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| Chilling Audio In CeeCee Lyles Call | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 01:06 PM (1,839 Views) | |
| mynameis | Jul 26 2008, 01:06 PM Post #1 |
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I wonder if the call could be traced to her phone? I don't know if the call is consoling or not. I think the background audio could be isolated and amplified. It sounds like an air phone. Edit: I mean the additional voice, which is not CeeCee's as the one for consoling. Also found here. http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/United_Airlines_Flight_93_-_Phone_calls Edit: Her calling the machine might have a lot to do with the impersonal tone of voice inflection? Edited by mynameis, Jul 26 2008, 01:57 PM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 26 2008, 01:45 PM Post #2 |
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i dont know what to make of this.......... Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Jul 26 2008, 01:45 PM.
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| JFK | Jul 26 2008, 02:21 PM Post #3 |
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I just listened to my copy of that aquired from this .swf presentation - http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html - and I am not hearing that. 
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| mynameis | Jul 26 2008, 02:35 PM Post #4 |
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New questions still no answers....now I'm concerned...  Edit: I can hear it, but it's barely audible. It comes a little after the first few crackles of her putting the phone down. Edited by mynameis, Jul 26 2008, 02:52 PM.
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| 22205 | Jul 26 2008, 05:41 PM Post #5 |
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on a related sidenote (interview with lyles' husband): (especially at 2:00 to 2:13 of the video) ps - note to shoestring: is that your youtube channel? if so, do you have access to the rest of the source video ("Portrait of Courage: The Untold Story of Flight 93")? if so, any chance you could upload the entire interview with CeeCee's husband? i would be much obliged if you could upload or direct me to it. thanks. Edited by 22205, Jul 26 2008, 05:42 PM.
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| mynameis | Jul 26 2008, 07:26 PM Post #6 |
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I am not the person hosting the video on youtube if that helps? Maybe you could pm him about posting up the whole interview? |
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| SPreston | Jul 26 2008, 08:58 PM Post #7 |
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CeeCee sounded rather panicky at the end of her call. Maybe she noticed the hitman reloading his weapon. Gee where are all the trolls promising us that they can guarantee that this call was definitely made from Flt 93 just before it was shot do...... ummmm just before the heroic passengers tried to retake the aircraft from the handsome dudes with the red bandanas, and just before it dived straight down into the teensey hole in the coal strip mine in Shanksville, where incidently a perfect red bandana was recovered already cleaned and pressed. Well golly gee, CeeCee Lyle's alleged Florida driver's license was recovered too, and it also is in almost perfect shape. A miracle? Very poorly thought-out evidence planting? Maybe one of you sorry FBI agents should have scorched it a little with your lighter before planting it. Click me  Red bandanas? The holy color of Islam is GREEN, not red. The Prophet Mohammed's disapproval of the color red on Muslim men is shown in the Hadiths. Click me    
Edited by SPreston, Jul 27 2008, 06:26 AM.
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| JackD | Jul 27 2008, 12:51 PM Post #8 |
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whispered....("you did great!...") |
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| Bernie big shorts | Jul 28 2008, 12:13 PM Post #9 |
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I can accept that it is a woman's voice whispering 'you did great'. This seems like a perfectly normal thing a passenger would say in this situation. She calmly relayed her message of love to her family without losing control. You can hear her voice crack at the end of the call as the emotion is quite understandably overcoming her. It seems quite clear to me if i was sat next to this passenger and she had to make this most agonizing phone call i would console her by saying 'you did great' or something similar. At one point she says 'tell the kids i'm sorry...' and then stops and changes tack as if it's too painful to say 'i may not be around'. It was extremely difficult for me to listen to that call. I can't understand how people can play around with these things. I object to the allegations of this video strongly. This woman's family may come across this during an internet search and it makes some unfounded and wild claims. It would be extremely hurtful to hear the personal phone message of my mother/wife/daughter being used to make cheap and unintelligible points. Some of the questions like 'how did she know about the twin towers' are so obvious i find it hard to believe the makers aren't aware of the answers. The allegations on the second video are simply ridiculous, i could make any distortion sound like a sentence, and the sentences they imply are being said don't even make sense. I can't understand how someone could turn the caring tone of a fellow female passenger into the voice of a terrorist with a gun against a passengers head making them read a script. It really is baffling and a touch disturbing that someone could think like this. SPreston says "CeeCee sounded rather panicky at the end of her call. Maybe she noticed the hitman reloading his weapon." Surely there is a more obvious reason that she sounded emotional at the end of the call, she had to tell her husband that she hoped she would see his face again, which suggests she feared she wouldn't. SPreston also says "Gee where are all the trolls promising us that they can guarantee that this call was definitely made from Flt 93 just before it was shot do......" I can't guarantee you but i see no reason to doubt that this was the call she made to her husband before the passengers overpowered the terrorists. I see nothing unusual that lightweight material like paper and fabric would have survived the crash. I think people should be really sensitive when discussing these phone calls. |
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| look-up | Jul 28 2008, 01:36 PM Post #10 |
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None of which contradicts the theory that the calls were somewhat scripted and may not have originated from within the plane (and in the air). All of those characteristics could just as easily have come from a hangar with a bunch of phones and people coaching the victims before they were killed. . We ain't playin. This is life or death. Don't accuse us of doing this for ammusement EVER again. That is your only warning.
