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| Religious Charities as Terrorist Fronts; What's good for the goose... | |
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| Topic Started: Jan 17 2008, 09:49 PM (760 Views) | |
| Hetware | Jan 17 2008, 09:49 PM Post #1 |
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Remember this?
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| arbor | Jan 17 2008, 10:09 PM Post #2 |
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Is this an intentional lie? Larry Silverstein is a non-voting member of the Board of Directors of the UJA. http://www.ujafedny.org/site/c.ggLUI0OzGpF/b.2055643/k.A700/Our_Leadership.htm "Ofcourse its not an intentional lie!! Its just a mistake." Right. And Bush simply made a mistake when he said there were WMDs in Iraq. |
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| Hetware | Jan 17 2008, 10:45 PM Post #3 |
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My information says that he was the Chairman. I don't know when he stopped serving in that role. The reason I didn't add the word "fomer" was simply because I was trying to cut down on text in the caption. If you bothered to follow the links, there is plenty of clarification available. |
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| arbor | Jan 17 2008, 11:29 PM Post #4 |
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your caption read "chairman". that is present tense. now, whats wrong with the UJA? they send kids to camp and feed hungry people. are you also against the Salvation Army? |
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| Hetware | Jan 17 2008, 11:43 PM Post #5 |
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Do leading members of the Salvation Army commit mass murder? |
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| arbor | Jan 18 2008, 09:01 AM Post #6 |
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please list the leading members of the UJA who have been found guilty of mass murder in a court of law. you do believe in "innocent until proven guilty" don't you? it is one of the foundations of our justice system and democracy. God help this nation when that changes. |
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| IVXX | Jan 18 2008, 09:14 AM Post #7 |
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You hold the same standard for Osama Bin laden?? |
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| arbor | Jan 18 2008, 05:50 PM Post #8 |
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Osama took credit for the attacks several times. But yes, he should have his day in court. As should have Hitler, Stalin, and Mao. But back to the topic. Why is a good organization like the UJA, which only tries to help people, being attacked? Who is next, Habitat for Humanity? The Red Cross? Amnesty International? Jeeeez. Edited by arbor, Jan 18 2008, 06:03 PM.
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| Hetware | Jan 19 2008, 03:10 PM Post #9 |
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Usama bin Laden never claimed responsibility for the attacks, and repeatedly denied any involvement. The videos produced by Rita Katz and SITE are complete frauds. |
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| arbor | Jan 19 2008, 03:17 PM Post #10 |
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"repeatedly" denied involvemant? please provide further information as to these "numerous" denials of involvemant. lol. |
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| Hetware | Jan 21 2008, 05:34 AM Post #11 |
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The burden of proof is on the accuser. You show any evidence that UBL claimed responsibility. It really isn't hard to find an authentic bin Laden interview if you try. |
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| arbor | Jan 21 2008, 10:08 AM Post #12 |
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Did you not see the video where he says he estimated the damage the planes would create and expected only the section above the impacts to collapse? |
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| Stundie | Jan 21 2008, 11:41 AM Post #13 |
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What did the FBI have to say about Bin Laden being wanted for the 9/11 attacks again?? Rex Tomb of the FBI's public affairs unit said, "The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Osama bin Laden's Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11". On 16 September 2001, OBL read a statement later broadcast by Qatar's Al Jazeera saying: "I stress that I have not carried out this act, which appears to have been carried out by individuals with their own motivation" As for the so called confession..... On 20 December 2001, German TV channel "Das Erste" broadcast its analysis of the White House's translation of the videotape of OB confession. On the show Monitor, two independent translators and an expert on oriental studies found the White House's translation to be not only inaccurate, but also "manipulative". Arabist Dr. Abdel El M. Husseini, one of the translators, stated: "I have carefully examined the Pentagon's translation. This translation is very problematic. At the most important places where it is held to prove the guilt of bin Laden, it is not identical with the Arabic." So where is the evidence to show OBL guilt then Arbor?? |
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| Hetware | Jan 21 2008, 01:47 PM Post #14 |
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Yes, I have seen the video that bin Laden allegedly had made allegedly showing him allegedly boasting of the crimes. It's the biggest crock of shit thus far promulgated on the world in the 21st century. |
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| arbor | Jan 21 2008, 04:35 PM Post #15 |
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well, let me ask you. why do you consider the video where he takes credit bogus, but consider the message where he admits no guilt genuine? |
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| Hetware | Jan 23 2008, 01:38 AM Post #16 |
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Because the videos are obvious frauds. The guy is mega-rich, and all of a sudden, for his alleged pinnacle performance, he decides to use 70s vintage video equipment. Get a clue. That is nonsense.
