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BOMBS When 1st Plane Hit; video
Topic Started: Jun 22 2011, 08:50 AM (1,892 Views)
911conspiracyTV

A new compilation of evidence for explosions far below the impact of the first plane:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8PMLTmcng


Eugene Corley (FEMA Building Performance Assessment Team, BPAT) had it right in 2002 when he said the collapse initiation was core-led. Then came NIST with 16 million US taxpayer dollars to point us all in the wrong direction.

Proof that NIST was wrong in its WTC1 collapse initiation theory is spelled out simply and authoritatively at http://the911forum.freeforums.org ... To think that the official investigation into the North Tower failure FAILED is bad logic. Of course it succeeded, but not in telling the truth of actual cause and effect... Considering all the evidence, NIST LIED.

Jet fuel analysis: http://femr2.ucoz.com/forum/12-11-1
also: http://the911forum.freeforums.org/lobby-damage-by-falling-fuel-gas-liquid-non... = Not enough fuel spilled down.

Elevators: "There were 99 passenger elevators in each tower, arranged in three vertical zones to move occupants in stages to skylobbies on the 44th and 78th floors. These were arranged as express (generally larger cars that moved at higher speeds) and local elevators in an innovative system first introduced in WTC 1 and WTC 2. There were 8 express elevators from the concourse to the 44th floor and 10 express elevators from the concourse to the 78th floor as well as 24 local elevators per zone, which served groups of floors in those zones. There were seven freight elevators, only one of which served all floors." - NIST NCSTAR 1-1, p.50 ...

Here's a lie for you: "Cars 6 and 50 could have fallen all the way to the pit in the sub-basement level, and car 50 in WTC 1 was reported to have done so." -NIST NCSTAR1-7, p.160 ... Truth? Here: "The emergency brakes caught after 15 or 16 floors." - http://www.usatoday.com/life/sept11/2002-09-10-surivivor-griffiths_x.htm (See also http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0110/06/lklw.00.html : for ARTURO GRIFFITH, WTC SURVIVOR, freight car 50 elevator operator... who heard and felt multiple explosions -- video seen in collection for the first time after NIST FOIA release)
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911conspiracyTV

Read this, people:

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1701709/1/

Thanks, Miragememories and NK-44
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911conspiracyTV

Here's the old NK-44 post archived:
http://www.911conspiracy.tv/cache/Loose_Change_Forum_NK44_Elevators_Basement_Explosions.html

Very interesting is the well-documented fire and damage on floor 22, where the security command center was. Note the basement damage had caused evacuation of the command center in the basement (of WTC 2). These tactical support systems would have helped the firefighting effort... which would have extinguished the reason for the planned implosions.

(ON EDIT: fixed link)
Edited by 911conspiracyTV, Dec 22 2011, 09:47 PM.
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911conspiracyTV

I made a video compiling evidence from links above (and more) here:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvPHFbxnPM
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911conspiracyTV

Bump.
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roscoe



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc23nPsmP_Q


Edit by JFK : embed video
Edited by JFK, Mar 20 2014, 07:54 AM.
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JFK
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There is one thing not taken into account in the above video.

The speed of sound,
IMHO the crash happened at the moment of the glitch, but the sound took longer to reach the camera.
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911conspiracyTV

Strange I just happened to check this forum for the first time in a while.

I agree with JFK here, but I still wonder about the Ginny Carr audio.
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roscoe

JFK
Mar 20 2014, 07:57 AM
There is one thing not taken into account in the above video.

The speed of sound,
IMHO the crash happened at the moment of the glitch, but the sound took longer to reach the camera.
Well if you look at my comments on the youtube comments section you'll see this.

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This shot appears to be from half way down Park Row. Approx 550 meters direct from the BASE of the North Tower. The shock of the plane hitting would need to travel from the 92nd floor of the tower down 350 meters. So the shock wave would need to travel 900 meters in order to shake the camera through the ground. If you watch the woman in the blue grey top, she stops behind the man's leg when she hears the plane, slightly before the camera shake. the plane would pass on the North side only 450 meters from her position at its nearest point. Whilst it is true that a pressure wave would travel through a solid faster than air it is never twice as fast.
Edited by roscoe, Mar 22 2014, 10:19 AM.
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roscoe
Mar 22 2014, 10:15 AM
JFK
Mar 20 2014, 07:57 AM
There is one thing not taken into account in the above video.