Your opinion is noted. None of us said we subscribe to every point made in these videos either. Not only that, but offending someone is no reason to keep from being honest. The maker of this video is expressing themselves honestly, whether or not they are 100% correct.
Opinion noted. But since the phone calls are physically impossible to make from the alleged altitudes, we need to search for other explanations. The fact that those alternative explanations are not comforting to you, is of no concern to any serious investigator. You don't stop looking for the truth just because people complain about it.
You are not being sensitive just because you support the official story. |
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| Bernie big shorts | Jul 28 2008, 02:11 PM Post #11 |
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Look-up,
I never accused anyone here of anything, i expressed my disbelief that someone could produce such a video that is full of obvious questions and baseless allegations when it concerns such a personal tragedy.
I find it hard to believe that someone who is capable enough to make this video could not work out how she knew planes had flown into the towers. I will accept that it is possible but i find it hard to believe.
The large majority of phone calls were made from air phones and the few cell calls that connected were from a workable altitude.
I agree with this, my feelings shouldn't come into it, the evidence should speak for itself.
I also agree with this, there are many people in the truth movement who are caring and sensitive, and people who support the official story that are cold and callous. This video is an example of someone in the truth movement who is being insensitive in my opinion. |
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| look-up | Jul 28 2008, 02:34 PM Post #12 |
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Thanks for the clarifications. "The large majority of phone calls were made from air phones and the few cell calls that connected were from a workable altitude." Didn't they change this story a bunch of times too? I recall many different officialversions of events, concerning the calls. I don't have them all memorized... sorry. |
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| JackD | Jul 28 2008, 03:32 PM Post #13 |
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prior to 9/11, a telecom exercise was run, using spoofed calls from cell phones, purporting to be from planes. the phone call meme was scripted, and part of the psyop- and part of the exercise/drill routine. voice morphing technology does not permit any real ID of the caller. the giveaway is that CeeCee's husband said that her number/name came up on display of caller ID that means its not from AirFone. that means its not from a plane (extremely improbable connection) that means call came from ?? ground location. the fact that CeeCee, or whoever, did not hang up, but left line open, is incredible. that is what a sharp, alert, flight attendant might do. how-when-from-where calls made is unclear. but they werent made from plane - unless maybe Ed Felt's. |
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| look-up | Jul 28 2008, 03:49 PM Post #14 |
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I guess the one thing that makes me wonder if we're on the right track is that if the plane was shot down (as some suggest) by a rogue commander who followed his military oath instead of the stand down order, then that would mean that there was no advanced knowledge of the 9/11 perps that they would NEED to fake calls. That part doesn't add up. How could they know they needed to fake them and portray the "Let's Roll" story if they didn't know this guy would order it shot down? |
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| DoYouEverWonder | Jul 28 2008, 04:14 PM Post #15 |
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CeeCee Lyle allegedly made two phone calls. The first call she left a message on her answering machine at home. The second phone call, her husband answered and spoke to her. In his video interview, he clearly says she called him from her cell phone, because he recognized her number when he picked up the phone. So that rules out the air phone excuse. Edited by DoYouEverWonder, Jul 28 2008, 04:21 PM.
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| honway | Jul 28 2008, 04:28 PM Post #16 |
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www.historycommons.org/en...nett&printerfriendly=true 9:27 a.m. September 11, 2001: Flight 93 Passenger Tom Burnett Calls Wife Using Cell Phone; Reports that His Plane Has Been Hijacked Tom Burnett, a passenger on board Flight 93, calls his wife Deena Burnett at their home in San Ramon, California. (Longman 2002, pp. 106-107) She looks at the caller ID and recognizes the number as being that of his cell phone. She asks him if he is OK, and he replies: “No, I’m not. I’m on an airplane that’s been hijacked.” He says, “They just knifed a guy,” and adds that this person was a passenger. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I believe it is very significant that Deena Burnett maintains Tom Burnett called her from his cell phone. At the time of two of the calls, United 93 was at 35,000 feet or above, according to the FDR data released. Since every expert in the world will tell you it is a physical impossibility for a cell phone to function at 35,000 feet in an airplane traveling at over 450 miles per hour, the government claims Deena Burnett is wrong and the calls came from a GTE Airphone. Who are you going to believe? The folks that found a hijacker's passport in the rubble of the WTC but no black boxes or the wife of a victim? |
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| honway | Jul 28 2008, 04:30 PM Post #17 |
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As far as Tom Burnett's calls, according to the government there were three: Comparing the reported times to the government released FDR data,we have: 9:30 .......28 seconds.......35,000 feet 9:37........62 seconds.......39,000 feet 9:44........54 seconds.......24,000 feet. |
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| honway | Jul 28 2008, 04:37 PM Post #18 |
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The Marriott Rewards card endured the crash, but the very substantial landing gear completely vaporized. There is not a fair minded, reasonable person on this planet that believes that is possible. 