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| Gideon524 | Jan 23 2008, 02:30 AM Post #17 |
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Oh, you didn't know?
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I wouldn't necessarily call that video, if it is indeed legit, "claiming responsibility". Claiming responsibility would be to go public with your admission. The tape, if it was legit, was not an admission. It was an "oopsie, I got caught talking about it on videotape." Bin Laden did not hand the tape over to Al-Jazeera to have it aired. It was discovered during the Afghanistan invasion by a stroke of good luck. He has in fact denied involvement in the attacks. ![]()
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| Gideon524 | Jan 23 2008, 02:37 AM Post #18 |
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Oh, you didn't know?
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It's risky to call ALL the Bin Laden tapes phoney, but it is interesting that MSNBC even raised the question of the legitimacy of the most recent video released around the sixth anniversary. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21530470/ I'm not kidding. The day that aired on TV, I was in Oneonta, NY and the very first thing that came to mind was, "that looks a LOT like the one released in 2004." And sure enough, that's what this report suggests. |
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| arbor | Jan 23 2008, 12:56 PM Post #19 |
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Al Jazeera thinks its legit. Al Arabiya thinks its legit. CNN, MSNBC, BBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, all think the video is legit. Im sorry Gideon, but I have to say I take their judgemant on the authenticity of a video over yours. |
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| Lin Kuei | Jan 23 2008, 01:16 PM Post #20 |
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And what is a common theme among those entities you just listed? They are ALL in a position to be controlled. CNN, MSNBC, BBC, CBS, ABC and PBS try to suggest to me that Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan's lives are important to me and that I should vote for certain presidential candidates. ...would I take their 'judgment' over Gideon's if he told me news about Paris Hilton doesn't matter and that mainstream candidates can't deliver? An abstract analogy, yet very true. |
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| arbor | Jan 23 2008, 01:52 PM Post #21 |
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do the networks have opinions? yes. does that mean that their decision to accept the bin laden videos as legit. is somehow questionable? no. i mean, if you told me fox news and sky news were driven by ideology and compromised, i can accept that. but cnn, al jazeera, al arabiya, bbc, pbs?? give me a break. |
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| Lin Kuei | Jan 23 2008, 02:04 PM Post #22 |
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At the end of the day, arbor, powerful interests/entities own nearly all of it. The government of Qatar owns Al Jazeera. AOL owns CNN United Arab Emirates own Al Arabiya and let's face it - the (now) corporate heads of the all independent (HA!) BBC would not dare go against the grain of the rest of the maintream media empire... Would it? The others are self explanatory. Edited by Lin Kuei, Jan 23 2008, 02:05 PM.
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| Headspin | Feb 8 2008, 08:30 PM Post #23 |
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I saw the video, unfortunately he was speaking some form of arabic which i don't understand. I also saw the subtitles overlayed onto the tape by the pentagon translators. this is a quote from you recounting the events of the day from your perspective. "i was pretty sure the 1st tower was gonna collapse. seeing the thing lean made me really worried of that. and low and behold, it happened" if i wanted to fit you up for the crime, I would translate your quote to read: "I hoped the tower would collapse. I was really worried that it would just lean, but behold allah, it collapsed" have I mis-translated you? i could argue not. arbor - are you absolutely sure he confessed in that tape? or is it enough to put your faith in the TV news companies that are owned by the same people who make the bombs and weapons. Corporate news media wouldn't lie to you would they? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/080208Whistleblower.htm Edited by Headspin, Feb 8 2008, 08:35 PM.
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