The speed of sound,
IMHO the crash happened at the moment of the glitch, but the sound took longer to reach the camera.
Well if you look at my comments on the youtube comments section you'll see this.

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This shot appears to be from half way down Park Row. Approx 550 meters direct from the BASE of the North Tower. The shock of the plane hitting would need to travel from the 92nd floor of the tower down 350 meters. So the shock wave would need to travel 900 meters in order to shake the camera through the ground. If you watch the woman in the blue grey top, she stops behind the man's leg when she hears the plane, slightly before the camera shake. the plane would pass on the North side only 450 meters from her position at its nearest point. Whilst it is true that a pressure wave would travel through a solid faster than air it is never twice as fast.
My bad, I did not read the youtube comments. :$
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Michal

roscoe
Mar 22 2014, 10:15 AM
JFK
Mar 20 2014, 07:57 AM
There is one thing not taken into account in the above video.

The speed of sound,
IMHO the crash happened at the moment of the glitch, but the sound took longer to reach the camera.
Well if you look at my comments on the youtube comments section you'll see this.

Quote:
 
This shot appears to be from half way down Park Row. Approx 550 meters direct from the BASE of the North Tower. The shock of the plane hitting would need to travel from the 92nd floor of the tower down 350 meters. So the shock wave would need to travel 900 meters in order to shake the camera through the ground. If you watch the woman in the blue grey top, she stops behind the man's leg when she hears the plane, slightly before the camera shake. the plane would pass on the North side only 450 meters from her position at its nearest point. Whilst it is true that a pressure wave would travel through a solid faster than air it is never twice as fast.
Well, in the water the speed of sound is circa 5000 m/s ... so it is more then twice. I suspect that in the ground it will also be couple of thousands per second.

For comparison: the speed of sound in the air is circa 330 m/s.
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So this video backs up the testimony of many people in the lobby that claim there was an explosion that came from the basement...... So if the large vibration that came from the basement traveled twice as fast with less distance than the 92nd floor but form the basement instead that would mean it was at least a minute or more before the plane struck the tower.....
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911conspiracyTV

I wish that WNYW video of the 1st plane hit started 2-3 seconds earlier, so the 9-second difference of the TWO loud sounds in the Ginny Carr audio ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWhILIbVy0M ) could be compared, if perhaps there were a missed sound beforehand instead of after as suggested in Loose Change version 2. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMvPHFbxnPM#t=19m50s ... clip at 19:50)

Also I would like to point to the recently released (2011) Fairbanks audio which catches an eyewitness before the 2nd plane hit saying he heard TWO distinct explosions (at 4:40). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TaPvSoQL8w#t=4m34s
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I now think these explosions were in part crafted to reduce fatalities by speeding evacuation. Just like those who announced over a loudspeaker that people in WTC 2 could return to their desks, people in control downstairs in WTC 1 may have suggested to avoid panic and make a slow exodus. You know, finish your business in the mall (if only the windows of several stores weren't blown out and water leaking down everywhere). Take the train if you want (if only the PATH station weren't filled with smoke somehow). Finish your current task of construction labor, since this fire was 90 floors away and no danger at all (if only the explosions on B4 hadn't destroyed so much of the area!) Listen to the security officer's advice (if only communications weren't impaired by the impossible fire in the new 22nd floor security command center) in executing local firefighting using the standpipes and fire hoses in the stairwells (use of these was reported at least once I believe), but not many were sticking around when the command center under WTC 2 evacuated so early, along with the one in WTC 1 of course. The elevator crew wasn't interested in helping, perhaps after hearing how so many were blown up in the blast that burnt skin on so many in the lobby when the windows blew out there too. All through 2 elevator shafts, one which was occupied with 2 people who survived to tell about the multiple explosions.

The Pentagon attack was planned the same to save lives... See Minimizing Casualties on 9/11 - skip the Pentagon part at the beginning to read an extensive collection of reports inside the towers in those 102 minutes. Much thanks also to NK44 and others at this forum at the excellent "Attack on WTC 1" thread.

Check out also the911forum discussion... which stems from the first plane hit images from Wolfgang Staehle that depict an explosion, or expulsion of dust, from the mechanical equipment room at floors 75-76 (which had no windows, but only setbacks for ventilation).

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