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Sexist Signs?; Fox takes on the tough issues
Topic Started: Jul 17 2008, 04:17 AM (236 Views)
esopxe
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http://video.yahoo.com/watch/3105898/8831813

I don't know what's worse. The lady who is spearheading this or Fox for actually putting it on the air as news. Amazing what some people really worry about. :ouch:

This may be one of the only times that I would have to agree with Hannity and Colmes.

It was funny though when she accidentally zinged Sean Alan. :grin:
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This is absolutely something that should be on the news. That "men working" sign is totally outrageous. Just look at it, of all colors available they made it pink. PINK ffs... not all men are gay!!! They should be repainted yellow like the other sign was or some other more manly color.
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If you look up in Webster's dictionary, the first entry for man is:

1 a (1): an individual human;

In the case of manhole covers or man-eating sharks, man refers to a species, (i.e. human) and not a gender.

Feminists don't like the word "women", because it has the word "men" in it, so some of them spell it "womyn".

From a linguistics perspective, the word "man" is genderless, since it applies to both males and females, e.g. mankind.
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Jul 17 2008, 11:50 AM
If you look up in Webster's dictionary, the first entry for man is:

1 a (1): an individual human;

In the case of manhole covers or man-eating sharks, man refers to a species, (i.e. human) and not a gender.

Feminists don't like the word "women", because it has the word "men" in it, so some of them spell it "womyn".

From a linguistics perspective, the word "man" is genderless, since it applies to both males and females, e.g. mankind.
Good point. Yeah I find its quite a pointless debate. I'm still a guy so I know they won't listen to me, but man its really not that bad.
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I got an A in Gender Roles. This was a very weak and un-interesting piece. I love discussing gender issues, but I can't believe that woman was the public representative. She did not make a very strong case, nor did she pull very strong examples from our countries history enriched in bias. What would have been smarter is to have an actual professor of Woman's Studies give their opinion. First and foremost our use of gender biased language is much more of an issue than signs in an industry that is 90% male. This is more a joke to women than anything else. I feel disgraced as a person for having to actually comment on this in such a manner. My teacher, who was head of the woman's studies program for many years probably would have been mildly irritated at the lack of stimulating debate put into the issue considering there are soo many other battles to cover in terms of gender equality. This story should have been a classroom discussion. How does FOX even have time to cover such issues when there are soo many things happening on the political and global scale.

They should of had a piece on the statistics of women using the term guys when entering a discussion with a group of gender mixed people. It's our colloquialisms that that have a much more profound effect on our psyche than a sign that is obviously pointing at a bunch of men.

I actually have a female professor who got a Ph.D. in Fluid Mechanics who mentioned her gender biased professors last week, but even that was a much more interesting thing to hear than this story. In the construction world, everything is fairly butch. I will definitely bring this up to my professor tomorrow to see what she thinks about the issue and will report back. She is also an OSHA teacher, so she actually has spent time on sites as an OSHA representative for safety. I will report back with her opinion since it is directly related to this issue.
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Cynthia, blow it out your ass!

I taught myself to type from an ancient text book that didn't even know there was an electric version of the typewriter, from the days when only women were typists. Did I feel embarrassed or ignored becasue the manual referred to "she" without any mention of "he"?

In my first real job where I got to use a typewriter, we had a boss who didn't like the idea of a guy on a typewriter, but when I got rid of a 6-month backlog in three months, he had to shut his hole.

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Please -

Classification 1
Definition: The act of forming into a class or classes; a distibution into groups, as classes, orders, families, etc., according to some common relations or affinities.


could also argue for Man and Women to be a group ?

but please dont get technical on us. This is getting to nit picking.

- Sat 14 Jun 2008 08:37:32 Replies: 1, add

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Re: Sat 14 Jun 2008 08:37:32
Check a dictionary again man.

Nit is the egg of a louse or a trivial detail. In this case the difference between classification and category is not a trivial detail.

- Wed 25 Jun 2008 07:10:27 Replies: 1, 2, add

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Please - - Sat 14 Jun 2008 08:37:32
Well, it is nit-picking, but if you want nature's take on categorizing men and women, the X chromosome is two chains, that join in the middle and manage to look a little like the letter "X". The Y chromosome only has three arms, because one of those chains is only half the length, hence looking like the letter "Y".

The female has all the 'extra bits'. The fourth arm on the sex chromosome, the uterus, and statistically longer life expectancy. The default model is the male whose only "extra bits" are indelicately placed, and I would therefore suggest that the male is actually weaker sex, especially considering that male bodies are socially considered to be expendable: Wars (hey! if a woman wants to throw herself in front of a machine gun, I'm not getting in the way), "women and children first!", in rescue operations, etc.

Now, that gets smaller than the nit-picking, so does anyone else still want to argue the differences between the meansings of the words "classification" and "categorization"? If so, there are plenty of dictrionaries for personal research: Websters, Collins, Oxford and Macquarie just to name a few. I'm sure there's a Thesis or even a PhD in this little quibble.

The Professor - Wed 25 Jun 2008 09:50:47 Replies: add


For those interested, I am "The Professor". I have not included a link as this board is ephemeral, and the link will be dead in about a week, and the actual posts erased.
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http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2008/07/17/gender-inequity-in-science-why-legal-remedies-are-grossly-inadequate/


there is someone backing up my opinion of our bad manners and colloquialisms. I didn't get an opportunity to ask my professor, we had a test and I didn't much feel like adding random statements.
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