.com/aubrey1991
http://skin.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5713726684



address look up in maryland's official database:
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/details.aspx?County=11&SearchType=STREET&AccountNumber=02%20%20207583
Owner Name: JONES, ROLLO W. JR. & FATIMA D.

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reverse address lookup:
http://www.whitepages.com/10866/search/ReverseAddress?housenumber=1330&street=hampshire&where=maryland
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22fatima+jones%22+maryland&hl=en&pb=r&sa=X&oi=rwp&ct=title

Fatima D Jones
1330 Hampshire Dr
Frederick, MD 21702
(301) 663-5267


home sold to the Joneses by Carol Lindquist in February of 2002:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052401435_2.html
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HAMPSHIRE DR., 1330, No. 7E-Carol L. Lindquist to Fatima D. and Rollo W. Jones Jr., $240,000



the post at the writers' site doesnt seem legit to me. anyone could post it there, and there isnt any way to figure out exactly when that posting was made. the street address doesnt connect to any duleys, jean included. plus the email address is rather odd for an older woman. the name aubrey and the year 1991 dont present any sort of 'logical' connection to duley. so i wouldnt count on that particular "connection" too much. but these documents are certainly worth a closer look:


jean C. duley's alleged court documents:
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-1.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-2.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-3.jpg
http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/jean-duley-court-doc-4.jpg


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the handwriting in that note doesnt look like a woman's handwriting to me. but it is alleged to have been written by Jean Duley:

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Even before his death, court records obtained by ABC News from the District Court of Maryland for Frederick County paint a picture of a man who had recently been displaying the effects of that pressure.

A social worker named Jean Duley had filed a protection order against Ivins last month, alleging that he had made "threats of homicidal intent" in mid-July. The court documents also indicate that Ivins had been admitted to a hospital in the area and was under psychiatric care.

"Client has a history dating to his graduate days of homicidal threats, actions, plans threats & actions toward therapist [sic]. Dr. David Irwin his psychiatrist called him homicidal, sociopathic, with clear intentions," a handwritten page submitted with the application stated.

"Will testify with other details FBI involved, currently under investigation & will be charged w/ 5 capital murders. I have been subpoena [sic] to testify before a federal grand jury August 1, 2008 in Washington, D.C."

source: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5494971




its shocking to see that a licensed social worker could write so poorly on so many levels: syntax, grammar, spelling, punctuation, keeping a straight line, word spacing, etc.



now a court-record look at duley, thanks to the court documents which clarify that jean's middle initial is "C".


jean C duley in court in maryland often:
http://casesearch.courts.state.md.us/inquiry/inquiry-index.jsp

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searched without the C as middle initial:

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against her by husband:
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so she is a repeat driving offendor, including a dui, some near misses on drug charges (possession and driving under the influence of), as well as comitting battery on her ex-husband. when i first came across this info, i wasnt sure i had the right DULEY. how could someone with such a background, be the one trying to offer others help? who is this woman? whats the deal with her?

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A judge granted the petition, ordering Ivins stay away from Duley's home, work and not to contact her, but the court officially dismissed the case Thursday because of Ivins' death.

According to the source familiar with the case, a police officer filled out the paperwork not to secure the order, but rather to get an emergency evaluation for Ivins. Duley, who worked in Ivins' psychiatrist's office, recounted what Ivins said in the course of therapy to the officer, the source said.

ABC News attempted to speak to Duley at her Williamsport, Md., home Friday, but a man who answered the door would not identify himself, confirm that Duley lives at the residence or comment on the information contained in the court documents.

source: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5494971



some of the above court records, as well as the newspaper report, list Duley's home as being at this address in Williamsport MD:

http://www.whitepages.com/10866/search/FindPerson?firstname=&name=duley&where=williamsport+md
J Duley
10505 Bower Ave
Williamsport, MD 21795-4001
(301) 582-2645
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record lookup shows the owner of that address as:
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/
http://sdatcert3.resiusa.org/rp_rewrite/details.aspx?County=22&SearchType=STREET&AccountNumber=26%20%20017548
http://washco-md.net/treasurer/retax/retax_search1.aspx
http://washco-md.net/treasurer/retax/result_name_dual.aspx?Name1=lindquist&Submit=View

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Owner Name: LINDQUIST CAROL L
Mailing Address: 5100 DORSET AVE APT 104 CHEVY CHASE MD 20815-5460