Edited by honway, Jul 28 2008, 04:38 PM.
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| JFK | Jul 28 2008, 04:46 PM Post #19 |
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http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/flights/P200055.html  
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| honway | Jul 28 2008, 04:49 PM Post #20 |
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"She looks at the caller ID and recognizes the number as being that of his cell phone." Who are you going to believe, Deena Burnett, or the guys that think you are stupid enough to believe a passport from a hijacker was found in the WTC rubble? This lie was so apparent, the 9/11 Commission dropped it like a hot potato and it was never mentioned at the Moussaoui trial. Ask yourself, why would the 9/11 Commission never mention a hijacker's passport being found at the WTC crashsite? Answer: New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik lied to you and the world. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/inv.investigation.terrorism/index.html New arrest warrants issued in terrorism probe September 17, 2001 Posted: 7:24 AM EDT (1124 GMT) -- New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said Sunday a passport belonging to one of the hijackers was discovered a few days ago several blocks from the crash site by a passerby. Based on the new evidence, the FBI and police decided to widen the search area beyond the immediate crash site. |
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| SPreston | Jul 28 2008, 05:39 PM Post #21 |
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No they were not. Tom Burnett's cell phone calls showing his wife the caller-ID would have been made at high altitude at cruising speed and would have been impossible. Those alleged calls were made long before the alleged crash into to the teensey hole in the coal mining strip at Shanksville. Former police officer CeeCee Lyle's police officer husband Lorne testified that her call came from her cell phone via caller-ID at 9:58. Flight 93 allegedly crashed at 10:03:11 over 5 minutes later at 563 mph allegedly diving almost vertically into the ground. Are you calling him a liar? That cell phone call could not have been made from that aircraft at cruising speed.
CeeCee Lyle's alleged GTE airphone call at 9:47 and text
Burnett's cell phone calls were made at high altitude and at cruising speed. These cell phone calls were impossible proving that all the phone calls were made from ground level at a stationary location. CeeCee Lyles as a flight attendent and former police officer deliberately left her phone line open, likely hoping it would help ensure justice for her imminent murder.
While it might be true that the person holding the gun to CeeCee Lyles head forcing her to read a script might be called a terrorist, not one of us have inferred that we believe that person would be a 'terrorist hijacker'. That person would be an executioner carrying out the 9-11 psyops mission. In fact many of us believe there were no 'hijackers' on any of the four 9-11 aircraft. Edited by SPreston, Jul 28 2008, 05:47 PM.
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| Bernie big shorts | Jul 28 2008, 06:50 PM Post #22 |
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The information from the Moussaoui trial showed that Tom Burnett made the high altitude call from an air phone. Out of 37 calls only 2 were made from cell phones and this was when the plane was below 5,000 feet. The two cell phone calls were Edward Felts and Cee Cee Lyles at 9.58. Deena Burnett's memory of the caller ID is a very insignificant detail considering the context of the day and i expect she may have either misremembered that detail or the fourth call that she remembers but there is no record of may have been this cell call around 9.58. |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 28 2008, 07:30 PM Post #23 |
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thats absolutely ridiculous. i can't see me or my wife or anyone i know for that matter telling someone they 'did great' after making a phone call to their loved ones even if it might be the last one they ever make. it doesn't make sense. i didn't know what to make of this but if this is going to be the argument against whether or not its authentic i think i just got knocked off the fence...... what i thought was the real smoking gun was her confirmation of tom [the hijackers have gun(s?)] burnett's claim that there were only 3 hijackers. this nonsense that ziad jarrah was in the cockpit has no evidence to support it what so ever. especially after reports of terrorists hijacking planes messages are sent to the planes, 2 of which went to flight 93 before the hijack started and yet the door was never secured(?). seems to me someone would have had to have a gun at the minimum in order to get inside of that cockpit after it received 2 warnings of multiple events already taking place. but i don't know.....you're doing a good job of convincing me its a fake call...........
on a side note i do agree with you there. is there something anomalous/odd in the call? absolutely. does that support any claims of gun shot executions? absolutely not. Edited by Domenick DiMaggio, Jul 28 2008, 07:32 PM.
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 28 2008, 07:42 PM Post #24 |
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originally all the calls were said to have been made from cell phones. by the time the moussaoui trial rolled around every call except for this one and ed felt's were made via airphones. incidentally enough even though ed's phone call was to 911, recorded, & confiscated by the fbi they do not make not of its [78 seconds] length in the official record. but thats another topin in and of itself.... |
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| Domenick DiMaggio | Jul 28 2008, 07:52 PM Post #25 |
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thats fascinating because according to tom burnett family foundation.org tom made 4 phone calls.....
now i can make notes about each comment but i dont want to get off topic. the burnett family says tom made 4 cell phone calls and the government says he made 3 airphone calls........someone is fibbing. |
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