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guess what? i stand corrected, there actually IS a verifiable link between that street address posted at the writer's forum and Jean Duley. Carol L Lindquist, was the person who sold the Rollo family that home (at 1330 hampshire 7E):

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/24/AR2006052401435_2.html
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7E-Carol L. Lindquist to Fatima D. and Rollo W. Jones Jr., $240000



wow. so whoever wrote that post at the writers' site, was either Jean Duley herself, or someone who knew about Carol Lindquist's previously owned property. if it was indeed Duley who posted at the writers' site, it suggests (to me) that Duley has lived with - and moved with - Lindquist, or at least knew and had contact with Lundquist before living at that current Williamsport address (owned by Lundquist). how else would Duley even know to list that 1330 hampshire ave 7E address at that writers' site? in her court records i did not find that address attributed to her, in spite of a wide range of addresses that she has listed to the courts in the past 15+ years.

given this evidence, i withdraw my earlier assertion, i now DO believe that the posting at the writers' site was very likely written by Duley herself. so by all means, do give it real consideration. but how she came to be the crux of what supposedly brought down ivins, still doesnt make any real sense. crappy handwriting, poor spelling, a bunch of court appearances, all make for a profile of a rather unfit person to be treating and ASSESSING others.


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speaking of which, duley is NOT a social worker, she is licensed in maryland as a professional counselor/therapist:

SOCIAL WORK LICENSE LOOK UP IN MD:
https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/bsweverification/default.aspx (actual search)
NO DULEY: https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/bsweverification/Errorpage1.aspx


Board of Professional Counselors & Therapists
VERIFICATION:
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/verifications.htm
https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/pctVerification/default.aspx
https://mdbnc.dhmh.md.gov/pctVerification/Details.aspx?ID=7080

Full Name JEAN C. DULEY License Number SC1343 Status Active License Expiration Date 1/31/2010 Original Lic Date 11/3/2004

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Overview of licensure Process
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/alcohol_overview.htm

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4. Education – Official transcripts from an accredited college or university must be included with the application. There are 3 tiers for certification:

CPC-AD – Master’s degree (60) graduate credits or 90-quarter credits or Doctorate (90) graduate credits or 135-quarter credits in Health and Human Services counseling field from an accredited college. 25 credits in alcohol and drug counseling and 3credits in ethics with a focus on alcohol and drug counseling. (Note: 25 alcohol and drug credits and ethics course may be at the undergraduate level)

CAC-AD - Bachelor’s degree in Health or Human Services counseling field from an accredited college. 20 credits in alcohol and drug counseling and 1 -credit in ethics with a focus on alcohol and drug counseling.

CSC-AD – Associates degree in Health or Human Services counseling field from an accredited college. 15 credits in alcohol and drug counseling and 1- credit in ethics of alcohol and drug counseling.
5. Required Supervised Clinical Experience –

CPC-AD – 3 years with 2,000 hours, 2 years after awarding of degree

CAC-AD – 3 years with 2,000 hours, 2 years after awarding of BA degree

CSC-AD – 2 years with 2,000 hours, 1 year after awarding of AA degree
6. Examination – CPC-AD Applicants must pass the Examination for Masters Addiction Counselors (EMAC) and the State Law Test. The law test is given on the same day as the EMAC. The EMAC is given four (4) times during the year: January, April, July and October.

CAC-AD and CSC-AD Applicants must pass the examination developed by International Certification and Reciprocity Consortium/Alcohol and Other Drug Abuse (ICRC/AODA) and the Maryland Law Test. The ICRC is given two (2) times during the year: March and September. The Law test is given monthly at the Board’s office. You must pass the ICRC before taking the Law Test.


other requirements:
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/pdf/traineeapplication.pdf
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/bopc/bopcweb/html/summary_requirements.htm

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so are we to believe someone with that much accreditation, cant spell "theripist"? was she even qualified to be counseling ivins? and how about her background? would she be allowed to treat someone with such a high security clearance as ivins?


many questions remain...
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I'm the one who found the Duley post on the writer's forum.

This link was not available via a google search.

It came up only when I tried a new search engine called CUIL on Sunday morning when this story first broke.

I'm glad you were able to connect the address to Duley, since I seriously doubt someone who make up such an obscure post that you would have to do some serious digging to even find. Too bad the FBI doesn't vet their sources as well as we do.


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